@Florida bans pilot of new AP AA Studies Course

[imimahoney]

Of course DeSantis does this but fuck him.

Say what you want about the college board (I teach APUSH so I get it) but this course was an actual and honest attempt and bringing in diverse voices and a more thoughtful look at AA history which is often rushed through in most APUSH classes.

I really wish the college board would come out harder against him but they are too scared of other states joining in. They need grow a fucking backbone.

www.wesh.com/article/ap-african-american-studies-florida/42576527

[shauni27]

I saw this earlier this morning and was shocked that I was not more shocked, if that makes sense. FUcking Desantis.

[buckeyegirl]

My school district in Ohio added this pilot course this school year. I was happy to see it offered and I haven't heard any push back from our more Republican leaning area.

[pixy0stix]

FL and TX with the race to the bottom.

[livinitup]

This makes me want to audit this AP class so much.

[erbear]

There are not enough fuck yous in the world for Ron DeSantis. And that photo of him talking about it surrounded by white people. Fuck. You.

[goldengirlz]

I was just about to post more Florida fuckery — DeSantis asking state universities for detailed info on how many trans students receive gender affirming care.

www.politico.com/amp/news/2023/01/18/desantis-trans-health-care-florida-universities-00078435

(Apologies if I’m derailing this thread — both are important issues. But we could fill an entire board with Fuck Florida news today so I thought I’d consolidate.)

[formerlyak]

Jan 20, 2023 13:39:47 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

I was just about to post more Florida fuckery — DeSantis asking state universities for detailed info on how many trans students receive gender affirming care.

www.politico.com/amp/news/2023/01/18/desantis-trans-health-care-florida-universities-00078435

(Apologies if I’m detailing this thread — both are important issues. But we could fill an entire board with Fuck Florida news today so I thought I’d consolidate.)

Since that is medical care and involves release of medical record information, isn’t that a violation of HIPAA? It may be addressed in the article, but I just saw this between meetings so I haven’t read it yet.

[Deleted]

Jan 20, 2023 15:15:58 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

Jan 20, 2023 13:39:47 GMT -5 goldengirlz said:

I was just about to post more Florida fuckery — DeSantis asking state universities for detailed info on how many trans students receive gender affirming care.

www.politico.com/amp/news/2023/01/18/desantis-trans-health-care-florida-universities-00078435

(Apologies if I’m detailing this thread — both are important issues. But we could fill an entire board with Fuck Florida news today so I thought I’d consolidate.)

Since that is medical care and involves release of medical record information, isn’t that a violation of HIPAA? It may be addressed in the article, but I just saw this between meetings so I haven’t read it yet.

I think it only violates HIPPA if the data is tied to an actual patient. But saying “2 people received gender-affirming care” isn’t itself a violation any more than “15 people received treatment for COVID.”

Of course DeSantis has horrific motives here , and there is fuckery afoot, so it’s okay to be outraged!

[formerlyak]

Got it. When it said “detailed” I was thinking beyond just numbers. That makes sense.

[goldengirlz]

Jan 20, 2023 15:52:24 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

Got it. When it said “detailed” I was thinking beyond just numbers. That makes sense.

Detailed in the sense that they want to know a lot of specifics (aggregated, of course.) From the article:

“The request from DeSantis poses a list of questions for universities, such as asking them to provide the number of students or individuals who received gender-affirming treatment, including surgical procedures, spanning the last five years and where the treatment was sought. It also asks how many of those cases were “first-time” visits for treatment or were referred to other facilities.

The DeSantis administration also wants to know how many students were diagnosed with gender identity disorders under a medical classification. Additionally, the request asks for a breakdown of how many people were prescribed puberty blockers, hormones or hormone antagonists, or underwent a medical procedure.”

I mean, this is some bullshit (invasive and chilling) even if it doesn’t technically violate HIPAA.

[NewOrleans]

Jan 20, 2023 4:35:59 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

I really wish the college board would come out harder against him but they are too scared of other states joining in. They need grow a fucking backbone.

Why would they? They are an agent of white supremacy.  It’s not a question of courage to voice their disagreement but rather of their usual function, original purpose, and tacit agreement.

Remember when they decided world history began with colonialism? 
www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/06/ap-world-history-controversy/562778/

[imimahoney]

Jan 21, 2023 10:25:49 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jan 20, 2023 4:35:59 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

I really wish the college board would come out harder against him but they are too scared of other states joining in. They need grow a fucking backbone.

Why would they? They are an agent of white supremacy.  It’s not a question of courage to voice their disagreement but rather of their usual function, original purpose, and tacit agreement.

Remember when they decided world history began with colonialism? 
www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/06/ap-world-history-controversy/562778/

Well in theory they consider themselves an equalizer in secondary education. My most recent APSI for AP Gov was taught by a Howard professor who believes that through the accessibility of AP programs, minority students are given a leg up that would not exist with out them. And there was actually a good amount of data which substantiated that claim.

Now I can't speak to how true that is but that's how they are trying to present themselves. And so if that is what they believe then they should do something about it.

[imimahoney]

Some updates

chicago.suntimes.com/elections/2023/1/25/23571766/pritzker-college-board-desantis-advanced-placement-class-florida-lgbtq-black-racist-homophobic

And the College Board will release the curriculum on 2/1. It would be pretty bold and awful of them to publish a censored version of this class on the first day of Black History Month.

[NewOrleans]

Jan 21, 2023 12:48:44 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Jan 21, 2023 10:25:49 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Why would they? They are an agent of white supremacy.  It’s not a question of courage to voice their disagreement but rather of their usual function, original purpose, and tacit agreement.

Remember when they decided world history began with colonialism? 
www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/06/ap-world-history-controversy/562778/

Well in theory they consider themselves an equalizer in secondary education. My most recent APSI for AP Gov was taught by a Howard professor who believes that through the accessibility of AP programs, minority students are given a leg up that would not exist with out them. And there was actually a good amount of data which substantiated that claim.

Now I can't speak to how true that is but that's how they are trying to present themselves. And so if that is what they believe then they should do something about it.

The College Board, along with its SAT, is one of the biggest purveyors of systemic racism, though. 

I am not sure how the CB is increasing access to AP classes.  I’m sure schools themselves do plenty of gatekeeping, but I have never seen anything to indicate really disrupt systems.

Also suspicious: 

www.edweek.org/leadership/the-case-of-the-missing-data-on-ap-students/2022/07

eta: I can’t read the article from the Chicago Sun Times.

[imimahoney]

Jan 26, 2023 18:39:28 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jan 21, 2023 12:48:44 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Well in theory they consider themselves an equalizer in secondary education. My most recent APSI for AP Gov was taught by a Howard professor who believes that through the accessibility of AP programs, minority students are given a leg up that would not exist with out them. And there was actually a good amount of data which substantiated that claim.

Now I can't speak to how true that is but that's how they are trying to present themselves. And so if that is what they believe then they should do something about it.

The College Board, along with its SAT, is one of the biggest purveyors of systemic racism, though. 

I am not sure how the CB is increasing access to AP classes.  I’m sure schools themselves do plenty of gatekeeping, but I have never seen anything to indicate really disrupt systems.

Also suspicious: 

www.edweek.org/leadership/the-case-of-the-missing-data-on-ap-students/2022/07

eta: I can’t read the article from the Chicago Sun Times.

Hm, it isn't behind a paywell. It basically just says that Pritzker is going after AP and DeSantis if they censor the course.

chicago.suntimes.com/elections/2023/1/25/23571766/pritzker-college-board-desantis-advanced-placement-class-florida-lgbtq-black-racist-homophobic

Also, I don't really believe the college board's whole shtick but they push it like crazy so... they really can't have it both ways.

All of the ap teachers I know are furious about this.

[msmerymac]

The College Board has decided to cave to DeSantis.


(Gift link)
www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/us/college-board-advanced-placement-african-american-studies.html?unlocked_article_code=TRjpl9KeGiik_D9XetaBKaw4-G5HoXUg10ZRBPNM_6P61yQOhypshyGsuPfoQZMcN91o2zu65qUmH0qgdT8sHNpT7RMfvv34m-xpIqTvnFad_2O-By18xjm2PMlHiCNWcXB8X_P2_HtQj5kqBUgiW-1Eh2huDbOVXsIpn6AKIxOI6hKzVWCAyEBqSct9NR-K8WebxJko3Q4lV0M5dFGptsfnVr2MK6qxOoVfL1cj029_o_t5xRqdBtYJ82_LnbeUeevNNZj-WNrBw4BbmjPrW64iT0R9n6u0xsa9FN4SGtUFAa_FUrd6KArDHSCnoB-sh31ganq85x2rln4QkxKP8EBURGV1GIfUZvQaG5RJBRMmwC8T3RhZ8oB1XZMcmw&smid=share-url

[taratru]

Feb 1, 2023 11:18:29 GMT -5 msmerymac said:

The College Board has decided to cave to DeSantis.


(Gift link)
www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/us/college-board-advanced-placement-african-american-studies.html?unlocked_article_code=TRjpl9KeGiik_D9XetaBKaw4-G5HoXUg10ZRBPNM_6P61yQOhypshyGsuPfoQZMcN91o2zu65qUmH0qgdT8sHNpT7RMfvv34m-xpIqTvnFad_2O-By18xjm2PMlHiCNWcXB8X_P2_HtQj5kqBUgiW-1Eh2huDbOVXsIpn6AKIxOI6hKzVWCAyEBqSct9NR-K8WebxJko3Q4lV0M5dFGptsfnVr2MK6qxOoVfL1cj029_o_t5xRqdBtYJ82_LnbeUeevNNZj-WNrBw4BbmjPrW64iT0R9n6u0xsa9FN4SGtUFAa_FUrd6KArDHSCnoB-sh31ganq85x2rln4QkxKP8EBURGV1GIfUZvQaG5RJBRMmwC8T3RhZ8oB1XZMcmw&smid=share-url

Of course they have. Too many mandatory tests in Florida.

I loved being an AP teacher and scorer, truly. But this has me thinking I may never want to support CB again.

[shauni27]

and did you see what is happening at New College? There is a story on NPR that I heard this morning, but here is an article that sums it up pretty well:
news.yahoo.com/florida-gov-desantis-says-state-191421884.html

[seeyalater52]

I’m a little dumbstruck that they announced this on the first day of BOTH Black History Month and LGBTQ+ History Month. I knew they’d cave but for some reason that bothers me extra.

[imimahoney]

I'm so angry about this. I knew it was going to happen but still UGH. FUCK the cb.

[imimahoney]

I hope whoever teaches this class focuses on every single "optional" topic that used to be required 🤬

[NewOrleans]

Jan 26, 2023 18:49:39 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Jan 26, 2023 18:39:28 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

The College Board, along with its SAT, is one of the biggest purveyors of systemic racism, though. 

I am not sure how the CB is increasing access to AP classes.  I’m sure schools themselves do plenty of gatekeeping, but I have never seen anything to indicate really disrupt systems.

Also suspicious: 

www.edweek.org/leadership/the-case-of-the-missing-data-on-ap-students/2022/07

eta: I can’t read the article from the Chicago Sun Times.

Hm, it isn't behind a paywell. It basically just says that Pritzker is going after AP and DeSantis if they censor the course.

chicago.suntimes.com/elections/2023/1/25/23571766/pritzker-college-board-desantis-advanced-placement-class-florida-lgbtq-black-racist-homophobic

Also, I don't really believe the college board's whole shtick but they push it like crazy so... they really can't have it both ways.

All of the ap teachers I know are furious about this.

So with the update today, I googled this story and read about it elsewhere.  So Pritzker’s big plan to retaliate against the CB for watering down the course due to FL’s ban… is to reject the AP Af-Am studies course for Illinois? Um. Way to stick it to the College Board there?

[NewOrleans]

The CB statement they believed a lot of the theoretical secondary sources were dense reading isn’t unfair. There were some pretty complex ideas and readings in the original framework that would be so, so challenging. Like, I’m not sure even most AP high schoolers are up for Franz Fanon.

This part of the article is, though— these details… That is definitely something. Not sure how someone even begins to approach James Baldwin, Audre Lorde, or bell hooks without “Queer life.” It’s also pretty cute they remind everyone to keep censoring at the end there. All hail the mighty AP exam.

the College Board seemed to opt out of the politics. In its revised 234-page curriculum framework, the content on Africa, slavery, reconstruction and the civil rights movement remains largely the same. But the study of contemporary topics — including Black Lives Matter, incarceration, queer life and the debate over reparations — is downgraded. The subjects are no longer part of the exam, and are simply offered on a list of options for a required research project. And even that list, in a nod to local laws, “can be refined by local states and districts.”

[imimahoney]

So now the CB is saying the Times article is basically all lies and the changes were already in place before DeSantis spoke out.

allaccess.collegeboard.org/how-new-york-times-got-it-wrong-ap-african-american-studies

I wish I had a detailed copy of the CED from before and after to compare.

CB is just trying to cover their ass with the backlash they are facing.

[seeyalater52]

Feb 1, 2023 20:05:03 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

So now the CB is saying the Times article is basically all lies and the changes were already in place before DeSantis spoke out.

allaccess.collegeboard.org/how-new-york-times-got-it-wrong-ap-african-american-studies

I wish I had a detailed copy of the CED from before and after to compare.

CB is just trying to cover their ass with the backlash they are facing.

I mean DeSantis’ nonsense was not the first time queer history and CRT have been political punching bags over the past year or so. Regardless of which horrifying fascist they were attending to when they made the changes it’s equally horrifying to me. It’s not like DeSantis invented this, he’s mirroring trends happening all over the country.

[basilosaurus]

If the government isn't quick enough to censor, don't worry, volunteer "patriots" to the rescue!

www.salon.com/2023/02/03/call-the-woke-busters-ron-desantis-sends-volunteer-army-to-snatch-books-from-students-hands/

One "patriot" group calling for volunteers to monitor their schools. They of course promote all sorts of conspiracy theories, but this one was new to me. Apparently Bill Gates is single handedly responsible for rising egg prices in order to promote artificial eggs. These people are insane yet somehow powerful enough to be incredibly dangerous.

""More things found in the Library," their site breathlessly reads. The offensive materials they flagged? Michelle Obama's memoir and a history of Barack Obama's presidency."

[Bad Dingo]

Feb 1, 2023 13:06:02 GMT -5 shauni27 said:

and did you see what is happening at New College? There is a story on NPR that I heard this morning, but here is an article that sums it up pretty well:
news.yahoo.com/florida-gov-desantis-says-state-191421884.html

I'm assuming this is a State school?

People need to start boycotting FL. Don't have your business events there, don't send your kids to college there, don't go to Disney, etc.

The only thing I think will stop this (because voting hasn't helped) is uproar from the business community.

[Bad Dingo]

Feb 1, 2023 17:56:36 GMT -5 NewOrleans said:

Jan 26, 2023 18:49:39 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Hm, it isn't behind a paywell. It basically just says that Pritzker is going after AP and DeSantis if they censor the course.

chicago.suntimes.com/elections/2023/1/25/23571766/pritzker-college-board-desantis-advanced-placement-class-florida-lgbtq-black-racist-homophobic

Also, I don't really believe the college board's whole shtick but they push it like crazy so... they really can't have it both ways.

All of the ap teachers I know are furious about this.

So with the update today, I googled this story and read about it elsewhere. So Pritzker’s big plan to retaliate against the CB for watering down the course due to FL’s ban… is to reject the AP Af-Am studies course for Illinois? Um. Way to stick it to the College Board there?

It does hurt the CB though because they won't get that $$. Instead, schools should be partnering with local community colleges and universities to offer their students actual college courses without the CB restrictions.

[basilosaurus]

Feb 4, 2023 6:35:23 GMT -5 Bad Dingo said:

Feb 1, 2023 13:06:02 GMT -5 shauni27 said:

and did you see what is happening at New College? There is a story on NPR that I heard this morning, but here is an article that sums it up pretty well:
news.yahoo.com/florida-gov-desantis-says-state-191421884.html

I'm assuming this is a State school?

People need to start boycotting FL. Don't have your business events there, don't send your kids to college there, don't go to Disney, etc.

The only thing I think will stop this (because voting hasn't helped) is uproar from the business community.

it is. A good friend of mine seriously considered it back when it was under the umbrella of USF. It's a unique college, no grades exactly but rather written evaluations. It's known for innovative coursework, too. Exactly why it's a target of gqp