FBI Raid at Mar-A-Lago

[lea]

I was listening to Pod Save the World the other day and they mentioned it being curious that Trump had so many physical documents because a lot of what Obama was given (PDB and national security stuff included) was on iPads and would be erased automatically if not returned by a certain time. I know Trump probably demanded paper everything because he can’t get with the times but thought it was an interesting tidbit.

[timorousbeastie]

Rather than deny he had nuclear documents in his safe, TFG’s official response is “I hear Obama did the same thing!”

www.businessinsider.com/trump-doesnt-deny-taking-classified-nuclear-documents-mar-a-lago-2022-8?amp
“"President Barack Hussein Obama kept 33 million pages of documents, much of them classified," Trump said in the statement. "How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!"

Asked whether Trump's statement appeared to confirm that nuclear documents were uncovered in the Mar-a-Lago raid, one former DOJ official replied: "Sounds like it."“

[Velar Fricative]

Aug 12, 2022 13:19:34 GMT -5 mofongo said:

So, why didn’t he destroy them after he knew they wanted them/knew he had them?

Maybe he's being framed by his family or associates. DUN DUN DUN.

Or he's just stupid. 

[pixy0stix]

Aug 12, 2022 13:19:34 GMT -5 mofongo said:

So, why didn’t he destroy them after he knew they wanted them/knew he had them?

He didn't think they'd come get them. He thought the threat of violence would keep the law away.

[lea]

The 33 million documents is just another stupid right wing disinformation campaign. The Obama administration did transfer the docs to Chicago for the Presidential library - legally, through the national archives - to eventually be digitized.

www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/obama-white-house-records/index.html

[TR]

The Obama stuff he's talking about is all the stuff that was sent to Obama's Presidential Library. You know, the official archival way it should be. So. LOL to that.

[suzyp]

Aug 12, 2022 12:58:15 GMT -5 timorousbeastie said:

Rather than deny he had nuclear documents in his safe, TFG’s official response is “I hear Obama did the same thing!”

www.businessinsider.com/trump-doesnt-deny-taking-classified-nuclear-documents-mar-a-lago-2022-8?amp
“"President Barack Hussein Obama kept 33 million pages of documents, much of them classified," Trump said in the statement. "How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!"

Asked whether Trump's statement appeared to confirm that nuclear documents were uncovered in the Mar-a-Lago raid, one former DOJ official replied: "Sounds like it."“

National Archives already put out a statement that it was not true with some more information.

[rupertpenny]

LOL to Trump's narrative about Obama transferring his records to NARA as required by the Presidential Records Act. It isn't like any classified docs from the Obama White House just got scanned by just any archives tech just like the Christmas cards from the Queen or something.

[Velar Fricative]

Aug 12, 2022 13:30:18 GMT -5 TR said:

The Obama stuff he's talking about is all the stuff that was sent to Obama's Presidential Library. You know, the official archival way it should be. So. LOL to that.

I don't expect him to know how libraries work lol. 

[Velar Fricative]

Aug 12, 2022 14:08:22 GMT -5 rupertpenny said:

LOL to Trump's narrative about Obama transferring his records to NARA as required by the Presidential Records Act. It isn't like any classified docs from the Obama White House just got scanned by just any archives tech just like the Christmas cards from the Queen or something.

Yeah somehow I don't expect to see nuclear secrets exhibited there.

[suburbanzookeeper]

Breitbart has the documents including the warrant, what they were looking for, and the evidence receipt signed by his attorney. DOJ had planned on redacting the agents' names - unfortunately this release did not, so they've essentially doxed those agents. 

Non Puke News Source: www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-mar-lago-search-warrant-property-receipt-show-agents-found-trove-rcna42793

[jlt19]

Oh, so Trump says everything was declassified. Shows over folks, nothing to see here.

Also, can we go back to MAR? DD’s nickname is Mal, and I don’t want to cringe every time someone says it 😉

[pixy0stix]

Just when I think it couldn't get nuttier, it does.

[Velar Fricative]

Aug 12, 2022 14:32:26 GMT -5 jlt19 said:

Oh, so Trump says everything was declassified. 

[Velar Fricative]

I know we moved away from gifs on this board but if there was ever a thread for a bunch, it's this one.

[suburbanzookeeper]

Saving you from clicking on Breitbart:


"The first receipt lists out 28 numbered items, including some that have sub-headers. Some of the items are actually named like item number 1 which says it was an “Executive Grant of Clemency re: Roger Jason Stone, Jr.” or 1A which says it is “Info re: President of France.”

Others like item number 2 are less specific. That item says it is a “Leatherbound box of documents.” Item 2A says it contained “Various Classified/TS/SCI documents.

Item number 3 says it was a “potential presidential record,” and items numbers 5 and 6 both say they were a “binder of photos.”

Item number 7 says it was a “handwritten note,” and items 8, 9, and 10 were boxes labeled A-1, A-12, and A-15 respectively. Item 10A specifies that that item allegedly contained “Miscellaneous Secret Documents.”

The rest of the receipt document is similar and unspecific—explaining that several boxes, some allegedly containing various documents of various classifications—were among the rest of the items the FBI seized per this receipt."

"Attachment A to the warrant delineates where the agents can search and where they cannot at Mar-a-Lago. Specifically, it says that agents could search the “45 Office,” and “all storage rooms, and all other rooms or areas within the premises used or available to be used by” the former President of the United States [the document uses the abbreviation FPOTUS] “and his staff and in which boxes or documents could be stored, including all structures or buildings on the estate.” This attachment does however said agents are not authorized to search areas “currently (i.e., at the time of the search) being occupied, rented, or used by third parties (such as Mar-a-Lago members) and not otherwise used or available to be used by FPOTUS and his staff, such as private guest suites.”"

Remember, he's already turned things over through attorneys AND had a subpoena. This is what he chose *not* to share.

[pixy0stix]

There was a point where it was a big deal when they were looking at documents in a restaurant, and at the time the news talked about how "if Trump says it's declassified it is." So I can see how this strategy might work for him. Of course it's not legal, but does that matter to the general public anymore?

[litebright]

WaPo headline: "Event venues (like Trump’s Mar-a-Lago) are not good places to store nuclear secrets"

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/12/trump-fbi-search-nuclear-documents-mar-a-lago/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[suburbanzookeeper]

Judge unsealed the warrant:

[Velar Fricative]

The Macron documents are...interesting. Lest we forget, his recent opponent in his national election was Marine Le Pen. She has very close ties to Russia. Even though the election was recent and after Trump left the WH, she's been around the political scene in France for a really long time.

I'm going to be saying DUN DUN DUN to myself a lot for the next few days/weeks, I suspect.

[heat40]

It has been an incredible Friday! All lawyers who have been talking about this are saying it’s a big deal. And did I read correctly some of the stuff taken by the FBI included documents regarding the President of France?? Wtf?

[cous0226]

So will they charge him? What is next?

[pixy0stix]

NBC has a good breakdown of the "Trump declassified the documents" argument - www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-allies-say-declassified-mar-lago-documents-experts-say-unclear-w-rcna42311

[neverfstop]

I like this Axios list

The FBI found four sets of "top secret documents," three sets of "secret documents" and three sets of "confidential documents" — all of which the Justice Department argues are federal property, The Journal says.

The FBI seized roughly 20 boxes of materials in total, including binders, handwritten notes, the executive grant of clemency for Roger Stone, and information about the "President of France."
One set of documents was labeled "Various classified/TS/SCI documents," referring to top-secret and sensitive compartmented information.

[litebright]

PDQ.

For some context, my understanding is that SCI stuff is ...

[redheadbaker]

Aug 12, 2022 13:10:41 GMT -5 kellady said:

He "hears" this rumor - "word is"   JFC how do his supporters not even catch on what a dangerous liar he is! 

This has been his M.O. for a looooooooong time.

[TR]

Aug 12, 2022 15:52:38 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Aug 12, 2022 13:10:41 GMT -5 kellady said:

He "hears" this rumor - "word is"   JFC how do his supporters not even catch on what a dangerous liar he is! 

This has been his M.O. for a looooooooong time.

"Many people are saying..." :::eyeroll:::

[chickadee77]

I wonder who's going to take the fall for all of this. I have a hard time believing he actually will.

[pixy0stix]

National Archives have pushed back on the Obama claims - www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/12/trump-obama-national-archives/

[cous0226]

Am sure there is ketchup on some of them.