This is such a tragic story. I know that just because it was an accident it doesn’t preclude blame or charges filed, but my heart breaks for this family. I’m surprised he was charged.
IDK, I'm typically against charging people with crimes when it comes to accidents. Obviously there are some preventable accidents where there should be a consequence (example: drunk driving) but so often it seems like it was a simple mistake that anyone could have made. This poor grandfather is already living with the guilt and grief from his terrible mistake. Why make things even worse for the family? Who is this going to protect?
IDK, I'm typically against charging people with crimes when it comes to accidents. Obviously there are some preventable accidents where there should be a consequence (example: drunk driving) but so often it seems like it was a simple mistake that anyone could have made. This poor grandfather is already living with the guilt and grief from his terrible mistake. Why make things even worse for the family? Who is this going to protect?
I agree. It seems like a huge waste of resources. The family doesn’t want him punished, there’s no redemption to be had. I think it’s odd that the cruise line hasn’t released the camera footage.
IDK, I'm typically against charging people with crimes when it comes to accidents. Obviously there are some preventable accidents where there should be a consequence (example: drunk driving) but so often it seems like it was a simple mistake that anyone could have made. This poor grandfather is already living with the guilt and grief from his terrible mistake. Why make things even worse for the family? Who is this going to protect?
I agree. It seems like a huge waste of resources. The family doesn’t want him punished, there’s no redemption to be had. I think it’s odd that the cruise line hasn’t released the camera footage.
My guess is that the footage probably shows that the cruise line is somehow at fault (left the window open, or whatever).
This is so tragic. I can’t imagine what that family is going through right now.
The family is suing the cruise line, so my guess is the cruise line pressured someone to pursue criminal charges so they can "pass the blame." It's the "we're not at fault...he did it" defense. Which is gross and reeks of big money buying their way out of trouble...
What the grandfather did is akin to dangling you kid off the roof of a 10 story building- the child’s death was foreseeable and the grandfathers actions were reckless.
Having been on that area of the ship i can say there is no way he couldn’t tell the window was open. The windows are deeply tinted. Like sunglasses.
Having been on that area of the ship i can say there is no way he couldn’t tell the window was open. The windows are deeply tinted. Like sunglasses.
This is what I was wondering. Also, the idea that they claim the cruise ship was at fault because a window was open- what's the next step? Entirely enclosed ships where there you can't open ANY windows?
This is a horribly tragic situation and clearly an accident. But - I do have questions and I wonder what the expectations really are around windows on ships.
The windows that open are also very far off the ground. Like as a nearly 6 foot tall person if I wanted to launch myself out of one I would have to find something to stand on. Now maybe someone who was super in shape could pull themselves over the railing and then through the window but Not accidentally.
The family is local to me and the reactions to the poor grandfather were just horrifying when the story first broke. I pray the family never reads the comments to the local news FB page.
But watch this video and look at the windows. They never say that its the same ones, but if this is what it is, then I can see how it could happen. It was obviously an accident. You can see how they might be at one set of windows, and then later move to another set and not really pay attention to putting the baby up on the railing.
The windows that open are also very far off the ground. Like as a nearly 6 foot tall person if I wanted to launch myself out of one I would have to find something to stand on. Now maybe someone who was super in shape could pull themselves over the railing and then through the window but Not accidentally.
Just to be clear, you're saying he intentionally killed her?
The windows that open are also very far off the ground. Like as a nearly 6 foot tall person if I wanted to launch myself out of one I would have to find something to stand on. Now maybe someone who was super in shape could pull themselves over the railing and then through the window but Not accidentally.
Just to be clear, you're saying he intentionally killed her?
No I’m saying that he dangled her out of an open window. It was a reckless homicide. Like when someone throws a rock off a highway overpass that kills someone driving below. He didn’t intend for her to die but his actions were reckless
I am genuinely confused by this reaction and haven’t met anyone who has been on a royal ship that feels this way.
Say I was staying in a hotel in Chicago on the 10th floor and I opened the window and held my kid out of it so she could get some Fresh air. She slipped out of my arms and fell. I can tell you as a criminal lawyer that would get charged where i practice as a crime. Reckless homicide.
The windows that open are also very far off the ground. Like as a nearly 6 foot tall person if I wanted to launch myself out of one I would have to find something to stand on. Now maybe someone who was super in shape could pull themselves over the railing and then through the window but Not accidentally.
Just to be clear, you're saying he intentionally killed her?
No I’m saying that he dangled her out of an open window. It was a reckless homicide. Like when someone throws a rock off a highway overpass that kills someone driving below. He didn’t intend for her to die but his actions were reckless
The tone of your posts are so unsympathetic and unemphatic - especially if you have been on that exact same cruise ship. Even the statement from the prosecutors who are charging the grandfather are clear that this was negligence and not intentional, and they actually have all the facts and presumably the footage. I think your statement is too much IMO.
Prosecutors allege that Anello "negligently exposed [his granddaughter] through one of the windows," according to a statement from the Puerto Rican Department of Justice.
I agree. It seems like a huge waste of resources. The family doesn’t want him punished, there’s no redemption to be had. I think it’s odd that the cruise line hasn’t released the camera footage.
My guess is that the footage probably shows that the cruise line is somehow at fault (left the window open, or whatever).
This is so tragic. I can’t imagine what that family is going through right now.
I suspect that the footage hasn’t been released because it’s now states evidence in an open criminal case prohibiting its distribution.
The windows that open are also very far off the ground. Like as a nearly 6 foot tall person if I wanted to launch myself out of one I would have to find something to stand on. Now maybe someone who was super in shape could pull themselves over the railing and then through the window but Not accidentally.
The tone of your posts are so unsympathetic and unemphatic - especially if you have been on that exact same cruise ship. Even the statement from the prosecutors who are charging the grandfather are clear that this was negligence and not intentional, and they actually have all the facts and presumably the footage. I think your statement is too much IMO.
Prosecutors allege that Anello "negligently exposed [his granddaughter] through one of the windows," according to a statement from the Puerto Rican Department of Justice.
I do expect adult people not to dangle children out of windows 10 stories in the air. It doesn’t seem that complicated to me.
I feel awful for the family and am so sorry that they suffered this tragedy.
I am genuinely confused by this reaction and haven’t met anyone who has been on a royal ship that feels this way.
Say I was staying in a hotel in Chicago on the 10th floor and I opened the window and held my kid out of it so she could get some Fresh air. She slipped out of my arms and fell. I can tell you as a criminal lawyer that would get charged where i practice as a crime. Reckless homicide.
Well, I have not read anything that says the grandfather dangled her from a window, to start.
The tone of your posts are so unsympathetic and unemphatic - especially if you have been on that exact same cruise ship. Even the statement from the prosecutors who are charging the grandfather are clear that this was negligence and not intentional, and they actually have all the facts and presumably the footage. I think your statement is too much IMO.
I do expect adult people not to dangle children out of windows 10 stories in the air. It doesn’t seem that complicated to me.
I feel awful for the family and am so sorry that they suffered this tragedy.
You don't sound like you feel awful and it sounds like you're a lawyer and know the difference between negligence and recklessness in charging. I think you're trying the family and the grandfather before the trial.
I am genuinely confused by this reaction and haven’t met anyone who has been on a royal ship that feels this way.
Say I was staying in a hotel in Chicago on the 10th floor and I opened the window and held my kid out of it so she could get some Fresh air. She slipped out of my arms and fell. I can tell you as a criminal lawyer that would get charged where i practice as a crime. Reckless homicide.
Well, I have not read anything that says the grandfather dangled her from a window, to start.
My understanding is that he lifted her up and sat her on the railing that runs along the windows and she lurched forward. The windows are dark so it clear when ones open or not. Having been on this ship multiple times with kids I would never do that and would get security if it saw someone doing that. Remember even docked the ship rocks. It can lurch suddenly. I can’t imagine how someone who was sober and or sound mind could lean their kid up over this area. It’s insane.
Well, I have not read anything that says the grandfather dangled her from a window, to start.
My understanding is that he lifted her up and sat her on the railing that runs along the windows and she lurched forward. The windows are dark so it clear when ones open or not. Having been on this ship multiple times with kids I would never do that and would get security if it saw someone doing that. Remember even docked the ship rocks. It can lurch suddenly. I can’t imagine how someone who was sober and or sound mind could lean their kid up over this area. It’s insane.
So, to recap, you read the same things about the incident that we all have but are making leaps in what you think happened, because you have been on a ship like it. Got it.
Just to be clear, you're saying he intentionally killed her?
No I’m saying that he dangled her out of an open window. It was a reckless homicide. Like when someone throws a rock off a highway overpass that kills someone driving below. He didn’t intend for her to die but his actions were reckless
But they are vehemently disputing the claim that he dangled her out of the window. And there is no proof that he did dangle her out of the window. So why are you latching on to that one piece of information? If there is no proof that that actually happened, which is the most likely scenario? That an otherwise loving and devoted grandfather (which everyone agrees to be the case), would carelessly dangle his granddaughter out of a window 10 stories up? Or that that same grandfather made a terrible mistake and didn't see that the window was open?
My understanding is that he lifted her up and sat her on the railing that runs along the windows and she lurched forward. The windows are dark so it clear when ones open or not. Having been on this ship multiple times with kids I would never do that and would get security if it saw someone doing that. Remember even docked the ship rocks. It can lurch suddenly. I can’t imagine how someone who was sober and or sound mind could lean their kid up over this area. It’s insane.
So, to recap, you read the same things about the incident that we all have but are making leaps in what you think happened, because you have been on a ship like it. Got it.
No i have been on that ship. I know the windows in that area are heavily tinted black. Like sunglasses. Because I have seen them.
There is no way he didn’t know that window was open. Nothing you can tell me could convince me otherwise.
I’m not sure how anyone can find a claim that he couldn’t tell a heavily window was open credible.
No I’m saying that he dangled her out of an open window. It was a reckless homicide. Like when someone throws a rock off a highway overpass that kills someone driving below. He didn’t intend for her to die but his actions were reckless
But they are vehemently disputing the claim that he dangled her out of the window. And there is no proof that he did dangle her out of the window. So why are you latching on to that one piece of information? If there is no proof that that actually happened, which is the most likely scenario? That an otherwise loving and devoted grandfather (which everyone agrees to be the case), would carelessly dangle his granddaughter out of a window 10 stories up? Or that that same grandfather made a terrible mistake and didn't see that the window was open?
But everyone on this thread is ignoring that the windows are heavily tinted. If you are sitting in a car with 100% tint and the window next to you is open can you not see the color difference? Can you not feel the air coming in through the open glass? These are not like house windows. They are special gray black glass. They are not clear.
The tone of your posts are so unsympathetic and unemphatic - especially if you have been on that exact same cruise ship. Even the statement from the prosecutors who are charging the grandfather are clear that this was negligence and not intentional, and they actually have all the facts and presumably the footage. I think your statement is too much IMO.
I do expect adult people not to dangle children out of windows 10 stories in the air. It doesn’t seem that complicated to me.
I feel awful for the family and am so sorry that they suffered this tragedy.
Are you talking about the same case? Did you read the article posted?
I do expect adult people not to dangle children out of windows 10 stories in the air. It doesn’t seem that complicated to me.
I feel awful for the family and am so sorry that they suffered this tragedy.
Are you talking about the same case? Did you read the article posted?
He didn’t dangle her out of a window.
Yes the grandfathers defense attorney says he didn’t dangle Her out the window. That’s a credible source.
The railing runs along the same support as the window. If he set her up onto the railing, it’s akin to setting her on the edge of the window. There is no space between the railing and the open window.
Post by aliciabella on Oct 29, 2019 14:06:59 GMT -5
As a defense attorney, sometimes accidents are just accidents, this charge doesn't make any sense. If there is any culpability, there is a civil issues but not criminal. Fuck this cruiseline.
Are you talking about the same case? Did you read the article posted?
He didn’t dangle her out of a window.
Yes the grandfathers defense attorney says he didn’t dangle Her out the window. That’s a credible source.
The railing runs along the same support as the window. If he set her up onto the railing, it’s akin to setting her on the edge of the window. There is no space between the railing and the open window.
There were glass windows everywhere which overlooked the boat. The grandfather picked her up so she can see be on the grandfather, imoout the windows. But there were no windows and she fell the fuck out. Which is awful. We can place blame but that blame shouldn't on the grandfather. I just can never imagine.
So, to recap, you read the same things about the incident that we all have but are making leaps in what you think happened, because you have been on a ship like it. Got it.
No i have been on that ship. I know the windows in that area are heavily tinted black. Like sunglasses. Because I have seen them.
There is no way he didn’t know that window was open. Nothing you can tell me could convince me otherwise.
I’m not sure how anyone can find a claim that he couldn’t tell a heavily window was open credible.
madringal posted a video that showed the actual room where it happened (unless they were recreating it? There was crime scene tape). I think your description of heavily tinted windows is incorrect. Maybe they are heavily tinted elsewhere, but they are clear in the video.
Now I agree they are not so crystal clear that you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, BUT we weren't there. Maybe he had her in another window first and turned around to speak to someone and wasn't looking when he put her there. Maybe he has poor eyesight and couldn't tell the difference. Maybe something else happened that I'm not imagining. People make decisions in split seconds and without full thought all the time, and occasionally there is a tragic and unexpected outcome. Of course he shouldn't have done this. In hindsight it's pretty clear to him, too. I really don't think this means he should be charged with a crime, though.