Gaetz vs McCarthy

[seeyalater52]

Oct 4, 2023 5:50:38 GMT -5 neverfstop said:

Oct 3, 2023 20:18:54 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

McHenry ordered Pelosi to leave her Capitol hideaway office by Wednesday

www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/03/congress/mchenry-pelosi-hideaway-office-house-remove-00119803

By NICHOLAS WU and DANIELLA DIAZ
10/03/2023, 7:56PM ETUPDATED: 10/03/2023, 8:48PM ET

As one of his first acts as the acting speaker, Rep. Patrick McHenry ordered former Speaker Nancy Pelosi to vacate her Capitol hideaway office by Wednesday, according to an email sent to her office viewed by POLITICO.

What an asshole....like was this just about a personal grievance with her? If McCarthy didn't kick her out...what's this dude's problem? 

Also, she was in CA for Feinstein's funeral & this seems especially like an asshole move if McHenry really should be focusing on other things...

It’s just to be a dick. It’s a traditional courtesy for a former Speaker to retain a hideaway office, at least according to modern convention.

[livinitup]

Oct 3, 2023 20:18:54 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

McHenry ordered Pelosi to leave her Capitol hideaway office by Wednesday

www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/03/congress/mchenry-pelosi-hideaway-office-house-remove-00119803

By NICHOLAS WU and DANIELLA DIAZ
10/03/2023, 7:56PM ETUPDATED: 10/03/2023, 8:48PM ET

As one of his first acts as the acting speaker, Rep. Patrick McHenry ordered former Speaker Nancy Pelosi to vacate her Capitol hideaway office by Wednesday, according to an email sent to her office viewed by POLITICO.

Fun Fact: This is also the TOP STORY on Fox News. The actual ousting of the Republican Speaker is not even a story until the bottom of the page - and even that is written a “villain or foe” about Matt Gaetz.

I guess pettiness gets the clicks.

[4speedy]

Oct 3, 2023 22:18:06 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Oct 3, 2023 20:18:54 GMT -5 curbsideprophet said:

McHenry ordered Pelosi to leave her Capitol hideaway office by Wednesday

www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/03/congress/mchenry-pelosi-hideaway-office-house-remove-00119803

By NICHOLAS WU and DANIELLA DIAZ
10/03/2023, 7:56PM ETUPDATED: 10/03/2023, 8:48PM ET

As one of his first acts as the acting speaker, Rep. Patrick McHenry ordered former Speaker Nancy Pelosi to vacate her Capitol hideaway office by Wednesday, according to an email sent to her office viewed by POLITICO.

Dems will come for him too.

He did this to Pelosi AND it was while she was at Feinstein’s memorial?

Dems aren’t just going to come for him…they’re coming with a fucking vengeance.

Good luck with your speakership, lol.

[4speedy]

Can I please suggest that every last person who sees this today donate to the Dem House candidate of your choice and do it TODAY. Take a play out of the GQP’s playbook. Let them see a direct result of their nonsense will be increased fundraising for Dem’s.

And if you are so moved, let us know who you donated to.

I just looked up who is running in Elissa Slotkin’s current House district while she makes a move and runs for the Senate.  It’s a very very swingy House district and will be a tight race.  The Dem candidate is Curtis Hertel, who until recently was Governor Whitmer’s Chief of Legislative Affairs.  If you are feeling it today, he would be a good candidate to donate to in order to keep this house seat blue.  I just donated money to Hertel and signed up to phone bank for Slotkin.

[seeyalater52]

Oct 3, 2023 18:15:24 GMT -5 erbear said:

Oct 3, 2023 17:37:53 GMT -5 notsopicky said:

My H asked why all of the Democrats voted to oust McCarthy, knowing what would happen. I didn't know how to answer that. Jayapal said tonight on CNN that no Democrat would ever vote for a Republican speaker, but I didn't hear her address the reason for voting to oust KM. I'm sure both H and I appear very dumb in this moment, but I am trying to learn.

I assume because he was playing politics all this time and they were not here to bail him out. My optimistic side says that the more moderate (ish) Republicans might try to nominate someone that they can get the Dems to vote for. The MAGA crazy block was 8 people today, right? So they can keep calling for a Speaker vote but if someone relative palatable is in the role, it won't matter.

This is my hope. I know it's not likely. I think the government will shut down in November.

This is not to pick on you specifically bc I’ve seen this a lot, but what incentive is there for Democrats to vote en masse for a Republican speaker candidate and why would they do that? This is of course suspending disbelief because there are very very few actual moderate Republican House members to finagle this in the first place.

I’m so curious why the sentiment isn’t that Democrats should find someone to nominate who would appeal to the what 5-6 Republican votes they’d need to win a speaker? Not only is that more plausible politically, it would actually be in Democrats’ practical favor AND give them a political win AND do so without damage to the optics of the cohesion of Dem caucus while reinforcing that Republicans are a mess.

All major upsides and no real downsides. If anyone should be pressured to make a concession to keep the govt open it should be a small handful of moderate Republicans breaking with the crazy train and signaling that they’re not going to go down with that ship. Yet barely anyone seems to be suggesting this publicly.

[noodleoo]

Oct 4, 2023 9:53:19 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Oct 3, 2023 18:15:24 GMT -5 erbear said:

I assume because he was playing politics all this time and they were not here to bail him out. My optimistic side says that the more moderate (ish) Republicans might try to nominate someone that they can get the Dems to vote for. The MAGA crazy block was 8 people today, right? So they can keep calling for a Speaker vote but if someone relative palatable is in the role, it won't matter.

This is my hope. I know it's not likely. I think the government will shut down in November.

This is not to pick on you specifically bc I’ve seen this a lot, but what incentive is there for Democrats to vote en masse for a Republican speaker candidate and why would they do that? This is of course suspending disbelief because there are very very few actual moderate Republican House members to finagle this in the first place.

I’m so curious why the sentiment isn’t that Democrats should find someone to nominate who would appeal to the what 5-6 Republican votes they’d need to win a speaker? Not only is that more plausible politically, it would actually be in Democrats’ practical favor AND give them a political win AND do so without damage to the optics of the cohesion of Dem caucus while reinforcing that Republicans are a mess.

All major upsides and no real downsides. If anyone should be pressured to make a concession to keep the govt open it should be a small handful of moderate Republicans breaking with the crazy train and signaling that they’re not going to go down with that ship. Yet barely anyone seems to be suggesting this publicly.

THIS.  The Republicans are burning down the house and it frustrates me that everyone keeps suggesting the Dems should compromise to "save democracy".   How about the Republicans either grow up or face some consequences for the chaos that their side is creating?  Why is it up to the Dems to "keep the peace"?

I feel like this is the result of the "they go low, we go high" mentality.  We tried that, it didn't work.  Let them reap what they sow.  Yes it will be painful, but maybe this is the only thing that will wake up the morons who keep voting for these assholes.

[seeyalater52]

Oct 4, 2023 10:04:21 GMT -5 noodleoo said:

Oct 4, 2023 9:53:19 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

This is not to pick on you specifically bc I’ve seen this a lot, but what incentive is there for Democrats to vote en masse for a Republican speaker candidate and why would they do that? This is of course suspending disbelief because there are very very few actual moderate Republican House members to finagle this in the first place.

I’m so curious why the sentiment isn’t that Democrats should find someone to nominate who would appeal to the what 5-6 Republican votes they’d need to win a speaker? Not only is that more plausible politically, it would actually be in Democrats’ practical favor AND give them a political win AND do so without damage to the optics of the cohesion of Dem caucus while reinforcing that Republicans are a mess.

All major upsides and no real downsides. If anyone should be pressured to make a concession to keep the govt open it should be a small handful of moderate Republicans breaking with the crazy train and signaling that they’re not going to go down with that ship. Yet barely anyone seems to be suggesting this publicly.

THIS.  The Republicans are burning down the house and it frustrates me that everyone keeps suggesting the Dems should compromise to "save democracy".   How about the Republicans either grow up or face some consequences for the chaos that their side is creating?  Why is it up to the Dems to "keep the peace"?

I feel like this is the result of the "they go low, we go high" mentality.  We tried that, it didn't work.  Let them reap what they sow.  Yes it will be painful, but maybe this is the only thing that will wake up the morons who keep voting for these assholes.

And yet the same people also never shut up about accusing Democrats of being unstrategic and their own worst enemies - you can’t have it both ways!!

I feel badly for folks who are caught in the middle as a government shutdown impacts them personally, but as much as I agree there needs to be a path forward for passing a viable budget, I absolutely do NOT think House Democrats owe the country or the Republican Party to hand deliver that outcome while everyone else sits back and does fuck all. Trading a government shutdown for the consolidation of political power in the Republican caucus in the House when they already have SUCH a slim margin is a tactical error that would be felt politically for a long long time.

[mrshandy]

Oct 4, 2023 10:04:21 GMT -5 noodleoo said:

Oct 4, 2023 9:53:19 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

This is not to pick on you specifically bc I’ve seen this a lot, but what incentive is there for Democrats to vote en masse for a Republican speaker candidate and why would they do that? This is of course suspending disbelief because there are very very few actual moderate Republican House members to finagle this in the first place.

I’m so curious why the sentiment isn’t that Democrats should find someone to nominate who would appeal to the what 5-6 Republican votes they’d need to win a speaker? Not only is that more plausible politically, it would actually be in Democrats’ practical favor AND give them a political win AND do so without damage to the optics of the cohesion of Dem caucus while reinforcing that Republicans are a mess.

All major upsides and no real downsides. If anyone should be pressured to make a concession to keep the govt open it should be a small handful of moderate Republicans breaking with the crazy train and signaling that they’re not going to go down with that ship. Yet barely anyone seems to be suggesting this publicly.

THIS.  The Republicans are burning down the house and it frustrates me that everyone keeps suggesting the Dems should compromise to "save democracy".   How about the Republicans either grow up or face some consequences for the chaos that their side is creating?  Why is it up to the Dems to "keep the peace"?

I feel like this is the result of the "they go low, we go high" mentality.  We tried that, it didn't work.  Let them reap what they sow.  Yes it will be painful, but maybe this is the only thing that will wake up the morons who keep voting for these assholes.

I don't know. I don't think anyone wins if the government goes into chaos. It means lower turnout in elections, frustration with government and apathy. A government shutdown hurts both parties and could hurt Ds in swing counties. The Rs theoretically have the power. They can vote in whomever they want assuming they can agree. Jim Jordan has announced he's running which is to me would be a huge blow for the Ds. 

It's a tough position to be in, but the D's should be trying to get what they can out of this chaos and portraying themselves as reasonable. Otherwise what's the solution? Deadlock and a government shutdown? People's livelihoods are dependent on the government staying open. It goes beyond the HQ DC employees. 

Personally, if I believe that if we leave the R's to find a way out of this mess, it could blow up with a swarmy insane speaker like Jordan or someone else. They need to step in and rescue the country because that's the narrative we want out there. 

But I can see both sides. I just worry about the consequences since they will hit very close to home. Full disclosure my agency won't be affected by a shutdown, but I know so many that will. My agency was in the middle of a political showdown a couple of years ago. We were going to be furloughed and NO ONE (Rs and Ds) was willing to help. It was heartbreaking and so stressful and a shitty place to be in.

[pixy0stix]

Oct 4, 2023 10:34:25 GMT -5 mrshandy said:

Oct 4, 2023 10:04:21 GMT -5 noodleoo said:

THIS.  The Republicans are burning down the house and it frustrates me that everyone keeps suggesting the Dems should compromise to "save democracy".   How about the Republicans either grow up or face some consequences for the chaos that their side is creating?  Why is it up to the Dems to "keep the peace"?

I feel like this is the result of the "they go low, we go high" mentality.  We tried that, it didn't work.  Let them reap what they sow.  Yes it will be painful, but maybe this is the only thing that will wake up the morons who keep voting for these assholes.

I don't know. I don't think anyone wins if the government goes into chaos. It means lower turnout in elections, frustration with government and apathy. A government shutdown hurts both parties and could hurt Ds in swing counties. The Rs theoretically have the power. They can vote in whomever they want assuming they can agree. Jim Jordan has announced he's running which is to me would be a huge blow for the Ds. 

It's a tough position to be in, but the D's should be trying to get what they can out of this chaos and portraying themselves as reasonable. Otherwise what's the solution? Deadlock and a government shutdown? People's livelihoods are dependent on the government staying open. It goes beyond the HQ DC employees. 

Personally, if I believe that if we leave the R's to find a way out of this mess, it could blow up with a swarmy insane speaker like Jordan or someone else. They need to step in and rescue the country because that's the narrative we want out there. 

But I can see both sides. I just worry about the consequences since they will hit very close to home. Full disclosure my agency won't be affected by a shutdown, but I know so many that will. My agency was in the middle of a political showdown a couple of years ago. We were going to be furloughed and NO ONE (Rs and Ds) was willing to help. It was heartbreaking and so stressful and a shitty place to be in.

How have the Ds, throughout this entire mess, not portrayed themselves as reasonable?

[pixy0stix]

I'm finding it fascinating that instead of circling the wagons on their party and trying to shore up where they can, the Rs are still focused on "giving it to the Libs."

Bro, your party was the one that fractured and voted your frat buddy out. Perhaps be petty towards them?

[Velar Fricative]

Oct 4, 2023 9:53:19 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Oct 3, 2023 18:15:24 GMT -5 erbear said:

I assume because he was playing politics all this time and they were not here to bail him out. My optimistic side says that the more moderate (ish) Republicans might try to nominate someone that they can get the Dems to vote for. The MAGA crazy block was 8 people today, right? So they can keep calling for a Speaker vote but if someone relative palatable is in the role, it won't matter.

This is my hope. I know it's not likely. I think the government will shut down in November.

This is not to pick on you specifically bc I’ve seen this a lot, but what incentive is there for Democrats to vote en masse for a Republican speaker candidate and why would they do that? This is of course suspending disbelief because there are very very few actual moderate Republican House members to finagle this in the first place.

I’m so curious why the sentiment isn’t that Democrats should find someone to nominate who would appeal to the what 5-6 Republican votes they’d need to win a speaker? Not only is that more plausible politically, it would actually be in Democrats’ practical favor AND give them a political win AND do so without damage to the optics of the cohesion of Dem caucus while reinforcing that Republicans are a mess.

All major upsides and no real downsides. If anyone should be pressured to make a concession to keep the govt open it should be a small handful of moderate Republicans breaking with the crazy train and signaling that they’re not going to go down with that ship. Yet barely anyone seems to be suggesting this publicly.

This wouldn't be unprecedented either in this country, if it happens. The Republicans had control of New York's state legislature not too long ago despite Democrats being the majority. That was Cuomo's fault too. Maybe it's happened in other states as well. So the Ds can stand firm and say they'll only vote for a Democrat as speaker because they're already in the minority, so what do they have to lose? 

But, I also don't expect Jeffries or whomever to become Speaker either, unless there are several Republicans willing to risk their own re-elections. I still think what you posted is the way to go for Ds though.

[mrshandy]

Oct 4, 2023 10:42:31 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Oct 4, 2023 10:34:25 GMT -5 mrshandy said:

I don't know. I don't think anyone wins if the government goes into chaos. It means lower turnout in elections, frustration with government and apathy. A government shutdown hurts both parties and could hurt Ds in swing counties. The Rs theoretically have the power. They can vote in whomever they want assuming they can agree. Jim Jordan has announced he's running which is to me would be a huge blow for the Ds. 

It's a tough position to be in, but the D's should be trying to get what they can out of this chaos and portraying themselves as reasonable. Otherwise what's the solution? Deadlock and a government shutdown? People's livelihoods are dependent on the government staying open. It goes beyond the HQ DC employees. 

Personally, if I believe that if we leave the R's to find a way out of this mess, it could blow up with a swarmy insane speaker like Jordan or someone else. They need to step in and rescue the country because that's the narrative we want out there. 

But I can see both sides. I just worry about the consequences since they will hit very close to home. Full disclosure my agency won't be affected by a shutdown, but I know so many that will. My agency was in the middle of a political showdown a couple of years ago. We were going to be furloughed and NO ONE (Rs and Ds) was willing to help. It was heartbreaking and so stressful and a shitty place to be in.

How have the Ds, throughout this entire mess, not portrayed themselves as reasonable?

They have been navigating this very well! Hats off to Jeffries so far. I just hope they continue to play their cards right so we don't end up with a crazy as speaker like Jordan because no one wins when that happens. We can let the Rs fight as much as they want. But they may wake up one day soon and unite when they realize they have the power. We do not. It's all about the numbers IMHO. 

[ellipses84]

Oct 4, 2023 10:42:31 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Oct 4, 2023 10:34:25 GMT -5 mrshandy said:

How have the Ds, throughout this entire mess, not portrayed themselves as reasonable?

That reminds me of this…

[Velar Fricative]

mrshandy , my initial inclination is always to think the way you're mentioning. I want reason in our government. But the fact of the matter is, there is no good Republican in the House that we could or should actually support - just awful, terrible or most terrible. McCarthy himself sometimes did non-BSC things every once in a while, but he has clearly shown he'll still pander to the extremists in the end. So I'm trying to be realistic and will just hope and expect the Democrats stick together on this with a plan that doesn't involve extending an undeserved olive branch to Republicans when you know even the most moderate Republican in the House will not turn their back on the extremists. This shit is on them, not on the Ds.

[4speedy]

Oct 4, 2023 9:53:19 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Oct 3, 2023 18:15:24 GMT -5 erbear said:

I assume because he was playing politics all this time and they were not here to bail him out. My optimistic side says that the more moderate (ish) Republicans might try to nominate someone that they can get the Dems to vote for. The MAGA crazy block was 8 people today, right? So they can keep calling for a Speaker vote but if someone relative palatable is in the role, it won't matter.

This is my hope. I know it's not likely. I think the government will shut down in November.

This is not to pick on you specifically bc I’ve seen this a lot, but what incentive is there for Democrats to vote en masse for a Republican speaker candidate and why would they do that? This is of course suspending disbelief because there are very very few actual moderate Republican House members to finagle this in the first place.

I’m so curious why the sentiment isn’t that Democrats should find someone to nominate who would appeal to the what 5-6 Republican votes they’d need to win a speaker? Not only is that more plausible politically, it would actually be in Democrats’ practical favor AND give them a political win AND do so without damage to the optics of the cohesion of Dem caucus while reinforcing that Republicans are a mess.

All major upsides and no real downsides. If anyone should be pressured to make a concession to keep the govt open it should be a small handful of moderate Republicans breaking with the crazy train and signaling that they’re not going to go down with that ship. Yet barely anyone seems to be suggesting this publicly.

This is a great idea but as someone said upthread, the rule to vacate stays in effect until the end of the term.  If there was a Dem speaker, the GQP would make a motion to vacate every.single.day between now and then.  I can’t think of one single Dem who would be willing to be that sacrificial pig.

[pixy0stix]

I read this analysis/opinion today - Why is protecting the institutions largely the Democrat's responsibility? (gift link) wapo.st/3RHPNtt


And it kicked off a train of thought where, when you really look at what's happening, it's clear that the Rs rail against the "institution" as a performative measure for their base, but rely on the Ds to keep the institutions running. Without the institution as a backstop, they, the Rs, lose because they're too fractured to continue.

[livinitup]

Does blaming the Dems and looking to the Dems to concede & fix this feel like every expectation to “be the grown up” in every dysfunctional family discussion? “Don’t ruin the holidays” I AM NOT THE ONE RUINING THE HOLIDAYS, MOM.

[pixy0stix]

Why Rule 26 is trending amid talk of Trump as next Speaker - thehill.com/homenews/house/4238156-why-rule-26-is-trending-trump-speaker/

Rule 26 is included in the House Republican Conference Rules of the 118th Congress, which was approved in January.

It states that a “member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed.”

LOLforever

[msmerymac]

Oct 3, 2023 16:00:54 GMT -5 heat40 said:

I’m confused. We hate McCarthy obviously. Buy Gaetz did all of this because McCarthy wasn’t extreme enough? So they’re going to put up who? Someone more extreme? And if Dems try to make a deal with mod conservatives to put someone up, wouldn’t they just suffer the same fate that McCarthy did?

What a shit show for real.

They can change the rules - part of the compromise of getting McCarthy in there in the first place was the rule that one person could call for a vote of no-confidence. When Pelosi was there, you needed a majority of the ruling party to vote on bringing removal to the floor.

[tealblue]

McCarthy behind kicking Pelosi out of her office so he can move into it

apple.news/AcATX5J3XThO-TTwmO4nTpQ

[erbear]

Oct 4, 2023 9:53:19 GMT -5 seeyalater52 said:

Oct 3, 2023 18:15:24 GMT -5 erbear said:

I assume because he was playing politics all this time and they were not here to bail him out. My optimistic side says that the more moderate (ish) Republicans might try to nominate someone that they can get the Dems to vote for. The MAGA crazy block was 8 people today, right? So they can keep calling for a Speaker vote but if someone relative palatable is in the role, it won't matter.

This is my hope. I know it's not likely. I think the government will shut down in November.

This is not to pick on you specifically bc I’ve seen this a lot, but what incentive is there for Democrats to vote en masse for a Republican speaker candidate and why would they do that? This is of course suspending disbelief because there are very very few actual moderate Republican House members to finagle this in the first place.

I’m so curious why the sentiment isn’t that Democrats should find someone to nominate who would appeal to the what 5-6 Republican votes they’d need to win a speaker? Not only is that more plausible politically, it would actually be in Democrats’ practical favor AND give them a political win AND do so without damage to the optics of the cohesion of Dem caucus while reinforcing that Republicans are a mess.

All major upsides and no real downsides. If anyone should be pressured to make a concession to keep the govt open it should be a small handful of moderate Republicans breaking with the crazy train and signaling that they’re not going to go down with that ship. Yet barely anyone seems to be suggesting this publicly.

Yeah, I didn't really even think about that option (I didn't know that the Speaker could be from the non-majority party). My current thinking is that people will continue to suffer without a functional government, so that's where my thought came from.

[bronxgirl]

Oct 4, 2023 11:38:50 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Does blaming the Dems and looking to the Dems to concede & fix this feel like every expectation to “be the grown up” in every dysfunctional family discussion? “Don’t ruin the holidays” I AM NOT THE ONE RUINING THE HOLIDAYS, MOM.

That's exactly what it sounds like.  Typical gaslighting of abuse victims. And just like in abusive situations, it never works. There is NOTHING the Democrats can do to get the Republicans to do their jobs. 

[seeyalater52]

Oct 4, 2023 16:35:24 GMT -5 bronxgirl said:

Oct 4, 2023 11:38:50 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Does blaming the Dems and looking to the Dems to concede & fix this feel like every expectation to “be the grown up” in every dysfunctional family discussion? “Don’t ruin the holidays” I AM NOT THE ONE RUINING THE HOLIDAYS, MOM.

That's exactly what it sounds like.  Typical gaslighting if abuse victims. And just like in abusive situations, it never works. There is NOTHING the democrats can do to get the Republicans to do their jobs. 

Especially because Republicans ARE doing this because THEY consider it their job to dismantle and make ineffective whole parts of federal and state governments. It’s the mainstream platform at this point. This is all exactly by design. The only way to combat it is to refuse to elect people who want to shut down the government and all the cascading harms that result. Congress and procedural rules and negotiation can’t actually fix this.

[Jalapeñomel]

It still boggles my mind that the voices of few seem to have the most power—-nothing democratic about it in my mind.

[cous0226]

So both Jordan and Scalise really want it. I don’t know who Gaetz and kray crew are tighter with. They are both apparently making calls for support. This should be interesting. I wonder if they need the dems again. I assume Jordan is a hard no.

[bronxgirl]

Oct 4, 2023 17:34:26 GMT -5 cous0226 said:

So both Jordan and Scalise really want it. I don’t know who Gaetz and kray crew are tighter with. They are both apparently making calls for support. This should be interesting. I wonder if they need the dems again. I assume Jordan is a hard no.

I thought that Gaetz was close with Jordan, but I could be wrong.  My impression is that Scalise is more dangerous than Jordan, but I could be wrong.  They are both evil, but Scalise seems a little smarter and more serious than Jordan the screeching buffoon. 

[Nugget T. Brain, The OG]

Oct 4, 2023 10:54:35 GMT -5 mrshandy said:

Oct 4, 2023 10:42:31 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

How have the Ds, throughout this entire mess, not portrayed themselves as reasonable?

They have been navigating this very well! Hats off to Jeffries so far. I just hope they continue to play their cards right so we don't end up with a crazy as speaker like Jordan because no one wins when that happens. We can let the Rs fight as much as they want. But they may wake up one day soon and unite when they realize they have the power. We do not. It's all about the numbers IMHO. 

You're talking about this like the D's are dealing with reasonable people and therefore should appear reasonable themselves.

They are not.

They also are not going to wake up one day, because they have elected a bunch of ideologues into office that are incapable of negotiation and reason and the House does not have a McConnell to manhandle the outliers into line.  Until MTG, Gaetz, Boebert and the rest of their ilk are out of office they will continue to infight.  

[ellipses84]

The other day I was like, what was that one guys name? I think it had Ryan in it? He was synonymous with the Republican Party only a few years ago and then he dropped off the face of the planet… oh yeah… 😂

[pixy0stix]

(Tapatalk seems to have glitched - I cleaned up all the posts)

[cous0226]

oh my this is going to get so UGLY. So there is talk of all 3 candidates doing an interview on Fox News next week with Brett Beiar.
Also trump endorsed Jim Jordan overnight.
I don't think all the R's are all "maga" in private and really think it's gonna be a battle.