When Don’t Say Gay meets the College Board

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Aug 4, 2023 9:54:18 GMT -5 Michelle said:

Aug 4, 2023 9:44:10 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

No, they don’t.

I was going to reference this same case, and I'm sure they won't care until their own baby or grandbaby dies because there wasn't a surgeon to get to them. But then it will be "God's plan" instead of considered something completely preventable.

And “Nobody wants to work anymore!”

[basilosaurus]

My bff did an ib program in a FL public school in the late 90s. It was a side effect of jebs pre cursor to nclb. They'd bring it in to save a failing school to bring up the school's average standardized test rates so as not to address the rest of the school failing. So that alternate to ap already exists. She was able to get Florida bright futures 100% scholarship plus extra stipend.

By desantis anti woke anti humanity rules, it wouldn't surprise me if ib will only be in private schools.

I also question if public universities would not be permitted to recognize ib or ap from private schools for admission and credit.

[mrsukyankee]

IB overseas must be more regulated than in the States because every teacher/student who has done IB versus other programmes has said that IB is stricter and harder, and for teachers, there is a lot more training.

[imimahoney]

Aug 5, 2023 5:40:16 GMT -5 mrsukyankee said:

IB overseas must be more regulated than in the States because every teacher/student who has done IB versus other programmes has said that IB is stricter and harder, and for teachers, there is a lot more training.

Definitely more strict overseas than here. IB is viewed as much more accessible than the AP program, which is why many districts are turning away from AP to IB.

[imimahoney]

Update: Florida now says it's "up to each district" to decide.

My guess? Unless there is a big community push back, more communities will opt out of the class to avoid any controversy with the state and crazy ass groups.

www.cnn.com/2023/08/05/us/florida-ap-psychology-allowed-college-board/index.html

[lilac05]

Aug 5, 2023 6:30:24 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Update: Florida now says it's "up to each district" to decide.

My guess? Unless there is a big community push back, more communities will opt out of the class to avoid any controversy with the state and crazy ass groups.

www.cnn.com/2023/08/05/us/florida-ap-psychology-allowed-college-board/index.html

I agree. This just pushes the issue off to the teachers. As if teaching in FL isn’t already stressful enough! (Though considering some of the teachers I had in a pretty deep red area, we can’t confidently assume that they’re all on the same side of this issue.)

[Jalapeñomel]

Aug 5, 2023 6:28:40 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Aug 5, 2023 5:40:16 GMT -5 mrsukyankee said:

IB overseas must be more regulated than in the States because every teacher/student who has done IB versus other programmes has said that IB is stricter and harder, and for teachers, there is a lot more training.

Definitely more strict overseas than here. IB is viewed as much more accessible than the AP program, which is why many districts are turning away from AP to IB.

Maybe this is regional, but my school looked into IB, and they told us that all teachers have to be IB certified (no certification for AP).

The chemistry IB curriculum is definitely more rigorous than the AP (although the AP use to be harder, there’s no lab requirement for AP chem and that’s a huge part of the IB).

[imimahoney]

Aug 5, 2023 8:19:36 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Aug 5, 2023 6:28:40 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Definitely more strict overseas than here. IB is viewed as much more accessible than the AP program, which is why many districts are turning away from AP to IB.

Maybe this is regional, but my school looked into IB, and they told us that all teachers have to be IB certified (no certification for AP).

The chemistry IB curriculum is definitely more rigorous than the AP (although the AP use to be harder, there’s no lab requirement for AP chem and that’s a huge part of the IB).

I honestly don't know of any IB programs in my area even though I'm sure there are some. I'm mostly going off of what my fellow APUSH teachers are saying.

I really think it varies from state to state so I shouldn't generalize.

[cmeon]

Aug 5, 2023 6:28:40 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Aug 5, 2023 5:40:16 GMT -5 mrsukyankee said:

IB overseas must be more regulated than in the States because every teacher/student who has done IB versus other programmes has said that IB is stricter and harder, and for teachers, there is a lot more training.

Definitely more strict overseas than here. IB is viewed as much more accessible than the AP program, which is why many districts are turning away from AP to IB.

My kids' public school is an IB world school. It's been so since 1969. It is actually a very well regimented program here, so maybe get your information from IB teachers instead of AP teachers (they are often the same in our school, though psychology is has separate teachers- so this really stings for the AP teacher).

The AP classes are often used as prereqs for our IB HL classes- APCSA is a low level Java based basic programming course, IB HL CS has an internal assessment that requires students to find a client, and design, write, troubleshoot and publish a complete application for them. APCalcBC is the pinnacle of AP math- but IB HL math can go into linear algebra, DiffEQ, sets, and other other higher level topics. I think the lang/lit pair are similar enough to compare side by side, but students don't take these IB classes individually- they take them while writing an intense research paper, working 150 CAS houra, and along with 5-6 other college level classes )inclusing a required 4 years of a world language). It's definitely not "easy or regarded as such.

The IB teachers (who again, may teach AP classes, too) are our school's best teachers.

I honestly wonder if you're thinking of AICE? That is a much more popular and accessible program in FL. We have 2 IB programs in our district (and that's rather unique), but every other HS has AICE (and they all have AP).

[imimahoney]

Aug 5, 2023 9:05:26 GMT -5 cmeon said:

Aug 5, 2023 6:28:40 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Definitely more strict overseas than here. IB is viewed as much more accessible than the AP program, which is why many districts are turning away from AP to IB.

My kids' public school is an IB world school. It's been so since 1969. It is actually a very well regimented program here, so maybe get your information from IB teachers instead of AP teachers (they are often the same in our school, though psychology is has separate teachers- so this really stings for the AP teacher).

The AP classes are often used as prereqs for our IB HL classes- APCSA is a low level Java based basic programming course, IB HL CS has an internal assessment that requires students to find a client, and design, write, troubleshoot and publish a complete application for them. APCalcBC is the pinnacle of AP math- but IB HL math can go into linear algebra, DiffEQ, sets, and other other higher level topics. I think the lang/lit pair are similar enough to compare side by side, but students don't take these IB classes individually- they take them while writing an intense research paper, working 150 CAS houra, and along with 5-6 other college level classes )inclusing a required 4 years of a world language). It's definitely not "easy or regarded as such.

The IB teachers (who again, may teach AP classes, too) are our school's best teachers.

I honestly wonder if you're thinking of AICE? That is a much more popular and accessible program in FL. We have 2 IB programs in our district (and that's rather unique), but every other HS has AICE (and they all have AP).

Probably, sorry for the confusion!

The teachers in my group seem to use them interchangeably.

[DarcyLongfellow]

Yeah, I agree - I bet AICE is what you're thinking of. I'm in Florida, and before the official ruling came out, I'd already heard some schools were planning to switch their class from AP to AICE. IB is an incredibly rigorous program that requires kids to be in the program (I think starting in 9th grade) before they can take an IB class. Kids not in the IB program can't take IB classes, so switching AP to IB wouldn't make sense to me.

On a somewhat good note, in light of the updated (very confusing) ruling, we already got word that my FL district will still be offering AP Psych. My guess is that they still won't be permitted to include the info deemed "controversial" so I'm honestly not sure how they're allowed to use the AP label.

[erbear]

Aug 5, 2023 7:39:35 GMT -5 lilac05 said:

Aug 5, 2023 6:30:24 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Update: Florida now says it's "up to each district" to decide.

My guess? Unless there is a big community push back, more communities will opt out of the class to avoid any controversy with the state and crazy ass groups.

www.cnn.com/2023/08/05/us/florida-ap-psychology-allowed-college-board/index.html

I agree. This just pushes the issue off to the teachers. As if teaching in FL isn’t already stressful enough! (Though considering some of the teachers I had in a pretty deep red area, we can’t confidently assume that they’re all on the same side of this issue.)

Exactly. I would not teach AP Psych in Florida right now because I wouldn’t want to constantly be thinking about whether what I’m teaching, from a curriculum that is set and standard, is somehow going to cost me my job.

[seeyalater52]

Aug 5, 2023 9:53:46 GMT -5 DarcyLongfellow said:

Yeah, I agree - I bet AICE is what you're thinking of. I'm in Florida, and before the official ruling came out, I'd already heard some schools were planning to switch their class from AP to AICE. IB is an incredibly rigorous program that requires kids to be in the program (I think starting in 9th grade) before they can take an IB class. Kids not in the IB program can't take IB classes, so switching AP to IB wouldn't make sense to me.

On a somewhat good note, in light of the updated (very confusing) ruling, we already got word that my FL district will still be offering AP Psych. My guess is that they still won't be permitted to include the info deemed "controversial" so I'm honestly not sure how they're allowed to use the AP label.

From reading some of the follow up releases it sort of seems to me that FL officials are playing a game of chicken with College Board, daring them to try to deny credit for the FL AP Psych courses so they can blame CB for the issue.

[cmeon]

Aug 5, 2023 9:07:43 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Aug 5, 2023 9:05:26 GMT -5 cmeon said:

My kids' public school is an IB world school. It's been so since 1969. It is actually a very well regimented program here, so maybe get your information from IB teachers instead of AP teachers (they are often the same in our school, though psychology is has separate teachers- so this really stings for the AP teacher).

The AP classes are often used as prereqs for our IB HL classes- APCSA is a low level Java based basic programming course, IB HL CS has an internal assessment that requires students to find a client, and design, write, troubleshoot and publish a complete application for them. APCalcBC is the pinnacle of AP math- but IB HL math can go into linear algebra, DiffEQ, sets, and other other higher level topics. I think the lang/lit pair are similar enough to compare side by side, but students don't take these IB classes individually- they take them while writing an intense research paper, working 150 CAS houra, and along with 5-6 other college level classes )inclusing a required 4 years of a world language). It's definitely not "easy or regarded as such.

The IB teachers (who again, may teach AP classes, too) are our school's best teachers.

I honestly wonder if you're thinking of AICE? That is a much more popular and accessible program in FL. We have 2 IB programs in our district (and that's rather unique), but every other HS has AICE (and they all have AP).

Probably, sorry for the confusion!

The teachers in my group seem to use them interchangeably.

Perhaps they are using Cambridge Program and AICE interchangeably? Because those are the same thing.

[basilosaurus]

Aug 5, 2023 8:19:36 GMT -5 Jalapeñomel said:

Aug 5, 2023 6:28:40 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Definitely more strict overseas than here. IB is viewed as much more accessible than the AP program, which is why many districts are turning away from AP to IB.

Maybe this is regional, but my school looked into IB, and they told us that all teachers have to be IB certified (no certification for AP).

The chemistry IB curriculum is definitely more rigorous than the AP (although the AP use to be harder, there’s no lab requirement for AP chem and that’s a huge part of the IB).

Wait, what? No lab requirement?

From very distant memory AP bio had 12 labs you had to know backwards and forwards which I think was different than chem, but I still remember doing a shitton of labs.

[DarcyLongfellow]

Aug 5, 2023 10:37:39 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Aug 5, 2023 9:53:46 GMT -5 DarcyLongfellow said:

Yeah, I agree - I bet AICE is what you're thinking of. I'm in Florida, and before the official ruling came out, I'd already heard some schools were planning to switch their class from AP to AICE. IB is an incredibly rigorous program that requires kids to be in the program (I think starting in 9th grade) before they can take an IB class. Kids not in the IB program can't take IB classes, so switching AP to IB wouldn't make sense to me.

On a somewhat good note, in light of the updated (very confusing) ruling, we already got word that my FL district will still be offering AP Psych. My guess is that they still won't be permitted to include the info deemed "controversial" so I'm honestly not sure how they're allowed to use the AP label.

From reading some of the follow up releases it sort of seems to me that FL officials are playing a game of chicken with College Board, daring them to try to deny credit for the FL AP Psych courses so they can blame CB for the issue.

That definitely could be. I feel like, for the most part, the educators in Florida are trying their hardest to teach the way they believe they ought to, so they're pushing the envelope a bit -- as long as they don't think they'll get into too much trouble.

As far as giving credit, I've learned in the past few days that anyone can register for and take an AP test, whether or not they've taken a class. So some people self-study for a test, then take it, having never enrolled in the class. I could envision FL coming up with its own BS designation to replace "AP," then kids could take that class, study the few "forbidden" subjects on their own, then take the test. The issue, as I think someone touched on above, is that I don't know how a school gets permission to serve as a testing site. If I were the College Board, I wouldn't want schools to be allowed to give the AP test when they can't offer the class. I could see private schools increasing their offerings of the test, or neighboring states. Which is a bad situation for so many reasons -- access being a main one.

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Aug 5, 2023 10:37:39 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Aug 5, 2023 9:53:46 GMT -5 DarcyLongfellow said:

Yeah, I agree - I bet AICE is what you're thinking of. I'm in Florida, and before the official ruling came out, I'd already heard some schools were planning to switch their class from AP to AICE. IB is an incredibly rigorous program that requires kids to be in the program (I think starting in 9th grade) before they can take an IB class. Kids not in the IB program can't take IB classes, so switching AP to IB wouldn't make sense to me.

On a somewhat good note, in light of the updated (very confusing) ruling, we already got word that my FL district will still be offering AP Psych. My guess is that they still won't be permitted to include the info deemed "controversial" so I'm honestly not sure how they're allowed to use the AP label.

From reading some of the follow up releases it sort of seems to me that FL officials are playing a game of chicken with College Board, daring them to try to deny credit for the FL AP Psych courses so they can blame CB for the issue.

From my memory of taking AP classes a million years ago, whether or not you get college credit is based on how you do on the AP class. So if the banned content is just a small part of the overall curriculum, couldn’t students take the AP exam without having learned that content, and likely still score high enough on the AP exam to get college credit? So if the student attends a University, the University only sees that they got a 4 or 5 or whatever on the AP exam, without knowing that certain content may or may not have been covered?

[seeyalater52]

Aug 5, 2023 16:11:58 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Aug 5, 2023 10:37:39 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

From reading some of the follow up releases it sort of seems to me that FL officials are playing a game of chicken with College Board, daring them to try to deny credit for the FL AP Psych courses so they can blame CB for the issue.

From my memory of taking AP classes a million years ago, whether or not you get college credit is based on how you do on the AP class. So if the banned content is just a small part of the overall curriculum, couldn’t students take the AP exam without having learned that content, and likely still score high enough on the AP exam to get college credit? So if the student attends a University, the University only sees that they got a 4 or 5 or whatever on the AP exam, without knowing that certain content may or may not have been covered?

I think the situation is a bit more nuanced than that in this case and I think perhaps some posters hadn’t been following this story since it really exploded in June. Here is more info about the timeline of legislation and state standards adopted and summary of actions by the FLDOE and CB, and how this impacts the IB and AICE curricula as well: accountabaloney.com/index.php/2023/08/05/about-floridas-ap-psychology-situation/

While it may be true that students could take the AP exam without the course designation (I’m not sure how much college board has control over where this is offered and who sits for it) college board has specifically said they will not allow the course as approved by the FL DOE which is the censored version of the course material to be notated on student transcripts and factored into weighted GPAs.

So the actual test aside which I don’t know enough about, the professional organizations (not even CB and so on!) for this topic of study are specifically calling out the FL DOE for being shady and talking out of both sides of their mouth. FL DOE would need to actually change the state standards to teach the course I’m it’s entirety - and I’m not immersed enough in all the details to know whether they can even do that with the way the legislature has revised the law at this point.

Now how much power colleges will give this when evaluating student transcripts I have no idea. How much power to enforce it CB has in reality I have no idea. But as of right now FLDOE is pointing fingers back to CB on this and the idea that FL teachers can teach this course without violating standards and losing their licenses is nonsense. How the FLDOE and superintendents plan to take that on practically is another story but given the prevalence of “watchdog groups” like Moms for Liberty breathing down schools’ necks about every little thing I have no doubt this grey area is going to get some teachers/superintendents etc in trouble if they actually teach the course correctly.

Remember that even though tons of legislators did not support the FL book bans, many schools did indeed comply with them and teachers and parents (and random community members) in the state all participated in activities to proceed with enforcement in quite a lot of areas of the state, including more liberal areas.

[nsl]

Aug 5, 2023 18:24:15 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Aug 5, 2023 16:11:58 GMT -5 @villainv said:

From my memory of taking AP classes a million years ago, whether or not you get college credit is based on how you do on the AP class. So if the banned content is just a small part of the overall curriculum, couldn’t students take the AP exam without having learned that content, and likely still score high enough on the AP exam to get college credit? So if the student attends a University, the University only sees that they got a 4 or 5 or whatever on the AP exam, without knowing that certain content may or may not have been covered?

I think the situation is a bit more nuanced than that in this case and I think perhaps some posters hadn’t been following this story since it really exploded in June. Here is more info about the timeline of legislation and state standards adopted and summary of actions by the FLDOE and CB, and how this impacts the IB and AICE curricula as well: accountabaloney.com/index.php/2023/08/05/about-floridas-ap-psychology-situation/

While it may be true that students could take the AP exam without the course designation (I’m not sure how much college board has control over where this is offered and who sits for it) college board has specifically said they will not allow the course as approved by the FL DOE which is the censored version of the course material to be notated on student transcripts and factored into weighted GPAs.

So the actual test aside which I don’t know enough about, the professional organizations (not even CB and so on!) for this topic of study are specifically calling out the FL DOE for being shady and talking out of both sides of their mouth. FL DOE would need to actually change the state standards to teach the course I’m it’s entirety - and I’m not immersed enough in all the details to know whether they can even do that with the way the legislature has revised the law at this point.

Now how much power colleges will give this when evaluating student transcripts I have no idea. How much power to enforce it CB has in reality I have no idea. But as of right now FLDOE is pointing fingers back to CB on this and the idea that FL teachers can teach this course without violating standards and losing their licenses is nonsense. How the FLDOE and superintendents plan to take that on practically is another story but given the prevalence of “watchdog groups” like Moms for Liberty breathing down schools’ necks about every little thing I have no doubt this grey area is going to get some teachers/superintendents etc in trouble if they actually teach the course correctly.

Remember that even though tons of legislators did not support the FL book bans, many schools did indeed comply with them and teachers and parents (and random community members) in the state all participated in activities to proceed with enforcement in quite a lot of areas of the state, including more liberal areas.

Ditto, ditto, ditto. Getting a qualifying score on the AP exam isn't the guiding principle for many students who take AP classes. You don't have to test in order to take AP courses (I know of exactly one district that is an exception to this rule, and it pays for full test fees for all AP students) and many students want the transcript/GPA bump of AP and could not care less about testing. You can take an AP test without taking the course, but the number of students who do this is statistically insignificant.

I will preface this next bit by saying that I taught AP English Lit and Lang for 10 years, but my last classes tested in 2018. I have kept on top of content-area changes as a professional and also as a parent of a kid taking these classes. College Board has the final say on whether a course can be designated "AP" on a high school transcript. It's a trademark issue--they own the TM, therefore in order to use it the high school in question must document that their courses meet College Board's requirements for that course. Once upon a time that didn't mean much except taking an AP Summer Institute (40 hours of training) on your specific content area's test requirements. Then it evolved into getting a syllabus for your course approved by College Board. Those syllabi had to meet certain requirements--that were not always laid out explicitly--for rigor and content. In the last few years that's further evolved into dividing courses into specific core concepts and competencies that are dictated by College Board experts and laid out in granular detail for teachers and students on College Board's website. College Board has taken a much more active role in dictating course content in the last few years than I ever expected it would given its explicitly hands-off approach to content and texts back when I was an AP teacher.

That said, I fully expect that Florida schools will respond to this controversy in one of two ways. Either they'll play chicken with College Board and dare auditors to cancel transcripts that include courses with approved syllabi that have previously affirmed they are teaching the prescribed curricular points, or they'll quickly pivot to a dual credit/concurrent enrollment model and partner with a community college to teach an advanced course for college credit that avoids those topics completely. Either way kids are getting shortchanged and teachers are going to leave in increasing numbers.

[basilosaurus]

Aug 5, 2023 16:11:58 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Aug 5, 2023 10:37:39 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

From reading some of the follow up releases it sort of seems to me that FL officials are playing a game of chicken with College Board, daring them to try to deny credit for the FL AP Psych courses so they can blame CB for the issue.

From my memory of taking AP classes a million years ago, whether or not you get college credit is based on how you do on the AP class. So if the banned content is just a small part of the overall curriculum, couldn’t students take the AP exam without having learned that content, and likely still score high enough on the AP exam to get college credit? So if the student attends a University, the University only sees that they got a 4 or 5 or whatever on the AP exam, without knowing that certain content may or may not have been covered?

I had friends incredibly proud for refusing anything other than 6k yo earth who still got bio credit. So, yes, it's possible to get credit without a huge important component Uni still has control whether they give credit for 3,4,5 for each course. I didn't get credit for 5 on bio or 4 on chem but got it for 3 on calc ab.

It's incredibly variable. Which is why it really begs the question what Florida public uni would do. Recognize out of state credit? For in state scholarships would they just not count certain classes for students who had access in private schools? It's a much bigger issue in application than a desantis don't say gay don't teach history sound clip

[imimahoney]

Aug 5, 2023 16:11:58 GMT -5 @villainv said:

From my memory of taking AP classes a million years ago, whether or not you get college credit is based on how you do on the AP class. So if the banned content is just a small part of the overall curriculum, couldn’t students take the AP exam without having learned that content, and likely still score high enough on the AP exam to get college credit? So if the student attends a University, the University only sees that they got a 4 or 5 or whatever on the AP exam, without knowing that certain content may or may not have been covered?[/quote]


It completely undermines the course to do that and the College Board would never allow it. Once news got out, teacher groups went wild and rightfully so, called out the College Board to say something. They have been so weak against Florida's bullshit, but you can't allow districts to just skip content. What would stop a conservative teacher from skipping something in APUSH they disagreed with?

I don't know how the AP Psych test is structured but for APUSH content can appear in multiple places. Skipping an entire section could literally destroy a students chance at passing.

And I agree, this is just going to be an ongoing game of chicken to them. Florida is too big and has too many students to ban them completely but the CB needs to come up with a better game plan at dealing with them.

[basilosaurus]

It's fucking 2023 and here Florida is struggling with gay people exist and slavery was bad.

I agree with the above that missing content might be the difference between getting college credit or not. A student who might have gotten 5 but now gets 4 isn't the concern.

I don't know if it's widespread or not or if this is outdated, but there were schools that wouldn't even let students take AP exams if their grade in the class was below a cutoff. This was in the tri county most populous counties in the state but obviously many years ago

[imojoebunny]

Aug 4, 2023 8:47:46 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Similarly, a gay Louisiana doctor (a pediatric heart surgeon specialist, one of just THREE in the whole state) is leaving due to anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation in that state. And the comments on local coverage are basically, "Good riddance." Do they not care about what this will do to children needing care for heart conditions?!?

Nope.  They are only pro birth, not pro life.  My nephew has a congenital heart condition that requires many surgeries,  

when he was 6 months, I met a family from Texas in the waiting room when he was having heart surgery as an infant.  They had to put their other two kids in foster care, so they could come to Atlanta for their babies surgery, after she had a heart attack at 14 months.  The parents were essentially homeless because of having to travel so far.  The dad went back to work and got the other children back, but it was an extra special shit show.  The mom had to stay for months, lost her job, got zero support, other than a place to stay (a local charity).  It’s seriously f’ed.  I doubt my nephew would be alive, if he was a middle income kid, who didn’t meet Medicaid eligibility.  The middle income people with kids like this, it is impossible.  Can’t work.  Even leave is devastating,  without health insurance, your kid is at the mercy of the few who will see them, and you are forever in serious debt.   Getting a waiver takes many months. 

[imojoebunny]

Aug 5, 2023 6:28:40 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Aug 5, 2023 5:40:16 GMT -5 mrsukyankee said:

IB overseas must be more regulated than in the States because every teacher/student who has done IB versus other programmes has said that IB is stricter and harder, and for teachers, there is a lot more training.

Definitely more strict overseas than here. IB is viewed as much more accessible than the AP program, which is why many districts are turning away from AP to IB.

Not at our high school.  They are very strict.  My kid missed three months of school last year due to a very serious illness, she was in mostly IB classes, and they were pretty much fuck you. IB requires this and that.  No exceptions.  It sucks because her GPA was very much impacted because she missed so many test and had to make them all up in 3 weeks, after missing 3 months.  She took some AP classes in 10th, and they seemed more reasonable.  I tried to talk her out of IB tract, but she likes to make her life hard.  She won’t get an IB diploma because she failed one class last year, even though she passed the final, the teacher made  her make up 3 test in 10 days, during finals, with no extra help. She kept up all along, but they would not send someone to our house to test her for the units she competed.  I hated high school the first time, graduate in 3.3 years, and went to college, and I despise it again, this time.  

[redheadbaker]

Aug 6, 2023 23:04:14 GMT -5 imojoebunny said:

Aug 4, 2023 8:47:46 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Similarly, a gay Louisiana doctor (a pediatric heart surgeon specialist, one of just THREE in the whole state) is leaving due to anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation in that state. And the comments on local coverage are basically, "Good riddance." Do they not care about what this will do to children needing care for heart conditions?!?

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Until you address and apologize for the shitty things you said in the Cancel Student Debt thread, go the fuck away. 

[notsopicky]

Aug 3, 2023 19:30:59 GMT -5 erbear said:

I’m pretty sure the brain drain and creating an uneducated population is exactly the plan.

Alllll this. All of these measures are designed and intended to keep their voters poor, sick, stuck and stupid. The end. How the Republican party has managed to sell this insane bill of goods, I'll never know. 

Until the end of my days I will never understand it. Never. 

[turkturkleton]

Aug 7, 2023 10:19:31 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Aug 6, 2023 23:04:14 GMT -5 imojoebunny said:

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Until you address and apologize for the shitty things you said in the Cancel Student Debt thread, go the fuck away. 

This inspired me to go back and reread those comments, and they're even worse than I remembered. The audacity to come into a thread about the purposeful, systemic deterioration of education and the discussion of the resulting privilege gap just to complain about her own daughter getting a bad grade is on brand though!

[pugz]

Aug 4, 2023 10:01:40 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Aug 4, 2023 8:27:31 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

I was just going to ask about APUSH. DS just finished that one and I’m sure there was stuff about slavery since it covered the civil war. And you can’t talk about slavery without talking about race obviously.

And where does it end? What about AP Lit? AP Spanish I took years ago, but there were lessons about the culture and the arts in various Spanish speaking countries in that class. Will that be banned?

This is all wacko.

APUSH is one of the most popular classes so that would have a much bigger impact BUT it's also one of the hardest to pass.

Last yr only 48% of the test takers earned a passing grade. If they wanted Florida could definitely argue that more students would receive college credit through IB programs than through the AP program.

It really sucks right now to be an AP teacher.

I took the class but not the test because we only made it to WWII in the class. Then the teacher (football coach) just had us split into groups and assigned each group a decade and then we had to make a poster/powerpoint about it.  

What a shock that basically nobody passed that test. And I know teachers CAN cover it all because I took European History and we did and I passed the test. 

[imimahoney]

Aug 7, 2023 15:56:29 GMT -5 pugz said:

Aug 4, 2023 10:01:40 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

APUSH is one of the most popular classes so that would have a much bigger impact BUT it's also one of the hardest to pass.

Last yr only 48% of the test takers earned a passing grade. If they wanted Florida could definitely argue that more students would receive college credit through IB programs than through the AP program.

It really sucks right now to be an AP teacher.

I took the class but not the test because we only made it to WWII in the class. Then the teacher (football coach) just had us split into groups and assigned each group a decade and then we had to make a poster/powerpoint about it.  

What a shock that basically nobody passed that test. And I know teachers CAN cover it all because I took European History and we did and I passed the test. 

That's too bad.

The requirements today are more stringent than when we were in school. Required content begins with year 0 and students are expected to know through Obama.

All the while learning and mastering 4 different writing styles and a specific type of multiple choice questions that are based on source material.

Add in starting after labor day, missed days due to illness, weather, state testing etc, etc it is a herculean effort to finish the material. I am so lucky to teach the class in two years. I honestly don't know how people do it in one and not lose their minds.

[formerlyak]

Aug 7, 2023 18:52:35 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Aug 7, 2023 15:56:29 GMT -5 pugz said:

I took the class but not the test because we only made it to WWII in the class. Then the teacher (football coach) just had us split into groups and assigned each group a decade and then we had to make a poster/powerpoint about it.  

What a shock that basically nobody passed that test. And I know teachers CAN cover it all because I took European History and we did and I passed the test. 

That's too bad.

The requirements today are more stringent than when we were in school. Required content begins with year 0 and students are expected to know through Obama.

All the while learning and mastering 4 different writing styles and a specific type of multiple choice questions that are based on source material.

Add in starting after labor day, missed days due to illness, weather, state testing etc, etc it is a herculean effort to finish the material. I am so lucky to teach the class in two years. I honestly don't know how people do it in one and not lose their minds.

This is why our kids have summer work if they are taking AP classes. To make sure they get through all the content.