When Don’t Say Gay meets the College Board

[pugz]

Aug 7, 2023 20:39:27 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

Aug 7, 2023 18:52:35 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

That's too bad.

The requirements today are more stringent than when we were in school. Required content begins with year 0 and students are expected to know through Obama.

All the while learning and mastering 4 different writing styles and a specific type of multiple choice questions that are based on source material.

Add in starting after labor day, missed days due to illness, weather, state testing etc, etc it is a herculean effort to finish the material. I am so lucky to teach the class in two years. I honestly don't know how people do it in one and not lose their minds.

This is why our kids have summer work if they are taking AP classes. To make sure they get through all the content.

We had summer work for AP lit, it was basically a long list of books they suggest we read so we'd have more material to use than just the books we read during the school year. 

[pugz]

Aug 7, 2023 18:52:35 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Aug 7, 2023 15:56:29 GMT -5 pugz said:

I took the class but not the test because we only made it to WWII in the class. Then the teacher (football coach) just had us split into groups and assigned each group a decade and then we had to make a poster/powerpoint about it.  

What a shock that basically nobody passed that test. And I know teachers CAN cover it all because I took European History and we did and I passed the test. 

That's too bad.

The requirements today are more stringent than when we were in school. Required content begins with year 0 and students are expected to know through Obama.

All the while learning and mastering 4 different writing styles and a specific type of multiple choice questions that are based on source material.

Add in starting after labor day, missed days due to illness, weather, state testing etc, etc it is a herculean effort to finish the material. I am so lucky to teach the class in two years. I honestly don't know how people do it in one and not lose their minds.

That's interesting that there is a 2 year option! We started school in mid-August but I know during football season we watched a lot of Ken Burns films on Fridays. 

I don't know that a passing score on US history test would have gotten me any meaningful college credit though in restrospect. My 3 on European History got me out of the required semester of Western Civ. My AP lit score got me out of a semester of freshman English. I took some CLEP tests to get out of a couple of other general ed classes like biology and sociology. 

[formerlyak]

Aug 8, 2023 8:54:00 GMT -5 pugz said:

Aug 7, 2023 20:39:27 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

This is why our kids have summer work if they are taking AP classes. To make sure they get through all the content.

We had summer work for AP lit, it was basically a long list of books they suggest we read so we'd have more material to use than just the books we read during the school year. 

We had this in the 90s when I took AP English.

But last summer was insanity for DS with his 4 AP classes. AP CSP had no homework. But he had to do 2 units of work for AP Chem, all the background basic doc review for APUSH and a pre-Calc review unit for AP Calc.

[penguingrrl]

Aug 7, 2023 20:39:27 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

Aug 7, 2023 18:52:35 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

That's too bad.

The requirements today are more stringent than when we were in school. Required content begins with year 0 and students are expected to know through Obama.

All the while learning and mastering 4 different writing styles and a specific type of multiple choice questions that are based on source material.

Add in starting after labor day, missed days due to illness, weather, state testing etc, etc it is a herculean effort to finish the material. I am so lucky to teach the class in two years. I honestly don't know how people do it in one and not lose their minds.

This is why our kids have summer work if they are taking AP classes. To make sure they get through all the content.

Mine, too. They have weekly meetings and assignments for AP physics, several assignments due every few weeks for AP lang, some assignments for AP music theory, two or three papers for APUSH.

Except now they were just informed they can’t take Honors Precalc due to a scheduling issue (it’s only offered during required courses for their major) so they may end up in AP Stats without having done the summer work because they aren’t officially in the class yet so don’t have access to the google classroom, so it’s very frustrating that they’ll start a few units behind because the school didn’t know before summer that this issue would arise so classes are switching.

[imimahoney]

I really hate the summer work for AP kids and it's telling how unreasonable the AP curriculum is for that summer work has to be done.

If the only way for a teacher to finish the requirements is to assign 1 to 2 units over the summer then it is not adequately designed for high school.

I've assigned a novel over the summer before to enhance their overall knowledge but asking studends to teach themselves required content just sucks.

[imimahoney]

Aug 8, 2023 8:56:21 GMT -5 pugz said:

Aug 7, 2023 18:52:35 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

That's too bad.

The requirements today are more stringent than when we were in school. Required content begins with year 0 and students are expected to know through Obama.

All the while learning and mastering 4 different writing styles and a specific type of multiple choice questions that are based on source material.

Add in starting after labor day, missed days due to illness, weather, state testing etc, etc it is a herculean effort to finish the material. I am so lucky to teach the class in two years. I honestly don't know how people do it in one and not lose their minds.

That's interesting that there is a 2 year option! We started school in mid-August but I know during football season we watched a lot of Ken Burns films on Fridays. 

I don't know that a passing score on US history test would have gotten me any meaningful college credit though in restrospect. My 3 on European History got me out of the required semester of Western Civ. My AP lit score got me out of a semester of freshman English. I took some CLEP tests to get out of a couple of other general ed classes like biology and sociology. 

Massachusetts requires US History to taught over 2 years so that's why we can do it.

State schools in Mass require at least a 4 on APUSH for credit, with most competitive schools requiring a 5 so even kids who pass the test, most don't get credit.

[mccallister84]

Aug 8, 2023 9:27:53 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

I really hate the summer work for AP kids and it's telling how unreasonable the AP curriculum is for that summer work has to be done.

If the only way for a teacher to finish the requirements is to assign 1 to 2 units over the summer then it is not adequately designed for high school.

I've assigned a novel over the summer before to enhance their overall knowledge but asking studends to teach themselves required content just sucks.

Well there’s also a lot of inequity in schools that have already started back and schools that don’t go back until after Labor Day. Some students have an entire extra month of instruction before taking the exam.

[penguingrrl]

Aug 8, 2023 9:27:53 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

I really hate the summer work for AP kids and it's telling how unreasonable the AP curriculum is for that summer work has to be done.

If the only way for a teacher to finish the requirements is to assign 1 to 2 units over the summer then it is not adequately designed for high school.

I've assigned a novel over the summer before to enhance their overall knowledge but asking studends to teach themselves required content just sucks.

It is unreasonable, but since there’s a huge disparity in start dates but a seemingly uniform exam date, I don’t see how it’s avoidable. We still have over a month of school left after the AP tests and from what I understand those classes do little actual work in that month, which is also a waste, and we don’t start until over a month after other schools across the country.

[imimahoney]

Aug 8, 2023 9:52:59 GMT -5 mccallister84 said:

Aug 8, 2023 9:27:53 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

I really hate the summer work for AP kids and it's telling how unreasonable the AP curriculum is for that summer work has to be done.

If the only way for a teacher to finish the requirements is to assign 1 to 2 units over the summer then it is not adequately designed for high school.

I've assigned a novel over the summer before to enhance their overall knowledge but asking studends to teach themselves required content just sucks.

Well there’s also a lot of inequity in schools that have already started back and schools that don’t go back until after Labor Day. Some students have an entire extra month of instruction before taking the exam.

Of course! And it completely sucks that late starting schools miss an entire month of instruction.

[imimahoney]

Aug 8, 2023 10:05:50 GMT -5 penguingrrl said:

Aug 8, 2023 9:27:53 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

I really hate the summer work for AP kids and it's telling how unreasonable the AP curriculum is for that summer work has to be done.

If the only way for a teacher to finish the requirements is to assign 1 to 2 units over the summer then it is not adequately designed for high school.

I've assigned a novel over the summer before to enhance their overall knowledge but asking studends to teach themselves required content just sucks.

It is unreasonable, but since there’s a huge disparity in start dates but a seemingly uniform exam date, I don’t see how it’s avoidable. We still have over a month of school left after the AP tests and from what I understand those classes do little actual work in that month, which is also a waste, and we don’t start until over a month after other schools across the country.

I completely agree but in APUSH it's not just late starting schools who assign summer content work, it's pretty typical for a 1 year APUSH course to assign summer work. There is just too much to teach in not enough time.

[penguingrrl]

Aug 8, 2023 10:48:02 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

Aug 8, 2023 10:05:50 GMT -5 penguingrrl said:

It is unreasonable, but since there’s a huge disparity in start dates but a seemingly uniform exam date, I don’t see how it’s avoidable. We still have over a month of school left after the AP tests and from what I understand those classes do little actual work in that month, which is also a waste, and we don’t start until over a month after other schools across the country.

I completely agree but in APUSH it's not just late starting schools who assign summer content work, it's pretty typical for a 1 year APUSH course to assign summer work. There is just too much to teach in not enough time.

Makes sense. I took APUSH way back when, but wasn’t able to take the exam because my mom couldn’t afford it., but it was a lot of material. I loved it, but went on to become a historian so of course I did.

[Jalapeñomel]

Aug 8, 2023 8:56:56 GMT -5 formerlyak said:

Aug 8, 2023 8:54:00 GMT -5 pugz said:

We had summer work for AP lit, it was basically a long list of books they suggest we read so we'd have more material to use than just the books we read during the school year. 

We had this in the 90s when I took AP English.

But last summer was insanity for DS with his 4 AP classes. AP CSP had no homework. But he had to do 2 units of work for AP Chem, all the background basic doc review for APUSH and a pre-Calc review unit for AP Calc.

AP chem teacher here that assigns no summer work and gets through all the content and start after Labor Day! It’s 100% possible!

[abs]

I am not a teacher nor am I a student but wow this thread is stressing me out.

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Seems like dual credit is a better option for college bound kids then? Unless they want to go out of state…

[penguingrrl]

Aug 8, 2023 12:30:43 GMT -5 abs said:

I am not a teacher nor am I a student but wow this thread is stressing me out.

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Seems like dual credit is a better option for college bound kids then? Unless they want to go out of state…

In my kid’s school all the higher level classes (dual credit, AP, IB) have a ton of summer work. I’m not a fan at all and wonder when it started. I graduated from there in 99 and H did in 00 and neither of us had more than summer reading and maybe a few pages of math refresher that we could do the week school started. 

[pugz]

Aug 8, 2023 10:05:50 GMT -5 penguingrrl said:

Aug 8, 2023 9:27:53 GMT -5 imimahoney said:

I really hate the summer work for AP kids and it's telling how unreasonable the AP curriculum is for that summer work has to be done.

If the only way for a teacher to finish the requirements is to assign 1 to 2 units over the summer then it is not adequately designed for high school.

I've assigned a novel over the summer before to enhance their overall knowledge but asking studends to teach themselves required content just sucks.

It is unreasonable, but since there’s a huge disparity in start dates but a seemingly uniform exam date, I don’t see how it’s avoidable. We still have over a month of school left after the AP tests and from what I understand those classes do little actual work in that month, which is also a waste, and we don’t start until over a month after other schools across the country.

We had about 3 weeks after we tested in AP Lit and we used the time to watch the movie versions of lots of the books we'd read. Pride and Prejudice, Beloved, Hamlet.

We also watched Wizard of Oz synced up with Dark Side of the Moon. 

[penguingrrl]

Aug 8, 2023 13:03:44 GMT -5 pugz said:

Aug 8, 2023 10:05:50 GMT -5 penguingrrl said:

It is unreasonable, but since there’s a huge disparity in start dates but a seemingly uniform exam date, I don’t see how it’s avoidable. We still have over a month of school left after the AP tests and from what I understand those classes do little actual work in that month, which is also a waste, and we don’t start until over a month after other schools across the country.

We had about 3 weeks after we tested in AP Lit and we used the time to watch the movie versions of lots of the books we'd read. Pride and Prejudice, Beloved, Hamlet.

We also watched Wizard of Oz synced up with Dark Side of the Moon. 

That’s an awesome way to spend that time!

[basilosaurus]

Now Florida says it's ok to actually teach psychology.

thehill.com/homenews/education/4147795-florida-ap-psychology-allowed-schools/amp/

But the course has already been cancelled in many districts, students have rescheduled, etc.

What a clusterfuck. And people super this guy to run a country. At least he's not an outright criminal? Is that the low bar that's been set?

[Deleted]

Aug 10, 2023 19:25:50 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Now Florida says it's ok to actually teach psychology.

thehill.com/homenews/education/4147795-florida-ap-psychology-allowed-schools/amp/

But the course has already been cancelled in many districts, students have rescheduled, etc.

What a clusterfuck. And people super this guy to run a country. At least he's not an outright criminal? Is that the low bar that's been set?

He doesn’t have the charisma to be a criminal. The guy has all the personality of a box of rocks.

[basilosaurus]

Aug 10, 2023 19:53:02 GMT -5 @villainv said:

Aug 10, 2023 19:25:50 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Now Florida says it's ok to actually teach psychology.

thehill.com/homenews/education/4147795-florida-ap-psychology-allowed-schools/amp/

But the course has already been cancelled in many districts, students have rescheduled, etc.

What a clusterfuck. And people super this guy to run a country. At least he's not an outright criminal? Is that the low bar that's been set?

He doesn’t have the charisma to be a criminal. The guy has all the personality of a box of rocks.

yes, he definitely lacks the persona to be a good con man. He's no tinder swindler for sure.

Which in theory I'm fine with. Get in, do the job right, you don't need to make friends. Cue all the reality show contestants saying "I'm not here to make friends." But as a politician, that's also kinda the job.

Don't ask me to imagine a world where my 2 options are tfg and the Florida fuhrer. At least Ronnie's horribleness us seemingly backfiring with a quickness

[irishbride2]

Zero of our APs assign summer work. And we have a weird schedule where we see kids less often than other schools. It is completely doable. ALL Ap teachers (and I am one) feel like they have so much to get through in x amount of time. Its natural. But it is what it is. Heck, most schools teach my class a year course but I have to do it in a semester (AP micro). I feel the burn, and its hardly one of the "tough" APs.

That being said, I HATE AP and college board and wish it would go away.

[seeyalater52]

Aug 10, 2023 19:25:50 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Now Florida says it's ok to actually teach psychology.

thehill.com/homenews/education/4147795-florida-ap-psychology-allowed-schools/amp/

But the course has already been cancelled in many districts, students have rescheduled, etc.

What a clusterfuck. And people super this guy to run a country. At least he's not an outright criminal? Is that the low bar that's been set?

This would be more helpful if teaching the course in its entirety weren’t literally against state law. He can say whatever he wants, but teachers who move forward are absolutely risking their licenses and pretending they aren’t is really not helpful or fair.

[basilosaurus]

Aug 10, 2023 21:12:33 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Aug 10, 2023 19:25:50 GMT -5 basilosaurus said:

Now Florida says it's ok to actually teach psychology.

thehill.com/homenews/education/4147795-florida-ap-psychology-allowed-schools/amp/

But the course has already been cancelled in many districts, students have rescheduled, etc.

What a clusterfuck. And people super this guy to run a country. At least he's not an outright criminal? Is that the low bar that's been set?

This would be more helpful if teaching the course in its entirety weren’t literally against state law. He can say whatever he wants, but teachers who move forward are absolutely risking their licenses and pretending they aren’t is really not helpful or fair.

100% agree. He's trying to have it both ways and will fail in doing so.