@@ September covid

[StrawberryBlondie]

New month, new thread. 😉

[seeyalater52]

From today’s ACIP presentation:

Tweet:

Text: Moderna's Miller says the company is studying boosters in kids 6 to 17 yo and expect to file to @us_FDA by the end of Sept. The study on children 6 months to 5 years is expected to be concluded by the end of the year.

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So for those keeping track of the older peds cohort 5/6-12 that means Moderna booster filing expected end of Sept, Pfizer booster filing, sometime in October. Guessing both will be approved in Oct, although not necessarily simultaneously depending on the submissions.

End of the year for <5 made me cry real tears. So incredibly frustrating to continue to have the littlest on a delay that keeps mixed age cohort families from being up to date on their vaccines at the same time. It also is very likely that most of our <5 kids will have to weather yet another omicron surge without an updated vaccine which is shitty.

[hermione]

Sept 1, 2022 12:33:21 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

From today’s ACIP presentation:

Tweet:

Text: Moderna's Miller says the company is studying boosters in kids 6 to 17 yo and expect to file to @us_FDA by the end of Sept. The study on children 6 months to 5 years is expected to be concluded by the end of the year.

——

So for those keeping track of the older peds cohort 5/6-12 that means Moderna booster filing expected end of Sept, Pfizer booster filing, sometime in October. Guessing both will be approved in Oct, although not necessarily simultaneously depending on the submissions.

End of the year for <5 made me cry real tears. So incredibly frustrating to continue to have the littlest on a delay that keeps mixed age cohort families from being up to date on their vaccines at the same time. It also is very likely that most of our <5 kids will have to weather yet another omicron surge without an updated vaccine which is shitty.

I’m not trying to minimize your valid feelings on this. I’m really curious - my colleague’s 18 month old just got her last dose this week and they didn’t delay starting once it was available. Given that, even if all ages were approved at the same time, wouldn’t the under 5s be waiting until at least the end of the year anyway because of time requirement between original series and boosters?

[seeyalater52]

Sept 1, 2022 13:09:55 GMT -5 hermione said:

Sept 1, 2022 12:33:21 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

From today’s ACIP presentation:

Tweet:

Text: Moderna's Miller says the company is studying boosters in kids 6 to 17 yo and expect to file to @us_FDA by the end of Sept. The study on children 6 months to 5 years is expected to be concluded by the end of the year.

——

So for those keeping track of the older peds cohort 5/6-12 that means Moderna booster filing expected end of Sept, Pfizer booster filing, sometime in October. Guessing both will be approved in Oct, although not necessarily simultaneously depending on the submissions.

End of the year for <5 made me cry real tears. So incredibly frustrating to continue to have the littlest on a delay that keeps mixed age cohort families from being up to date on their vaccines at the same time. It also is very likely that most of our <5 kids will have to weather yet another omicron surge without an updated vaccine which is shitty.

I’m not trying to minimize your valid feelings on this. I’m really curious - my colleague’s 18 month old just got her last dose this week and they didn’t delay starting once it was available. Given that, even if all ages were approved at the same time, wouldn’t the under 5s be waiting until at least the end of the year anyway because of time requirement between original series and boosters?

Not if the recommendation is a 2 month interval like it is for the 12+ age group.

Also keep in mind that those of us who vaccinated with Moderna when it was first approved are coming up on 2 months at the end of September. The FDA felt so strongly that the updated vaccine was needed that they a) set a very short interval for spacing and b) pulled authorization of the original boosters because of how much more effective the updated vaccine is against currently circulating variants. All of that combined makes this very frustrating, especially since cases are still extremely high and likely won’t dip all that much before the next surge. Leaving kids without the best protections available is bad for kids and for families, especially multigenerational families or those who have high risk family members.

Part of my frustration is that Moderna’s statement on this is a window into their decision-making on when to submit for EUA and with what data - which is informed by what signals the FDA and CDC are sending about the approval process. Saying today that they may wait until the ROVER trial concludes means it’s possible that they are being told that they’ll need complete trial phase data on BA1 before they’re able to move forward. If they continue this standard going forward this age group will always lag behind significantly which is not great for individual or public health.

ETA: there it is. Just saw another quote from the meeting that Moderna says the studies they’re doing now with children 5 & under are with BA.1 bivalent vaccine but they have been asked (presumably by regulators) to do it with BA4/5 vaccine and is looking at how to do this.

That’s what’s frustrating. Once again we are holding this age group to a different, more onerous approval process that introduces unnecessary delays for this single group of kids. The mice data is good enough. This is insanity. Not to mention total shades of the FDA-requested trial expansion from Jan 2022 that derailed the under 5 vaccine approval by months and months. This is very concerning, especially given how slow both manufacturers have been in being able to get their booster trials for this age group up and running.

[seeyalater52]

Even if they approved all under 12 vaccines in Oct it would give lead time prior to the worst of the upcoming surge while also keeping at least most kids clustered in the same timeframe for updated vaccines, and only about a month behind adults and kids 12+, which is much better than an approval that comes 4+ months after adult vaccines when they’re getting into the territory of waning effectiveness (we don’t know this for sure, but quite possible based on the trajectory of the current vaccines.)

Also remember there is a lag between the study being completed and the EUA prepared, submitted, and then approved. With study ending at the end of the year we are looking at potential approval sometime in Q1, and it will lag further if they have to adjust protocols and redesign the whole study for BA4/5 instead of 1.

[hermione]

Sept 1, 2022 13:28:52 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Sept 1, 2022 13:09:55 GMT -5 hermione said:

I’m not trying to minimize your valid feelings on this. I’m really curious - my colleague’s 18 month old just got her last dose this week and they didn’t delay starting once it was available. Given that, even if all ages were approved at the same time, wouldn’t the under 5s be waiting until at least the end of the year anyway because of time requirement between original series and boosters?

Not if the recommendation is a 2 month interval like it is for the 12+ age group.

Also keep in mind that those of us who vaccinated with Moderna when it was first approved are coming up on 2 months at the end of September. The FDA felt so strongly that the updated vaccine was needed that they a) set a very short interval for spacing and b) pulled authorization of the original boosters because of how much more effective the updated vaccine is against currently circulating variants. All of that combined makes this very frustrating, especially since cases are still extremely high and likely won’t dip all that much before the next surge. Leaving kids without the best protections available is bad for kids and for families, especially multigenerational families or those who have high risk family members.

Part of my frustration is that Moderna’s statement on this is a window into their decision-making on when to submit for EUA and with what data - which is informed by what signals the FDA and CDC are sending about the approval process. Saying today that they may wait until the ROVER trial concludes means it’s possible that they are being told that they’ll need complete trial phase data on BA1 before they’re able to move forward. If they continue this standard going forward this age group will always lag behind significantly which is not great for individual or public health.

ETA: there it is. Just saw another quote from the meeting that Moderna says the studies they’re doing now with children 5 & under are with BA.1 bivalent vaccine but they have been asked (presumably by regulators) to do it with BA4/5 vaccine and is looking at how to do this.

That’s what’s frustrating. Once again we are holding this age group to a different, more onerous approval process that introduces unnecessary delays for this single group of kids. The mice data is good enough. This is insanity. Not to mention total shades of the FDA-requested trial expansion from Jan 2022 that derailed the under 5 vaccine approval by months and months. This is very concerning, especially given how slow both manufacturers have been in being able to get their booster trials for this age group up and running.

Thanks for explaining. I didn't know most of this.

[seeyalater52]

Sept 1, 2022 15:00:35 GMT -5 hermione said:

Sept 1, 2022 13:28:52 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Not if the recommendation is a 2 month interval like it is for the 12+ age group.

Also keep in mind that those of us who vaccinated with Moderna when it was first approved are coming up on 2 months at the end of September. The FDA felt so strongly that the updated vaccine was needed that they a) set a very short interval for spacing and b) pulled authorization of the original boosters because of how much more effective the updated vaccine is against currently circulating variants. All of that combined makes this very frustrating, especially since cases are still extremely high and likely won’t dip all that much before the next surge. Leaving kids without the best protections available is bad for kids and for families, especially multigenerational families or those who have high risk family members.

Part of my frustration is that Moderna’s statement on this is a window into their decision-making on when to submit for EUA and with what data - which is informed by what signals the FDA and CDC are sending about the approval process. Saying today that they may wait until the ROVER trial concludes means it’s possible that they are being told that they’ll need complete trial phase data on BA1 before they’re able to move forward. If they continue this standard going forward this age group will always lag behind significantly which is not great for individual or public health.

ETA: there it is. Just saw another quote from the meeting that Moderna says the studies they’re doing now with children 5 & under are with BA.1 bivalent vaccine but they have been asked (presumably by regulators) to do it with BA4/5 vaccine and is looking at how to do this.

That’s what’s frustrating. Once again we are holding this age group to a different, more onerous approval process that introduces unnecessary delays for this single group of kids. The mice data is good enough. This is insanity. Not to mention total shades of the FDA-requested trial expansion from Jan 2022 that derailed the under 5 vaccine approval by months and months. This is very concerning, especially given how slow both manufacturers have been in being able to get their booster trials for this age group up and running.

Thanks for explaining. I didn't know most of this.

Of course. It was a good question and my frustration isn’t at all at you. Obviously most people aren’t following every crumb of info and I don't recommend it as it is the worst hobby ever. 😉

[aprilsails]

Meanwhile, in Canada…

OG boosters were just approved for 5-12 in Ontario. Appointments booking starting this morning. I will get my kid in there and get her a shot of whatever is available since we don’t have any sort of timeline for getting BA.4/5 boosters here. Her last shot was in January so we’re just absolutely lucky that she didn’t catch the Omicron wave this summer. Not willing to risk it going into the fall. Ontario has basically dropped all Covid protection in schools. They are not even mandating the 5 days after positive test anymore and just saying that parents will do the right thing. Sure Jan.

DS(2) has had his first dose of the two dose Moderna series. Still can’t book his second shot for reasons unknown. I try to get in and book an appointment every Monday.

I’m debating whether to get my OG booster or wait for the BA.4/5 for myself. I have a major travel event at the end of October. I figure I will wait until October 10th and then book the appointment.

[heygrey]

aprilsails, I got the notification last night for BC! But their website for booking was down for planned maintenance until 4am. When I logged in this morning there are no clinics available in my city. Not just no appointments, no clinics! The closest option is over an hour away and not until mid-September. At this point we're just going to wait for something to open up closer.

[aprilsails]

Sept 2, 2022 9:56:11 GMT -5 heygrey said:

aprilsails, I got the notification last night for BC! But their website for booking was down for planned maintenance until 4am. When I logged in this morning there are no clinics available in my city. Not just no appointments, no clinics! The closest option is over an hour away and not until mid-September. At this point we're just going to wait for something to open up closer.

That sucks. We were able to book DD for September 17th. That’s not too far out. Now we will see if we can convince her to wear a mask full time until the end of September.

[ssmjlm]

E was boosted in May/June as soon as it was available because we had plane travel coming up.

I guess I'll see what they say about the new booster and determine when to schedule her.

[Velar Fricative]

Sept 6, 2022 13:00:13 GMT -5 ssmjlm said:

E was boosted in May/June as soon as it was available because we had plane travel coming up.

I guess I'll see what they say about the new booster and determine when to schedule her.

Same here. DD1 got it in June when DD2 got her first dose. In hindsight, I guess it would have been better to wait until about now but what's done is done. Hopefully this means she can just get the bivalent booster asap once it's available for her age group. 

[hermione]

Sept 6, 2022 13:23:50 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Sept 6, 2022 13:00:13 GMT -5 ssmjlm said:

E was boosted in May/June as soon as it was available because we had plane travel coming up.

I guess I'll see what they say about the new booster and determine when to schedule her.

Same here. DD1 got it in June when DD2 got her first dose. In hindsight, I guess it would have been better to wait until about now but what's done is done. Hopefully this means she can just get the bivalent booster asap once it's available for her age group. 

Same - C got boosted in late May bc we were going to see family with a newborn. I assumed a 5 month wait for any new booster which would be October - which is good timing for the holidays.

[aprilsails]

Well, we didn’t make it to our booster appointments. DS’s daycare operator went down over the weekend and got the positive result yesterday, about one hour before he started in with diarrhea.

Ahhhhhhhh.

Meanwhile, DH has a severe man cold from his guys weekend. We don’t expect that is CoVID since patient zero didn’t test positive. My nose is running off the hook but it’s peak allergy season for me so my baseline is just constant misery.

DD seems ok so far and we’re keeping her separate from DS. I slept with him over the weekend while we were camping so my hope of escaping this is resting squarely on the vaccine working. Maybe having horrific allergies will work to my advantage since I’m already blowing my nose 30 times a day and using the Netipot. I feel like anything that tried o get a foothold in my sinuses would be swept away already.

[picksthemusic]

The kids have been boosted since it came out for their age group. We start school today, so they will be going in KN95s since masking is optional in our district.

Hoping the booster they got still has enough protection for them for our upcoming trip.

[seeyalater52]

This is a whiny personal covid post, you’ve been warned.

My baby’s second birthday party is on Saturday. This morning my sister’s family tested positive for covid. My niece started preschool this week and my BIL is a teacher at the same school. They lasted three days before getting covid. I feel awful for them but also really sad for us. I know 2 year olds don’t care about their birthdays but this is 1/3 of the people we invited to our small outdoor party, there’s no feasible way to cancel and reschedule, and I’m so in my feelings about it all. Fuck covid.

[sillygoosegirl]

Oh FFS, DD is positive again. After having COVID less than a month ago, and her booster shot ~10 days before that.

We weren't terribly cautious after all 3 of us recovered from COVID last month (as in, we ate inside restaurants and on airplanes for the first time since before the pandemic, since we figured we were as safe as we'd ever be). I really didn't think we'd get re-infected so soon and almost didn't restart our routine weekly well-testing. DD was asymptomatic last month and so far is asymptomatic again. Knock on wood. It'll be interesting to see if DH and I catch it from her. We're negative so far. It's possible DD's positive last month was false... it was faint, only one test of hers ever came back positive, and there could have been cross contamination from DH's and my multiply-confirmed COVID. But anyway, ugh.

[seeyalater52]

Sept 8, 2022 14:06:04 GMT -5 sillygoosegirl said:

Oh FFS, DD is positive again. After having COVID less than a month ago, and her booster shot ~10 days before that.

We weren't terribly cautious after all 3 of us recovered from COVID last month (as in, we ate inside restaurants and on airplanes for the first time since before the pandemic, since we figured we were as safe as we'd ever be). I really didn't think we'd get re-infected so soon and almost didn't restart our routine weekly well-testing. DD was asymptomatic last month and so far is asymptomatic again. Knock on wood. It'll be interesting to see if DH and I catch it from her. We're negative so far. It's possible DD's positive last month was false... it was faint, only one test of hers ever came back positive, and there could have been cross contamination from DH's and my multiply-confirmed COVID. But anyway, ugh.

I’m so sorry. That is so frustrating to be dealing with covid again so soon.

[curbsideprophet]

Sept 8, 2022 14:06:04 GMT -5 sillygoosegirl said:

Oh FFS, DD is positive again. After having COVID less than a month ago, and her booster shot ~10 days before that.

I’m so sorry.

[Bad Dingo]

Ugh I'm so sick from Covid right now. I rented an AirBnB for siblings's bday and they came with "bad allergies" after working with their Covid+ coworker. I'm not bitter but I really wish it hadn't happened.

Luckily only 1 other of the 9 attendees are positive.

It's been rough keeping DD safe (KN95s all the time except when we are alone in our rooms, windows open, etc.). Husband is travelling for work so dragging myself out of bed 2x a day for the hour drive for school is exhausting. I may have cried while snotting/hacking into my mask this morning.

/whining

[timorousbeastie]

I know I heard that loss of taste isn’t as common with omicron, but has anyone heard of an altered or bad taste with it? After just 5 days of being at school over the last 2 weeks, DD has managed to pick up something nasty. She is acting pretty much exactly how she did when she had the flu earlier this year - sore throat, congestion, threw up, tired, just overall looking miserable. The only weird thing is she keeps complaining that everything tastes like lemons or just really sour. Even when she isn’t trying to eat anything, she still says her mouth tastes sour (and that started yesterday, before the throwing up which started today, so I don’t think it’s just leftover nastiness from that). She has tested negative for COVID twice on rapid tests, but I plan to keep testing her for a few days to make sure.

(Side note: while I certainly don’t want her to have COVID, if she winds up giving me the flu for the second time in less than 6 months, I am not going to be happy! Especially when I could have gotten a flu shot when I got my COVID booster last week, but didn’t, since I wanted to wait until a little later in the season.)

[sillygoosegirl]

OMG, my parents are now pressuring me to take my COVID+ kid to their house to visit them and my antivax cousin and her children. They probably feel like that would be pretty safe because they had COVID 3 and 4 months ago. Yeah, that should really help with this strain that reinfected DD 24 days after her prior inital positive (and yes, she had negative tests in between).

Are we entering the phase of the pandemic where we all just have COVID all the time? Ugh.

[imimahoney]

My kids tested positive on July 20th-22nd. They tested positive for 6 consecutive days.

Does anyone know if can they get boosted 90 days from when they first test positive or stop testing positive?

[wanderingback]

Sept 10, 2022 11:13:14 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

My kids tested positive on July 20th-22nd. They tested positive for 6 consecutive days.

Does anyone know if can they get boosted 90 days from when they first test positive or stop testing positive?

In regards to getting vaccinated after covid, you can get it as long as you’re fever free. So they are fine to get a booster whenever, they could get it the day after they have a positive Covid test per cdc guidelines.

If they’ve had a booster within the past 2 months, they have to wait until 2 months have passed.

On the cdc there is an algorithm of when one is eligible for a booster, you can input ages and what primary séries vaccine someone got- www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html?s_cid=11737:cdc%20covid%20booster%20shot%20guidelines:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY22

[charlatti]

Sept 10, 2022 13:13:01 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

Sept 10, 2022 11:13:14 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

My kids tested positive on July 20th-22nd. They tested positive for 6 consecutive days.

Does anyone know if can they get boosted 90 days from when they first test positive or stop testing positive?

In regards to getting vaccinated after covid, you can get it as long as you’re fever free. So they are fine to get a booster whenever, they could get it the day after they have a positive Covid test per cdc guidelines.

If they’ve had a booster within the past 2 months, they have to wait until 2 months have passed.

On the cdc there is an algorithm of when one is eligible for a booster, you can input ages and what primary séries vaccine someone got- www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html?s_cid=11737:cdc%20covid%20booster%20shot%20guidelines:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY22

I thought the recommendation with the bivalent boosters was to wait a few months after an infection? We’ve joined the club of being positive right now after avoiding it for 2.5 years, so I’m also trying to figure out booster scheduling.

ETA: looks like CDC recommends three months after an infection. www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/interim-considerations-us.html#infection

[seeyalater52]

Sept 10, 2022 14:41:09 GMT -5 charlatti said:

Sept 10, 2022 13:13:01 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

In regards to getting vaccinated after covid, you can get it as long as you’re fever free. So they are fine to get a booster whenever, they could get it the day after they have a positive Covid test per cdc guidelines.

If they’ve had a booster within the past 2 months, they have to wait until 2 months have passed.

On the cdc there is an algorithm of when one is eligible for a booster, you can input ages and what primary séries vaccine someone got- www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html?s_cid=11737:cdc%20covid%20booster%20shot%20guidelines:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY22

I thought the recommendation with the bivalent boosters was to wait a few months after an infection? We’ve joined the club of being positive right now after avoiding it for 2.5 years, so I’m also trying to figure out booster scheduling.

There may be some benefit to spacing longer than 2 months after infection but the evidence isn’t that strong, doesn’t necessarily account for newer variants or how quickly the virus is mutating currently and you also need to consider your family’s other risk factors like exposure level through school/daycare/work etc. What Wandering posted is the CDC’s official guidance. They also say you “may” wait 90 days post infection but that recommendation hasn’t been updated since the start of covid and it isn’t necessarily based on much.

ETA: it’s important to note that “may wait” is not a recommendation to wait 90 days post infection. The recommendation is to get the vaccine once symptoms clear and you’re out of quarantine.

[charlatti]

seeyalater52 , where does the 90 days come from?  Ok, that’s apparently Covid brain fog. I do actually understand that 90 days = 3 months. Sorry.


I see this on the CDC site:
 
“In addition, people who recently had SARS-CoV-2 infection may consider delaying a primary series dose or booster dose by 3 months from symptom onset or positive test (if infection was asymptomatic). Studies have shown that increased time between infection and vaccination may result in an improved immune response to vaccination. Also, a low risk of reinfection has been observed in the weeks to months following infection. Individual factors such as risk of COVID-19 severe disease, COVID-19 community level, or characteristics of the predominant SARS-CoV-2 strain should be taken into account when determining whether to delay getting a COVID-19 vaccination after infection.”

[seeyalater52]

Sept 10, 2022 15:03:26 GMT -5 charlatti said:

seeyalater52 , where does the 90 days come from?  Ok, that’s apparently Covid brain fog. I do actually understand that 90 days = 3 months. Sorry.


I see this on the CDC site:
 
“In addition, people who recently had SARS-CoV-2 infection may consider delaying a primary series dose or booster dose by 3 months from symptom onset or positive test (if infection was asymptomatic). Studies have shown that increased time between infection and vaccination may result in an improved immune response to vaccination. Also, a low risk of reinfection has been observed in the weeks to months following infection. Individual factors such as risk of COVID-19 severe disease, COVID-19 community level, or characteristics of the predominant SARS-CoV-2 strain should be taken into account when determining whether to delay getting a COVID-19 vaccination after infection.”

They haven’t updated the low risk of reinfection part since… the start of covid. That is no longer true. But there is some evidence that greater than 2 months could be warranted. It really depends on how quickly the next variant emerges and how much risk you want to take in the meantime of having a reinfection. I don't think there’s a right answer necessarily but did want to answer your question and clarify which part is actually the recommendation.

[wanderingback]

Sept 10, 2022 14:41:09 GMT -5 charlatti said:

Sept 10, 2022 13:13:01 GMT -5 wanderingback said:

In regards to getting vaccinated after covid, you can get it as long as you’re fever free. So they are fine to get a booster whenever, they could get it the day after they have a positive Covid test per cdc guidelines.

If they’ve had a booster within the past 2 months, they have to wait until 2 months have passed.

On the cdc there is an algorithm of when one is eligible for a booster, you can input ages and what primary séries vaccine someone got- www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/stay-up-to-date.html?s_cid=11737:cdc%20covid%20booster%20shot%20guidelines:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY22

I thought the recommendation with the bivalent boosters was to wait a few months after an infection? We’ve joined the club of being positive right now after avoiding it for 2.5 years, so I’m also trying to figure out booster scheduling.

ETA: looks like CDC recommends three months after an infection. www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/interim-considerations-us.html#infection

The cdc says you may consider waiting for 3 months, but it’s not contraindicated to get it before. When you go for your vaccine they should not turn you away if you have had Covid within the past 3 months and it’s not one of the questions that we ask before administering the vaccine.

[tripleshot]

DS is 17 and got the Pfizer bivalvent booster Saturday. It’s his 4th shot. He had no symptoms other than a sore arm.