Doubtful, which is where I do think Pete does benefit. Elizabeth and Amy both benefit from their whiteness too, even though being a woman puts them at a disadvantage. It's not coincidence that everyone left in the race is white. I just think Pete is not exactly the same as all the other white men who have run before. He's breaking a glass ceiling that previously existed for an LGBTQ person. I guess it is frustrating that the first LGBTQ person to do that is a white male and I imagine it would still be hard for a woman, POC of either gender, or trans person to get this far... but I do think it's significant nonetheless.
It is significant. I love the visibility for LGBTQ people.
But I don't think he has the experience to lead or the ability to win. And, perhaps it's my (former?) love of politics or experience or whatever in my background that leads me to say this, but let me tell you Ivy league + military service + stable marriage + full head of hair + local government service is DIME A DOZEN. He's not unique. I am personal friends--not through politics--with no fewer than 5 white men who fit this description.
So I'm not impressed by it. I'd be impressed by a track record successful policies, a history of groundwork and coalition building, a victory in a statewide election even. He doesn't have that.
Eta: and if he got that experience and track record, I'd be happy to vote for him. His ideas are good. But right now he's the young version of Bernie--ideas only.
I should have kept reading so I could have just said THIS THIS THIS THIS.
I heard on MSNBC that the turnout in NH yesterday was higher than 2008. If that is accurate, Bernie winning by a small percentage point while #2 and 3 are moderates tells me that the revolution is dying.
I think it’s the opposite. It was way higher in 2008.
Looks like the raw number of voters will be higher but total turnout may be lower bc the population increased.
HRC only won NH by 3,000 votes, so I have no idea how the state will vote in November.
I heard on MSNBC that the turnout in NH yesterday was higher than 2008. If that is accurate, Bernie winning by a small percentage point while #2 and 3 are moderates tells me that the revolution is dying.
I think it’s the opposite. It was way higher in 2008.
In 2008, a record 288,000 people voted in the primary, which saw Sen. Hillary Clinton defeat Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John Edwards.
With 97% reporting as of 6:25 a.m. ET, the current New Hampshire vote tally stood at 283,440, which already surpassing the 250,000 people who voted in the 2016 New Hampshire Democratic primary.
In 2008, a record 288,000 people voted in the primary, which saw Sen. Hillary Clinton defeat Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John Edwards.
With 97% reporting as of 6:25 a.m. ET, the current New Hampshire vote tally stood at 283,440, which already surpassing the 250,000 people who voted in the 2016 New Hampshire Democratic primary.
I can’t find it now, but someone had posted awhile ago that Biden had strong support with black voters, and that’s giving me pause with regards to wishing he would drop out.
Agreed. I want to know who the black and brown voters on consolidating on. I will vote for that person.
I just feel sort of vaguely nauseous. I got my ballot last night and literally have no idea who to vote for. I'm fucking pissed that Harris and Castro are out.
Post by thelurkylulu on Feb 12, 2020 14:04:48 GMT -5
I think it’s very possible people like Pete because he is not someone who has been in Washington for 100 years. And let’s not forget our current disaster of a President was elected without any political experience.
I am a moderate and I am sick to death of basically all lifelong Washington politicians at this point. I don’t think I’m alone in that sentiment. I also have no idea who I am voting for in our primary.
So, Pete is not my first choice but I am a little curious why he is always glossed over as being nothing more than white male privilege. He has that, yes, but he's also gay, which means he hasn't benefited from being white and male the same way as most. I think having a gay man doing this well is actually pretty amazing. He is the same age as me, and we both are from the midwest, and I know he grew up in a world very different from what it is today where he probably was not loved and accepted by his peers and probably struggled a lot to find his place in the world (not that kids today necessarily have it easy, but 20+ years ago I witnessed first hand just how hard it was and I'm glad we've had a lot of progress there). To have a kid like that grow up to run for President and actually have a true shot at becoming the nominee - that's big, even if we aren't in love with him otherwise.
Because really at the end of the day his only claim to fame is being the mayor of a campus town smaller than the suburbs around me. He brings zero new things to the table.
I’m pretty sure it’s going to be Bernie. He does do better with POC this time around. He will probably eke out a narrow win in SC and NV and then it’s probably over. But he didn’t bring out the youth vote and he isn’t leading a GOTV Revolution...
Big sigh! I want to see actual hard evidence on how Bernie Sanders and Buttigieg do with POC and younger voters in NV and SC. There aren’t enough in IA/NH to do a good assessment.
I imagine some of the black voters in SC are reconsidering Biden in light of his poor results in NH/IA. Who wants to back someone who is likely to stop campaigning soon? But where do they throw their support?
I like Amy. I think she will start to take a beating that Warren took all summer/fall. She is unvetted especially by the misogynistic media. She will start getting torn down soon.
Which I don't think it is a terrible thing. We need to see how tough she is. But she probably will get more questions/concerns than any of the men have gotten thus far.
I actually do think she is a strong candidate. Maybe that is my bias as well because there has been a lot less hand wringing about her to date.
I am worried about her skeletons, but (perhaps naively) I am not worried about how tough she is. I see her withstanding the BS that is thrown at her and throwing it back. Maybe I am wrong, but leaving her other issues aside for this comment only, I think she is pretty tough.
This is a pretty weird comment.
All four women who were in this race are strong AF. The men remaining are all easily triggered. Go figure.
I’m pretty sure it’s going to be Bernie. He does do better with POC this time around. He will probably eke out a narrow win in SC and NV and then it’s probably over. But he didn’t bring out the youth vote and he isn’t leading a GOTV Revolution...
Big sigh! I want to see actual hard evidence on how Bernie Sanders and Buttigieg do with POC and younger voters in NV and SC. There aren’t enough in IA/NH to do a good assessment.
I imagine some of the black voters in SC are reconsidering Biden in light of his poor results in NH/IA. Who wants to back someone who is likely to stop campaigning soon? But where do they throw their support?
That data graphic really tracks with my gut feelings and I feel validated again lol. Warren can stay in for as long as she wants!
The biggest surprise (for me) is that Pete has attracted the non-voters. I assumed the HRC voters had splintered amongst the traditional Democrats in the race. If he’s going to attract the HRC cohort and non-voters then maybe I need to start accepting that. Ughhhhh.
I’m curious why there isn’t a Bloomberg slot on the right. Is he updating after every state?
That data graphic really tracks with my gut feelings and I feel validated again lol. Warren can stay in for as long as she wants!
The biggest surprise (for me) is that Pete has attracted the non-voters. I assumed the HRC voters had splintered amongst the traditional Democrats in the race. If he’s going to attract the HRC cohort and non-voters then maybe I need to start accepting that. Ughhhhh.
I’m curious why there isn’t a Bloomberg slot on the right. Is he updating after every state?
I think Bloomberg wasn’t on the ballot in New Hampshire.
That data graphic really tracks with my gut feelings and I feel validated again lol. Warren can stay in for as long as she wants!
The biggest surprise (for me) is that Pete has attracted the non-voters. I assumed the HRC voters had splintered amongst the traditional Democrats in the race. If he’s going to attract the HRC cohort and non-voters then maybe I need to start accepting that. Ughhhhh.
I’m curious why there isn’t a Bloomberg slot on the right. Is he updating after every state?
I think Bloomberg wasn’t on the ballot in New Hampshire.
He was on the ballet. I remember being like “wtf?! There are 20+ names on here?! Who are all these folks?!” And recognized like legit 7, one of which was Bloomberg.
I think it’s very possible people like Pete because he is not someone who has been in Washington for 100 years. And let’s not forget our current disaster of a President was elected without any political experience.
I am a moderate and I am sick to death of basically all lifelong Washington politicians at this point. I don’t think I’m alone in that sentiment. I also have no idea who I am voting for in our primary.
I think it's possible *white people* like Pete because he reminds them of the status quo. He reminds them they're not that bad, couldn't possibly be racist, and why can't everyone just get along?
I'm sure nobody cares, but my H (my barometer of moderately informed white male voters) asked if he could put up a Mayor Pete sign next to my Warren sign. I said sure, go donate to get one. I bet one never gets put up. He also said he supports Pete because Bloomberg is too far behind now after not showing in Iowa and NH.
ok just sent some donations to people that aren't old white men, it eases my anxiety. Unfortunately everyone I've donated to so far has dropped out so..
ok just sent some donations to people that aren't old white men, it eases my anxiety. Unfortunately everyone I've donated to so far has dropped out so..
I'm sure nobody cares, but my H (my barometer of moderately informed white male voters) asked if he could put up a Mayor Pete sign next to my Warren sign. I said sure, go donate to get one. I bet one never gets put up. He also said he supports Pete because Bloomberg is too far behind now after not showing in Iowa and NH.
My barometer H asked me who we’re voting for next month and I had to tell him I still don’t know.
I think Bloomberg wasn’t on the ballot in New Hampshire.
He was on the ballet. I remember being like “wtf?! There are 20+ names on here?! Who are all these folks?!” And recognized like legit 7, one of which was Bloomberg.
I don’t think he was on the ballot - despite there being tons of people on it. I’m pretty sure he won a VERY small district based on write in.