Elizabeth Warren announces 2020 run

[pantsparty]

Dec 31, 2018 11:08:40 GMT -5 spearmintleaf said:

Dec 31, 2018 11:00:49 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Playing these sorts of games with electoral math is very dangerous though. There is a small group of people who will never vote for a woman. The group of reliable democratic voters that will never vote for a woman is smaller than that but there are surely some. But there’s no real way to measure that against the risk of losing out on the better candidate, the one people were excited about that would have gotten people out to the polls.

It’s a mistake to get too wrapped up in what we think voters will do or what they want because it’s nearly impossible to predict it accurately and there’s too many variables. Primary performance answers these questions for us way better than hypotheses about demographics do.

I live in a pretty liberal area and I just know so many people who didn’t vote for Clinton because she was a woman. Like, almost all the women I know who are over 60. And lots of the men too. And younger men. The double standard on private email use is a perfect example. If she does it, she shouldn’t be President. If Trump and his entire team do it, nobody cares. Or that she stayed with Bill. Of course if she were divorced that would be a no-no too. All of that is a slightly different version of not voting for her because she’s a woman.

I do agree that I should just vote as I see fit and not as a strategic move, and ultimately that is what I will end up doing because I can’t do anything else when it comes down to it. And I want a woman president so badly.

It’s just my fear talking. 8 years of Trump... I just can’t imagine where we will be by the end of that.

I think most of these are Clinton specific and not women specific.

Take heart, Trump has annihilated the "women are too emotional to be leaders" argument.

[pantsparty]

Dec 31, 2018 19:18:23 GMT -5 suburbanzookeeper said:

She's not my first fantasy choice but I'm happy she's throwing her hat in the ring, that was a great video to start with.

Honestly I have a number of acquaintances who pulled the "women aren't emotionally stable enough" to be POTUS and voted for Trump simply because of Hillary's lady parts. I think we've proven in the last two years that emotional stability isn't tied to having a uterus.

Anyone who used this argument isn't voting Democrat. And the Democratic party shouldn't be catering to fucking sexists on the off chance we MIGHT earn their vote.

[MrsAxilla]

Dec 31, 2018 23:00:31 GMT -5 pantsparty said:

Dec 31, 2018 19:18:23 GMT -5 suburbanzookeeper said:

She's not my first fantasy choice but I'm happy she's throwing her hat in the ring, that was a great video to start with.

Honestly I have a number of acquaintances who pulled the "women aren't emotionally stable enough" to be POTUS and voted for Trump simply because of Hillary's lady parts. I think we've proven in the last two years that emotional stability isn't tied to having a uterus.

Anyone who used this argument isn't voting Democrat. And the Democratic party shouldn't be catering to fucking sexists on the off chance we MIGHT earn their vote.

Literally had this argument with DH tonight. Fuck the patriarchy!

[miniroller]

Rachel Maddow’s interviewing Warren tomorrow night 🤘

[cville]

She's smart, qualified, progressive on many issues, has the best interests of the country at heart (granted, her perception of the best interests, but still), and is no older than several past presidents.

Good.

It's a far sight better to kick off 2020 exploration for the Democrats to have her looking than for us to find some milquetoast white dude who is purportedly more "electable" or some celebrity who thinks they can be the 45 of the left (stares daggers at Angelina Jolie).

[fernweh]

Jan 1, 2019 10:11:33 GMT -5 cville said:

She's smart, qualified, progressive on many issues, has the best interests of the country at heart (granted, her perception of the best interests, but still), and is no older than several past presidents.

Good.

It's a far sight better to kick off 2020 exploration for the Democrats to have her looking than for us to find some milquetoast white dude who is purportedly more "electable" or some celebrity who thinks they can be the 45 of the left (stares daggers at Angelina Jolie).

Dear God, is Angelina Jolie really thinking of running?! This shot has to stop.

[cville]

Jan 1, 2019 10:28:53 GMT -5 fernweh said:

Jan 1, 2019 10:11:33 GMT -5 cville said:

She's smart, qualified, progressive on many issues, has the best interests of the country at heart (granted, her perception of the best interests, but still), and is no older than several past presidents.

Good.

It's a far sight better to kick off 2020 exploration for the Democrats to have her looking than for us to find some milquetoast white dude who is purportedly more "electable" or some celebrity who thinks they can be the 45 of the left (stares daggers at Angelina Jolie).

Dear God, is Angelina Jolie really thinking of running?! This shot has to stop.

I mean, perhaps not seriously. But she won't "rule it out."

www.google.com/amp/s/news.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/9k47zv/president-interrupted-angelina-jolie-sounds-like-shes-pondering-a-2020-run

[MrsAxilla]

Jan 1, 2019 10:33:40 GMT -5 cville said:

Jan 1, 2019 10:28:53 GMT -5 fernweh said:

Dear God, is Angelina Jolie really thinking of running?! This shot has to stop.

I mean, perhaps not seriously. But she won't "rule it out."

www.google.com/amp/s/news.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/9k47zv/president-interrupted-angelina-jolie-sounds-like-shes-pondering-a-2020-run

I’m not ruling it out, either -lol.

[katieinthecity]

Ugh. He's not wrong.

Tweet:
Robby Mook
@robbymook

Last 24 hours shows Trump’s 2020 path to victory:

-Dem candidate releases video that explains her background, values, vision and policies-it never mentions Trump;
-Trump responds with childish insult;
-Media only covers insult.

All process, all on Trump’s terms. No Dem message.

[iamlaila]

Yes, the media have learned little since 2016. I suspect a number of candidates, like Warren, will come away with a new appreciation for what HRC went through. The Democratic candidates will exhaust themselves going from state to state with their message (in HRC's case, building bridges and not walls, economic/racial/social equality, protecting/expanding Obamacare, etc.), while pundits "concern troll" them with comments like, "why don't the Democrats just get a message? What is their policy agenda?" Meanwhile, the media will cover Trump's insults/tweets and whatever other made-up issue the GOP wants to hang around the neck of the Democratic candidates (in HRC's case, her emails; in Warren's case, likely the native American heritage "scandal").

[AJL]

She's not my first choice. I'd prefer a woman of color and I'm putting Kamala Harris at the top of my dream team.

I'm trying to move away from the question "should he/she run" and move towards "can she/he win". Because we need a candidate who can oust the incumbent. That's the bottom line for me.

[pantsparty]

This McSweeney's article nails it. Fuck these sexists when catering to them just doesn't matter.

www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-dont-hate-women-candidates-i-just-hated-hillary-and-coincidentally-im-starting-to-hate-elizabeth-warren

[downtoearth]

Jan 2, 2019 16:16:19 GMT -5 pantsparty said:

This McSweeney's article nails it. Fuck these sexists when catering to them just doesn't matter.

www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-dont-hate-women-candidates-i-just-hated-hillary-and-coincidentally-im-starting-to-hate-elizabeth-warren

I always tell my daughters they can be anything they want, so long as they don’t make other people feel uncomfortable. They can be as ambitious as they want, so long as they do it in an acceptable manner. They can reach for the stars, which you can see right up there on the ceiling painted to resemble a sky.

So bring it on, ladies! I’d love to see a female President. Just not Hillary Clinton. Or Elizabeth Warren. I am totally open to all other women leaders, but I have to admit that Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar are beginning to make me angry and I’m not sure why yet, but I know the reason will become clear soon, and I’m also wondering what they might look like if someone photoshopped their heads onto the bodies of prisoners and put them behind bars.

Reach for the stars, girls!

Satire that makes me want to cry and crawl under a rock at the same time...

[taratru]

Jan 2, 2019 16:16:19 GMT -5 pantsparty said:

This McSweeney's article nails it. Fuck these sexists when catering to them just doesn't matter.

www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-dont-hate-women-candidates-i-just-hated-hillary-and-coincidentally-im-starting-to-hate-elizabeth-warren

I wish this wouldn't be lost on the very people who should read it. It is perfect.

[imobviouslystaying]

I'm so thrilled we're going to spend the next election season blathering about people unable to win against Trump.

He nearly lost the presidency and has spent every moment of it since elected proving every end of days prediction uttered against him during the campaign.

If Trump wins a second term it will be because of the Dem campaign, not the candidate and because there are still more racists and xenophobes than American cares to acknowledge.

[wise_rita]

Jan 2, 2019 19:01:48 GMT -5 imobviouslystaying said:

If Trump wins a second term it will be because of the Dem campaign, not the candidate and because there are still more racists and xenophobes than American cares to acknowledge.

I feel like this is a contradictory statement.

If he wins a second term it's because there are more racists/xenophobes than America cares to acknowledge, not because of the Dem campaign.

[suburbanzookeeper]

Elizabeth Warren is on Rachel Maddow tonight! Definitely worth the watch.

[imobviouslystaying]

Jan 2, 2019 20:54:03 GMT -5 wise_rita said:

Jan 2, 2019 19:01:48 GMT -5 imobviouslystaying said:

If Trump wins a second term it will be because of the Dem campaign, not the candidate and because there are still more racists and xenophobes than American cares to acknowledge.

I feel like this is a contradictory statement.

If he wins a second term it's because there are more racists/xenophobes than America cares to acknowledge, not because of the Dem campaign.

Right because two things can't be true at the same time...

This also gets Dems off the hook for running damned nonsense.

The racists will vote for Trump. If Dems run a shit factory, non-racists will stay home.

[wise_rita]

Jan 3, 2019 5:28:04 GMT -5 imobviouslystaying said:

Jan 2, 2019 20:54:03 GMT -5 wise_rita said:

I feel like this is a contradictory statement.

If he wins a second term it's because there are more racists/xenophobes than America cares to acknowledge, not because of the Dem campaign.

Right because two things can't be true at the same time...

This also gets Dems off the hook for running damned nonsense.

The racists will vote for Trump. If Dems run a shit factory, non-racists will stay home.

Fair enough.

But if the Dems run a good campaign, with a good candidate, and all signs point to a win, and Trump still wins a second term...

[eddy]

EW picked up four prominent staffers in Iowa. According to a liberal dem blog this is a pretty big deal. Normally the four of them would be spread out across a couple campaigns.

[katieinthecity]

Jan 2, 2019 19:01:48 GMT -5 imobviouslystaying said:

I'm so thrilled we're going to spend the next election season blathering about people unable to win against Trump.

He nearly lost the presidency and has spent every moment of it since elected proving every end of days prediction uttered against him during the campaign.

If Trump wins a second term it will be because of the Dem campaign, not the candidate and because there are still more racists and xenophobes than American cares to acknowledge.

I saw a FB post yesterday that makes this point really well. We have GOT to keep our eyes on the prize. In 2020, the prize is defeating the cheeto. 

 

[eddy]

Also one of the staffers was a big wig on Bernard’s Iowa campaign. That brings me a good amount of glee. Even if EW isn’t my top choice. She poached from the old man.