Gaetz vs McCarthy

[pixy0stix]

Let's get ready to RUUMMMMMBLLLLLE!

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/01/matt-gaetz-kevin-mccarthy-house-speaker-shutdown-deal

[bronxgirl]

I hope they both destroy each other and Hakeem Jeffries stomps all over their bloody carcasses. More realistically ( or maybe not?) I hope they both knockoff the shenanigans and let congress get something done. But I really hope they both get humiliated here.

[4speedy]

I have a fantasy where the dems vote in favor of keeping McCarthy as speaker so McCarthy becomes the dems bitch and they leverage it to push through everything they want. But in reality I KNOW McCarthy will somehow screw over the dems who saved his speakership. I cannot tell you how many time I have rolled this over in my mind trying to figure out a way to make McCarthy our bitch with no way out.  The math never works.

[fortnightlily]

Oct 1, 2023 21:42:17 GMT -5 bronxgirl said:

I hope they both destroy each other and Hakeem Jeffries stomps all over their bloody carcasses. More realistically ( or maybe not?) I hope they both knockoff the shenanigans and let congress get something done. But I really hope they both get humiliated here.

Same. However, sadly the ability to feel humiliation requires a capacity for shame that I think a lot of these clowns lack.

[pixy0stix]

I listened to approximately 2 minutes of Gaetz grandstanding and had to watch something else.

[curbsideprophet]

The Speaker denied his right-flank the shutdown they wanted, so this week they’ll try to fire him.

x.com/jeffjacksonnc/status/1708914983470330005?s=46&t=RUgA08ta60klvRcdCewaGQ

[seeyalater52]

Oct 2, 2023 14:05:44 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

The Speaker denied his right-flank the shutdown they wanted, so this week they’ll try to fire him.

x.com/jeffjacksonnc/status/1708914983470330005?s=46&t=RUgA08ta60klvRcdCewaGQ

Such a good title lol.

To answer TR’s question from the other thread, this could potentially send us all back to the endless speaker race infighting we saw with McCarthy’s initial votes, basically a stalemate between Democrats (all voting for the same Dem speaker candidate) and the two warring factions of the R caucus trying to amass enough votes to rally behind a speaker with some wanting the current speaker and some trying to install someone more conservative. As we saw it can really drag out, so it’s awesome they’re focusing on this and not on the budget and other stuff that is actually important.

[TR]

Oct 2, 2023 16:25:23 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Oct 2, 2023 14:05:44 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

The Speaker denied his right-flank the shutdown they wanted, so this week they’ll try to fire him.

x.com/jeffjacksonnc/status/1708914983470330005?s=46&t=RUgA08ta60klvRcdCewaGQ

Such a good title lol.

To answer TR ’s question from the other thread, this could potentially send us all back to the endless speaker race infighting we saw with McCarthy’s initial votes, basically a stalemate between Democrats (all voting for the same Dem speaker candidate) and the two warring factions of the R caucus trying to amass enough votes to rally behind a speaker with some wanting the current speaker and some trying to install someone more conservative. As we saw it can really drag out, so it’s awesome they’re focusing on this and not on the budget and other stuff that is actually important.

Thank you! And I worry the Dems will be drawn into doing their "go high, for the good of the country" bullshit that the Rs don't give a shit about and vote McCarthy back just so they can't be blamed for the lingering shutdown (when that wouldn't be what's happening, but you know it's how it would get spun).

[seeyalater52]

Oct 2, 2023 16:30:16 GMT -5 TR said:

Oct 2, 2023 16:25:23 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Such a good title lol.

To answer TR ’s question from the other thread, this could potentially send us all back to the endless speaker race infighting we saw with McCarthy’s initial votes, basically a stalemate between Democrats (all voting for the same Dem speaker candidate) and the two warring factions of the R caucus trying to amass enough votes to rally behind a speaker with some wanting the current speaker and some trying to install someone more conservative. As we saw it can really drag out, so it’s awesome they’re focusing on this and not on the budget and other stuff that is actually important.

Thank you! And I worry the Dems will be drawn into doing their "go high, for the good of the country" bullshit that the Rs don't give a shit about and vote McCarthy back just so they can't be blamed for the lingering shutdown (when that wouldn't be what's happening, but you know it's how it would get spun).

I do know. But I am actually not worried about that particular scenario. The Dem House caucus has been very tightly held so I doubt there will be any rogue actors in their strategic decision-making. One of the times I actually trust Dem leadership.

[TR]

Oct 2, 2023 16:47:20 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Oct 2, 2023 16:30:16 GMT -5 TR said:

Thank you! And I worry the Dems will be drawn into doing their "go high, for the good of the country" bullshit that the Rs don't give a shit about and vote McCarthy back just so they can't be blamed for the lingering shutdown (when that wouldn't be what's happening, but you know it's how it would get spun).

I do know. But I am actually not worried about that particular scenario. The Dem House caucus has been very tightly held so I doubt there will be any rogue actors in their strategic decision-making. One of the times I actually trust Dem leadership.

This is reassuring! Thanks

[melissa]

There is a vote coming up shortly to table/kill motion to remove Speaker McCarthy. I'm assuming that is just to see if they want to bring the motion forward but I'm sure someone smarter than me can correct me.

[pixy0stix]

McCarthy is a dick (obviously). He's not allowing a pause in votes for Feinstein's funeral - www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/03/congress/california-dems-postponement-ask-00119698?cid=politico_threads

[Bernadine]

I’m following the live updates on NBC News. Doesn’t seem like it looks good for McCarthy.

[pixy0stix]

Dem leadership is indicating they will vote to oust McCarthy.


thehill.com/homenews/house/4236198-jeffries-on-backing-mccarthy-ouster/

[Bernadine]

Oct 3, 2023 13:41:24 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Dem leadership is indicating they will vote to oust McCarthy.


thehill.com/homenews/house/4236198-jeffries-on-backing-mccarthy-ouster/

They’ve all held together so far on the motion to table.

[curbsideprophet]

Motion to table failed. Now it sounds like both sides get 30 minutes to present their case.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/03/kevin-mccarthy-house-speaker-vote-2/

[mcsangel2]

Well who the fuck do they want to elect Speaker if not McCarthy?? You have a continuing resolution re the government shutdown to work on that will expire in 45- days, goddammit.

[TR]

Oct 3, 2023 15:26:19 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Well who the fuck do they want to elect Speaker if not McCarthy?? You have a continuing resolution re the government shutdown to work on that will expire in 45- days, goddammit.

IMO, they just want to sow chaos. That’s their only goal. So if the government shuts down, great!

[curbsideprophet]

Oct 3, 2023 15:29:59 GMT -5 TR said:

Oct 3, 2023 15:26:19 GMT -5 mcsangel2 said:

Well who the fuck do they want to elect Speaker if not McCarthy?? You have a continuing resolution re the government shutdown to work on that will expire in 45- days, goddammit.

IMO, they just want to sow chaos. That’s their only goal. So if the government shuts down, great!

I agree, they were willing to shut it down this weekend. They probably see a shutdown as a positive. I am not optimistic about the next 45 days. If the remove McCarthy and there is no Speaker, are they allowed to work on budget stuff while they figure out a speaker? Or does the House basically come to a halt?

[mrshandy]

He's toast.

[cous0226]

Lol forever and ever with these morons.

[1confused1]

The amount of historical political stuff that has gone on these last few years is unreal. What a time to be alive!

[pinkdutchtulips]

McCarthy has been ousted. Things just got really interesting.

[aurora]

So, where do we go from here?

[pixy0stix]

I think (hope?) that the Ds are going to work with moderate Rs to elect someone.

[mrsd2006]

Wow. Bye Kev. Sucks to be you.

[ssmjlm]

They should have just let the shutdown happen. This is ridiculous.

[heat40]

I’m confused. We hate McCarthy obviously. Buy Gaetz did all of this because McCarthy wasn’t extreme enough? So they’re going to put up who? Someone more extreme? And if Dems try to make a deal with mod conservatives to put someone up, wouldn’t they just suffer the same fate that McCarthy did?

What a shit show for real.

[pixy0stix]

Once again we find ourselves in unprecedented times.

[spindle92]

I wish I had a time machine so I could go forward 20 years from now and see how bad historians laugh at us.
(that is if things actually get better but I truly do not know how much worse it could get.)