Classified documents found at Penn Biden Center in DC

[prettyinpearls]

Jan 12, 2023 16:55:51 GMT -5 carmenere said:

Jan 12, 2023 16:46:23 GMT -5 TR said:

Why would this be? Genuinely curious. Because my only thought when I saw a SC was already assigned was "are you fucking kidding me?" that this was so fast when it took so long to assign one for Trump's bullshit.

I think the DOJ is making a concerted effort to show they’re being impartial, which I think is the right approach. I know the circumstances aren’t comparable but it would be a really bad look for them to not take it equally seriously.

Yes, this is pretty much what it was. The optics are important and if Garland knows there are indictments in the pipeline in the Trump investigation, he needed to treat the Biden situation in the same manner before they hit.  I also saw comments that if there's a special counsel assigned, House committees can't poke their nose where it doesn't belong re: the Biden documents. 

[Bad Dingo]

Here is Heather Cox Richardson's take on this:
heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/january-12-2023

[cous0226]

Jan 13, 2023 0:50:38 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

TR, true. However, I don’t think we can discount how much negative press can impact turnout for democrats, too. We need someone that people will be excited to show up and vote for. I just don’t think Biden is that person. Last election, turnout was more to make sure Trump didn’t stay in than to get Biden in.

Who is that person though because in the last election a screaming old man was leading in the primaries for a while until things picked up for Biden. There were plenty of candidates.

[lilac05]

Jan 13, 2023 9:31:00 GMT -5 cous0226 said:

Jan 13, 2023 0:50:38 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

TR, true. However, I don’t think we can discount how much negative press can impact turnout for democrats, too. We need someone that people will be excited to show up and vote for. I just don’t think Biden is that person. Last election, turnout was more to make sure Trump didn’t stay in than to get Biden in.

Who is that person though because in the last election a screaming old man was leading in the primaries for a while until things picked up for Biden. There were plenty of candidates.

Unfortunately, I know of too many people who just didn’t vote because they didn’t want to choose between the two. Or they voted for someone else. Also, I wasn’t excited at all to vote for Biden. My vote was against Trump…and that happened to be for Biden. A lot of people just chose not to make a choice. Obviously I disagree with them and we could have many conversations about why that’s a terrible idea…but that’s not what this is about. We just need to get people to the polls. And we can agree to disagree, but I don’t think Biden is good for getting people to show up with enthusiasm.

[pixy0stix]

People weren't enthusiastic about voting for Biden in 2020 yet - "The 2020 presidential election had the highest voter turnout of the 21st century, with 66.8% of citizens 18 years and older voting in the election, according to new voting and registration tables released today by the U.S. Census Bureau."

www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/2020-presidential-election-voting-and-registration-tables-now-available.html

I'm just so fucking glad we get to have the same fucking convo about Biden not bringing out voters once again. So thrilled.

[lemoncupcake]

Jan 13, 2023 12:21:47 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

People weren't enthusiastic about voting for Biden in 2020 yet - "The 2020 presidential election had the highest voter turnout of the 21st century, with 66.8% of citizens 18 years and older voting in the election, according to new voting and registration tables released today by the U.S. Census Bureau."

www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/2020-presidential-election-voting-and-registration-tables-now-available.html

I'm just so fucking glad we get to have the same fucking convo about Biden not bringing out voters once again. So thrilled.

There’s some theoretical argument to be had about how many people voted for Biden vs voting against Trump, and how turnout would have fared if it was Biden against a typical R candidate (whatever that means these days)

[lilac05]

lemoncupcake, yes, that’s what I’m trying to say. Certainly the turnout numbers don’t lie, and voter turnout was up. I can only speak for myself and many of my friends, but I believe many people showed up to be “Never Trump” rather than excited to vote FOR Biden. I was excited to vote for Biden only because it was one less vote for Trump…and if you look back to the conversations we had on this board prior to him being the nominee, I don’t think I’m alone in that.

I’m not anti-Biden at all, and I think in many ways, he was what our country needed, even if it wasn’t what I (and many others) wanted. But I don’t feel passionate about him being President like I did when Obama was in office. I don’t hear him speak and think, “I am so proud to have him as our President.” He’s fine. He’s certainly FAR better than any Republican…but I believe Democrats can do better in 2024.

[spindle92]

Jan 13, 2023 13:36:38 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

lemoncupcake , yes, that’s what I’m trying to say. Certainly the turnout numbers don’t lie, and voter turnout was up. I can only speak for myself and many of my friends, but I believe many people showed up to be “Never Trump” rather than excited to vote FOR Biden. I was excited to vote for Biden only because it was one less vote for Trump…and if you look back to the conversations we had on this board prior to him being the nominee, I don’t think I’m alone in that.

I’m not anti-Biden at all, and I think I’m many ways, he was what our country needed, even if it wasn’t what I (and many others) wanted. But I don’t feel passionate about him being President like I did when Obama was in office. I don’t hear him speak and think, “I am so proud to have him as our President.” He’s fine. He’s certainly FAR better than any Republican…but I believe Democrats can do better in 2024.

I have rewatched Obama's 2008 acceptance speech from Grant Park more times than I care to admit and every time I still get tears in my eyes.   

[Bad Dingo]

Jan 13, 2023 12:21:47 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I'm just so fucking glad we get to have the same fucking convo about Biden not bringing out voters once again. So thrilled.

QFT

Seriously people. Eyes on the prize.

[underwaterrhymes]

This is what we do wrong every fucking time.

I get wanting to be excited. But even if it’s not our favorite candidate who is the nominee, we need to either get excited or fake like we are excited because otherwise it will be someone like Trump or DeSantis.

[dulcemariamar]

I think Trump is such a polarizing figure that a lot of people came out to vote just to vote against him. We don’t know if the next Republican candidate will “inspire” so many people to come out and vote against another Republican candidate.

I don’t understand Biden wanting to run for a second term. I can see how he was a good fit for that particular moment in history but I think a lot of people will have trouble overlooking a president who will be 82 at the start of his second term.

I don’t know, if I was Biden I would try to leave on a high note after a first term and just go off and enjoy retirement.

[lilac05]

Jan 13, 2023 14:57:42 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

Jan 13, 2023 12:21:47 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I'm just so fucking glad we get to have the same fucking convo about Biden not bringing out voters once again. So thrilled.

QFT

Seriously people. Eyes on the prize.

I think that’s where we see things differently. I DO feel like I have my eyes on the prize. Winning the presidency in 2024. There’s still plenty of time for Democrats to put forward a great candidate for 2024, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with hoping they choose someone other than Biden.

I voted for him in 20, and encouraged others to do so, too. And I’ll do the same in 2024, if that’s what the party decides. But it’s just barely 2023, and I don’t have to want that now. I don’t think we have to resign ourselves to an 82(?) year old white man being the best the party has to offer. I’d like to see him retire and enjoy life with his family while building up the future of the party.

[pixy0stix]

Jan 13, 2023 17:36:13 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Jan 13, 2023 14:57:42 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

QFT

Seriously people. Eyes on the prize.

I think that’s where we see things differently. I DO feel like I have my eyes on the prize. Winning the presidency in 2024. There’s still plenty of time for Democrats to put forward a great candidate for 2024, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with hoping they choose someone other than Biden.

I voted for him in 20, and encouraged others to do so, too. And I’ll do the same in 2024, if that’s what the party decides. But it’s just barely 2023, and I don’t have to want that now. I don’t think we have to resign ourselves to an 82(?) year old white man being the best the party has to offer. I’d like to see him retire and enjoy life with his family while building up the future of the party.

I'm fairly certain we do have to resign ourselves. He's going to be the party nom since it's the GOP's election to fill the clown car. FYI, talking about is age is 100% a republican talking point that dems are really good at spreading.

[dulcemariamar]

Jan 13, 2023 18:00:23 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jan 13, 2023 17:36:13 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

I think that’s where we see things differently. I DO feel like I have my eyes on the prize. Winning the presidency in 2024. There’s still plenty of time for Democrats to put forward a great candidate for 2024, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with hoping they choose someone other than Biden.

I voted for him in 20, and encouraged others to do so, too. And I’ll do the same in 2024, if that’s what the party decides. But it’s just barely 2023, and I don’t have to want that now. I don’t think we have to resign ourselves to an 82(?) year old white man being the best the party has to offer. I’d like to see him retire and enjoy life with his family while building up the future of the party.

I'm fairly certain we do have to resign ourselves. He's going to be the party nom since it's the GOP's election to fill the clown car. FYI, talking about is age is 100% a republican talking point that dems are really good at spreading.

I don’t think it is fair to dismiss his age as a Republican talking point.

It appears to be a very stressful job both physically and mentally. You would hope that he would put the country first and step down if he couldn’t continue but who knows...there is so much stigma about being a one term president that it could be influencing his decision

[lilac05]

Jan 13, 2023 18:00:23 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jan 13, 2023 17:36:13 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

I think that’s where we see things differently. I DO feel like I have my eyes on the prize. Winning the presidency in 2024. There’s still plenty of time for Democrats to put forward a great candidate for 2024, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with hoping they choose someone other than Biden.

I voted for him in 20, and encouraged others to do so, too. And I’ll do the same in 2024, if that’s what the party decides. But it’s just barely 2023, and I don’t have to want that now. I don’t think we have to resign ourselves to an 82(?) year old white man being the best the party has to offer. I’d like to see him retire and enjoy life with his family while building up the future of the party.

I'm fairly certain we do have to resign ourselves. He's going to be the party nom since it's the GOP's election to fill the clown car. FYI, talking about is age is 100% a republican talking point that dems are really good at spreading.

I know we will likely have to resign ourselves…and I will. But I can still hope that I won’t have to.

I disagree with you on the age thing, but maybe that’s because I live in Iowa where we just sent Grassley who is almost 90 years old back to the senate. They had no problem sending him back and considered his age “experience”! I work with the geriatric population, and I’m not sure Republicans are wrong when they say they have concerns about his overall cognitive status. He has thankfully surrounded himself by good people and it does not seem to affect his decision making skills, but I think we may look back in 20 years and find out how much he was held up by his team. (FWIW, I feel the same about Trump…with even greater concerns about his cognitive status.)

[pixy0stix]

I am, again, uninterested in doing his whole age thing again - www.vox.com/2019/8/6/20753965/joe-biden-republican-talking-points

[pixy0stix]

Aren't you all tired? I'm tired of saying the same shit over and over again. Of having the exact.same.conversation.

He hasn't acted or done anything different than 2020. He's fine.

[sonrisa]

My take is very simple: If Biden steps down, and someone else steps up, that is the time to have this conversation. Until then, it's time for dems to fall in line. He wasn't my preferred candidate in 2020 but  *Biden is going to be the Democratic candidate in 2024.* Biden's not going anywhere. We need to come to terms with that and figure out how we win *with* him. All of this back and forth just sucks energy and feeds the GOP. 

* (unless some idiot decides to primary him. That is the quickest way to lose the next election so no one wish that into existence).


** by ‘this’ conversation I mean the conversation about who we’d prefer /what we’d prefer in a dem candidate. Not the broader thread.

[goldengirlz]

The truth of the matter is that everyone is a little bit right. Dems tend to do well when voter turnout is high BUT ALSO a big part of Biden’s victory was that he managed to flip the suburbs. (Trump actually did better in urban areas like New York, Chicago and San Jose in 2020 than in 2016.)

Can Biden hold on to the suburbs? Who the hell knows. 2020 was such a weird-ass year. On the other hand, we saw how abortion galvanized people in midterms — so that’s basically the same wildcard issue that covid was. Personally, I think THAT matters more than who we run — plus in this country, I wouldn’t bet against the mediocre old white man having a real shot.

[pixy0stix]

Jan 14, 2023 3:10:15 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

On the other hand, we saw how abortion galvanized people in midterms — so that’s basically the same wildcard issue that covid was. Personally, I think THAT matters more than who we run — plus in this country, I wouldn’t bet against the mediocre old white man having a real shot.

The House chucklefucks in charge have already started trying to put restrictions in place. I don't know if I want them to keep it up (bad, but maybe not going anywhere) just because it will be good for the Dems during the election year.

[Patsy Baloney]

Jan 14, 2023 8:54:55 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jan 14, 2023 3:10:15 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

On the other hand, we saw how abortion galvanized people in midterms — so that’s basically the same wildcard issue that covid was. Personally, I think THAT matters more than who we run — plus in this country, I wouldn’t bet against the mediocre old white man having a real shot.

The House chucklefucks in charge have already started trying to put restrictions in place. I don't know if I want them to keep it up (bad, but maybe not going anywhere) just because it will be good for the Dems during the election year.

They cannot stop shitting where they eat on this one. I can’t figure out what the endgame is on it. It clearly is unpopular and has caused many lost elections. Yet, they keep on keeping on.

[NewOrleans]

Yay more docs found at Biden’s home.

NYT, too lazy to link.

These fucking people

[pixy0stix]

Frankly, the document issue might be enough to get a new Dem candidate without infighting.

[NewOrleans]

How stupid was it to leave them there after DT’s fiasco? Does anyone have even an atom of sense?

[NewOrleans]

Now they have a nice easy gift wrapped impeachment

[curbsideprophet]

I do not understand what is going on with all these documents. Is this a common thing and we just never heard about it before?

As for a presidential candidate, I want someone who is going to take Covid/public health seriously . The current admin response has not been good. Candidate Biden seemed more concerned about Covid than President Biden.

[pixy0stix]

Jan 14, 2023 18:58:29 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

I do not understand what is going on with all these documents. Is this a common thing and we just never heard about it before?

As for a presidential candidate, I want someone who is going to take Covid/public health seriously . The current admin response has not been good. Candidate Biden seemed more concerned about Covid than President Biden.

What does this look like in your candidate?

[mcsangel2]

Jan 14, 2023 18:58:29 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

I do not understand what is going on with all these documents. Is this a common thing and we just never heard about it before?

I asked that a few days ago. The consensus seems to be that, yeah, it probably happens occasionally, but the Trump situation now has it on everyone's radar. (Of course, the reason it's on everyone's radar is because Trump actually purposely packed selected documents and took them with him after he left office, which is....not what happened in Biden's case and surely is not what has happened with other ex Presidents either.)

[basilosaurus]

Jan 16, 2023 10:40:09 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Jan 14, 2023 18:58:29 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

I do not understand what is going on with all these documents. Is this a common thing and we just never heard about it before?

I asked that a few days ago. The consensus seems to be that, yeah, it probably happens occasionally, but the Trump situation now has it on everyone's radar. (Of course, the reason it's on everyone's radar is because Trump actually purposely packed selected documents and took them with him after he left office, which is....not what happened in Biden's case and surely is not what has happened with other ex Presidents either.)

Also the Biden camp voluntarily turned them over when discovered. Trump's required fbi involvement. Huge difference

[curbsideprophet]

Jan 16, 2023 9:52:15 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jan 14, 2023 18:58:29 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

I do not understand what is going on with all these documents. Is this a common thing and we just never heard about it before?

As for a presidential candidate, I want someone who is going to take Covid/public health seriously . The current admin response has not been good. Candidate Biden seemed more concerned about Covid than President Biden.

What does this look like in your candidate?

The bar is basically on the floor at the moment. I feel like we need to start someone who acknowledges that Covid is still a problem and Covid is airborne. Someone who realizes the initial infection is not the only concern and sees the value in reducing transmission. Someone who does not push the current vaccine only approach. You can certainly still get Covid even if vaccinated.  Allow the CDC to follow the science and not be influenced by business. Many people think they are fine to just go out and about after 5 days because of the current guidelines. The current CDC message on masking is not great. They mention it it some places but then masks are completely absent in others. Masks are an import tool for preventing transmission and at times they only recommend hand washing.

From the CDC page on Long Covid (I mean seriously, wtf is this)

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html

"The best way to prevent post-COVID conditions is to protect yourself and others from becoming infected. For people who are eligible, CDC recommends staying up to date on COVID-19 vaccination, along with improving ventilation, getting tested for COVID-19 if needed, and seeking treatment for COVID-19 if eligible. Additional preventative measures include avoiding close contact with people who have a confirmed or suspected COVID-19 illness and practicing hand hygiene, which means washing with soap and water for at least 20 seconds."

Someone who is going to mandate masks when needed. Someone is going to push for legislation that will lead to cleaner indoor air. Provide people with high quality masks and easy access to testing.