@@ September covid

[dulcemariamar]

Sept 20, 2022 11:42:42 GMT -5 krystee said:

Reinfection and long-term effects are worrying me too because my son has it for the second time and it is so much worse than the first time three months ago. I haven’t slept in four days because I’m trying to keep 104 fevers down and I’m listening to his cough to make sure he’s breathing okay. A friend I know (who is fully vaccinated and boosted) has it for the third time this year, so every three months seems to be a thing.

I am so sorry. Has he had 4 days of fever? That must be so unbelievably stressful

[krystee]

dulcemariamar he is fever-free during the days, but every single overnight has gone up to 104 or just under. And his chest and stomach feel like they are on fire. The first night it came down prettty quickly, but every night since it has taken more effort. I gave him Tylenol and Motrin almost back to back (40 minutes) because I was so desperate for his little chest to not be steaming hot. Popsicles, cool baths, etc.

Now his coughing is really terrible (he has burst blood vessels in his eyes from coughing), and I’m thinking of taking him in for an X-ray so I can have peace of mind and MAYBE get a tiny bit of sleep on the fifth night tonight.

Why is it so much worse than the first time when we have antibodies from previous infection AND a vaccine?! Ugh.

[Velar Fricative]

krystee my 7yo nephew had it worse the second time too. He is not vaccinated (his asshole dad won’t allow it) and has an autoimmune disorder, so it was really worrisome because we assumed at least he had the antibodies from the first (very mild) infection just 5 months prior. Fortunately after several days of symptoms and visits to the doc to help with some symptoms, he got better with no residual effects.

Those fevers must be so scary though, I hope he turns a corner quickly!

[noodleoo]

krystee , have you been to the pedi to check out the fever? My DD2 got very sick last winter and she had super high fevers for a week. We kept in contact with the pedi and they had us come in to check her out every few days. They did a chest X-ray too to check for pneumonia on day 6 or so (it was clear). It wasn’t Covid or flu, just a nasty unidentified virus (we think anyway). It took a full 7 days for the fever to break. It was terrifying, so I know what you’re going through and I sympathize. It is so scary to watch your tiny kiddo struggle. Mine was 3 at the time, poor babies.

Anyway, I’d definitely call and have kiddo checked out if they recommend it. My pedi told me they want to see a child in person anytime a high fever lasts more than a few days. They weren’t able to actually do anything, but it did give me peace of mind to know they were monitoring it and they took it very seriously.

[underwaterrhymes]

I’m so sorry, seeyalater52 and krystee.

[krystee]

noodleoo I called and they very unhelpfully said, “That’s a common Covid symptom and you know he has Covid, so no point in bringing him in!”

[noodleoo]

Sept 20, 2022 18:14:51 GMT -5 krystee said:

noodleoo I called and they very unhelpfully said, “That’s a common Covid symptom and you know he has Covid, so no point in bringing him in!”

Ugh, that sucks. 🙁 Maybe they treated my DD2 differently because they didn’t know what she had. 104 is such a high fever for a kid! I hope it breaks soon for you guys. 🤞 

[dulcemariamar]

Sept 20, 2022 18:14:51 GMT -5 krystee said:

noodleoo I called and they very unhelpfully said, “That’s a common Covid symptom and you know he has Covid, so no point in bringing him in!”

I would definitely have him checked out if he is coughing that much.

Sorry about the response from his doctor. It definitely sounds like he is having more trouble this go around and they should have him come in to be seen

[hermione]

Sept 20, 2022 13:58:36 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Sept 19, 2022 14:32:26 GMT -5 wesleycrusher said:

Thanks for the details! I figured if they'd be able to get it they'd be cutting it close.  

Here’s some reporting on Twitter that references the most concrete info we have seen on a 5-11 booster so far (mid-late Oct from the CDC guide.)

At least it feels like good timing for the holidays. I wonder if we will ever get to the point where all age group's boosters will be available at the same time.

[seeyalater52]

Sept 21, 2022 13:02:19 GMT -5 hermione said:

Sept 20, 2022 13:58:36 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Here’s some reporting on Twitter that references the most concrete info we have seen on a 5-11 booster so far (mid-late Oct from the CDC guide.)

At least it feels like good timing for the holidays. I wonder if we will ever get to the point where all age group's boosters will be available at the same time.

Indeed. And I’m apoplectic that <5 is likely going to be delayed into the new year, well past the height of the next predicted surge. It’s like every single time those kids draw the short straw.

I am truly glad there is hope on the horizon for the 5-11 boosters though, kids in that age bracket have been hanging out way too long without an updated booster given when they could get the primary series and initial boosters.

[krystee]

We had the cough checked and it was okay, and we went a whole night fever free! He actually tested negative today too, which is five days sooner than he tested negative last time (5 vs. 10). Seems weird since he still has symptoms, but I’ll take it!

[seeyalater52]

Oh gosh he’s so sick. I really hope today is the worst of it. We ended up getting a PCR yesterday bc his second day RAT was negative, repeat test the same morning was so light only I could see it (my wife couldn’t) and honestly if I wasn’t an infertility veteran I’d have called it negative. He is way sicker than both times he had RSV and the one time he had flu, but even knowing that the RATs aren’t entirely quantitative I suspect that most of his symptoms are due to fighting off the infection through his vaccine antibodies vs actual viral load, which is likely quite low. He’s so miserable though and we are all dying of boredom and it’s pouring so we can’t even go outside in the yard.

krystee that is likely the reason your son cleared this infection more quickly post-vaccine, and may possibly be why he had a heightened reaction. The priming from an initial vaccine or infection can sometimes cause a bigger immune response (which in simple terms is why the second and subsequent covid vaccine typically have more symptoms.)

[noodleoo]

seeyalater52, oh, I'm so sorry. I hope J is on the other side soon. It is so hard to watch our little kiddos suffer and not be able to do anything about it. My 4 year old is sick too (random virus, not Covid, she already had that before she could get vaxxed ) and it sucks so much.

[seeyalater52]

Sept 22, 2022 11:03:31 GMT -5 noodleoo said:

seeyalater52, oh, I'm so sorry. I hope J is on the other side soon. It is so hard to watch our little kiddos suffer and not be able to do anything about it. My 4 year old is sick too (random virus, not Covid, she already had that before she could get vaxxed ) and it sucks so much.

I’m so sorry your little one is sick too. It’s awful. He’s been sick a lot (like… every 2 weeks to a month since starting daycare 1.5 years ago) but never with covid. I thought I’d gotten used to it but my covid anxiety is out of control right now.

[krystee]

seeyalater52 that makes so much sense, thanks! Also explains why we didn’t catch it from him. His positive tests were also so light that we could barely see them. I’m glad the vaccine actually did help, even though it seemed on the surface like it was worse!

[seeyalater52]

So, uh, I feel super dumb but apparently J doesn’t have covid. His PCR from yesterday came back negative and both the ped and public health say to treat that as accurate and the initial rapid positive as a false positive.

Summary/recap: Toddler tested very light positive on a RAT on Tues. & had one negative & one even extreeeemely lighter positive on 2 more RAT Wed. Took him for a PCR Wed. & it resulted negative. The two light positive RATs were different batches.

This feels so weird. I feel kind of dumb but also very relieved. The ped did not want to test him initially and I completely understand that they don’t want to expose their staff to Covid unnecessarily, but I’m glad we pushed them to do the test once the second day of tests was inconclusive. Rapid false positives are still pretty rare but a good reminder that if it doesn’t seem right to you it may not be right. It was easy to believe it was Covid in this case be user obviously J has a virus and is pretty sick with what are very similar symptoms to Covid.

[Velar Fricative]

Whoa seeyalater52! I'm sorry J is still sick but I am glad it's not covid.

False rapids are so strange! I wonder if maybe he has another coronavirus - not that I know whether those can be picked up on the rapids, because maybe not but just grasping at straws here.

[seeyalater52]

Sept 22, 2022 14:02:10 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Whoa seeyalater52! I'm sorry J is still sick but I am glad it's not covid.

False rapids are so strange! I wonder if maybe he has another coronavirus - not that I know whether those can be picked up on the rapids, because maybe not but just grasping at straws here.

After doing some more research it does seem like that is a hypothesis floating around because this does seem to happen occasionally. The idea is that cross reactivity from a different coronavirus (likely the other virus he is sick with) caused the test to turn just a little bit positive and of course when the person being tested is symptomatic with similar symptoms to covid it is obvious to assume the positive is accurate even if it is light.

[gretchenindisguise]

I’m glad it’s not covid, but I’m sorry he’s so sick!

My kids brought home a wicked virus a few weeks back that they terribly shared with me. I hope your experience is better than mine was.

[seeyalater52]

Sept 22, 2022 14:53:56 GMT -5 gretchenindisguise said:

I’m glad it’s not covid, but I’m sorry he’s so sick!

My kids brought home a wicked virus a few weeks back that they terribly shared with me. I hope your experience is better than mine was.

We have been masking around him to avoid covid and I’m pretty sick of it after 3 days but I’m tempted to keep going bc I so do not want to get whatever nonsense this is. There are apparently 3 horrible non-covid viruses circulating in our area so the ped was not at all surprised that it came back negative even though I was reeling.

And then in true Twitter and Facebook fashion I had several people tell me I was being irresponsible assuming the PCR was accurate and to get another PCR which we won’t be doing because 1. This poor kid has been swabbed at least daily and sometimes multiple times a day for covid in the past 7 days, and 2. I had to beg the pedi for this first PCR and finding another place that will PCR test a kid this young is a pain in the ass and 3. We don’t go anywhere and will continue to isolate through the weekend since he’s sick with some sort of virus anyways and if he’s not symptomatic and negative on a rapid test Monday morning I struggle to see a meaningful risk to his daycare classmates and y’all know I take covid very seriously (none of the other kids in his class are vaccinated and their families appear to be living pre-covid large with no precautions so while I’d never do anything to put them at actual risk I admit I don’t feel obligated to martyr myself over it.)

[seeyalater52]

Sept 19, 2022 14:52:24 GMT -5 sillygoosegirl said:

Sept 19, 2022 14:20:38 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

It’s still unclear. Both sponsors have said they intend to submit for EUA for 5-11 and 6-18, respectively, this fall. Moderna anticipated data for this age group would be ready end of September, Pfizer said mid-Oct. I haven't seen updates from either sponsor since last month so I’m not sure if this is still on track or what will happen with the approvals. Unclear if FDA would approve both together (possibly holding one application again, stuff of nightmares) or whether they’d allow mix and match the same as they have for other age groups depending on what primary series a kid got. FDA has also been pretty quiet about whether they’ll allow the same mice data sub for BA4/5 as they did for 12+. I’d be mildly pessimistic about getting shots in arms in advance of early Nov but it’s definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

Presumably if Moderna submits first, we'll have to wait for Pfizer and then they'll get approved together, but if Pfizer submits first, it'll be the only one to get approved.  I dare them to prove me wrong.  

Here we goooooo. Let’s see if they sit on 6-11.

[turbo]

Sept 23, 2022 7:34:29 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Sept 19, 2022 14:52:24 GMT -5 sillygoosegirl said:

Presumably if Moderna submits first, we'll have to wait for Pfizer and then they'll get approved together, but if Pfizer submits first, it'll be the only one to get approved.  I dare them to prove me wrong.  

Here we goooooo. Let’s see if they sit on 6-11.

So super dumb question, but from my reading they haven’t yet submitted for 6-11? Just completed it? I did see their follow-up tweet that they expect data on 6 mon - 6 years “later this year”. Hurry that shit up, Moderna.

[seeyalater52]

Sept 23, 2022 7:42:47 GMT -5 turbo said:

Sept 23, 2022 7:34:29 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Here we goooooo. Let’s see if they sit on 6-11.

So super dumb question, but from my reading they haven’t yet submitted for 6-11? Just completed it? I did see their follow-up tweet that they expect data on 6 mon - 6 years “later this year”. Hurry that shit up, Moderna.

If you read again you’ll see they mention it at the bottom of the first tweet. They submitted 2 EUAs today, one for 6-11 and another for 12-17. I’m guessing they are leading with the 12-17 because that is the more “urgent” item for them market-wise, with Pfizer in limited supply and already approved for that age group.

It’s also worth noting that they do not have any bivalent booster data at all from the 6-11 age group. It’s actually really frustrating to me that they’re looking at green lighting an approval with partial OG booster trial data (completely appropriate) but regulators seem to be balking at doing the same in the <6 cohort where Moderna already has some bivalent data from the first ROVER cohort. The double standard kills me.

Edit: I see you’re asking about “completed” vs “submitted” - they mean the same thing in this context, it’s just what their social media person chose to write.

[seeyalater52]

Pfizer submitted for EUA for bivalent 5-11 too. That means both sponsors have applications in, on track for the mid-Oct approval the CDC has been referencing.

www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizerbiontech-seek-fda-nod-new-covid-boosters-children-2022-09-26/

[tacom]

Sept 22, 2022 14:50:47 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Sept 22, 2022 14:02:10 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Whoa seeyalater52! I'm sorry J is still sick but I am glad it's not covid.

False rapids are so strange! I wonder if maybe he has another coronavirus - not that I know whether those can be picked up on the rapids, because maybe not but just grasping at straws here.

After doing some more research it does seem like that is a hypothesis floating around because this does seem to happen occasionally. The idea is that cross reactivity from a different coronavirus (likely the other virus he is sick with) caused the test to turn just a little bit positive and of course when the person being tested is symptomatic with similar symptoms to covid it is obvious to assume the positive is accurate even if it is light.

My now four year old had this exact same scenario in Christmas ‘21

Something in his snot (he was sick… just not covid) turned 2 or 3 Bianax RAT lightly positive. So light my husband barely saw it, only after I pointed it out. Two PCRs (one from our pedi and another from the pfizer study) both negative. Our pedi counseled us to do the same - assume PCR was accurate, keep him home until he’s well, etc. it was very confusing!

[seeyalater52]

Sept 26, 2022 10:06:32 GMT -5 tacom said:

Sept 22, 2022 14:50:47 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

After doing some more research it does seem like that is a hypothesis floating around because this does seem to happen occasionally. The idea is that cross reactivity from a different coronavirus (likely the other virus he is sick with) caused the test to turn just a little bit positive and of course when the person being tested is symptomatic with similar symptoms to covid it is obvious to assume the positive is accurate even if it is light.

My now four year old had this exact same scenario in Christmas ‘21

Something in his snot (he was sick… just not covid) turned 2 or 3 Bianax RAT lightly positive. So light my husband barely saw it, only after I pointed it out. Two PCRs (one from our pedi and another from the pfizer study) both negative. Our pedi counseled us to do the same - assume PCR was accurate, keep him home until he’s well, etc. it was very confusing!

It’s so confusing! I’m sorry it happened to you too, it made me feel extremely crazy. After way too much analysis I’ve concluded we only had one light true positive (and like your situation, it was light enough that my wife would have called it negative if I hadn’t pointed it out), followed by 5 negative rapid tests, 1 possible even lighter rapid positive and 1 negative PCR over the next 2 days. The second light positive was really more of a dye run/defective test.

Idk, we really need a better system bc this all sucks.

[mcppalmbeach]

Anyone dealing with COVID in their kids recently want to discuss symptoms? My 5yo woke up with a tummy ache this morning, but he went to the bathroom, felt immediately better and went to school. When I picked him up, he said his stomach bothered him again and he went it the clinic for a little, but he must have felt better because he was sent back to class. He was fine at pick up, had a brownie I had brought with me (lol) and we drove to get his brother a hair cut. He fell asleep on the way (totally normal since starting k). We got out of the car, went into the salon. He asked for a lollipop (I know 😳) and had that. When we walked back out I was like your cheeks are red and I felt him and he was warm. He had a fever when we got home. He had a flu shot last week and he was sick just a month ago 😢. I’ll test him later bc he wanted to go back to sleep. I know earlier in the year the “new” symptom was a headache so I’m just curious/

[erbear]

Never mind, I misread something

[fluffycookie]

COVID, along with what it feels like is a million other things are going around the schools and community. MH went down on Friday night and I thought DS and I did a good job staying away from him this weekend, but DS just got sent home from school with almost the same symptoms. Covid is negative, but school said to bring him to be tested for the flu and strep. MH was tested for all three on Saturday and everything was negative and urgent care said there is a viral infection going around mimicking the flu/covid symptoms.