Karen Read Murder Trial

[mae0111]

litskispeciality I haven’t watched the Canton town meeting either, t the people want the chief of police removed and the board of selectmen just renewed her contract over the objections of just about everyone in attendance.

She literally just ran someone over in her police car while they were in a crosswalk wearing reflective gear. Shes getting sued, and she town will likely be sued as well. She tried to bury it, but TB dug it up.

It was under her watch as interim police chief, I believe, that this whole KR debacle took place.

And who’s the head of the board of selectmen? Chris Albert. Who also hot and killed someone while OUI and fled the scene. Everyone in that freaking town is drinking, driving, and running people over… except, apparently, Karen Read.

ETA: And I agree about the OK family. Mr OK is a kind and gentle man. I feel horrible for him. The rumors that he was very close to Karen and really liked her a lot. I don’t think he is siding with his wife and son.

[fluffycookie]

mae0111, the family of the man she hit said he suffered several broken bones in his legs and had surgery, yet JO had no broken bones.

I saw this morning that her contract was only renewed for 1 year instead of 3 years.

[litskispeciality]

Damn eet I just saw an update that the jury sent a note to Judge Bev that they can't come to a unanimous decision. Judge said go have lunch and then re deliberate. There has to be at least one person who came in ready to convict KR right?

[fluffycookie]

Jun 28, 2024 12:21:27 GMT -5 litskispeciality said:

Damn eet I just saw an update that the jury sent a note to Judge Bev that they can't come to a unanimous decision. Judge said go have lunch and then re deliberate. There has to be at least one person who came in ready to convict KR right?

I saw somewhere yesterday that the foreman is a retired police officer, but I am so skeptical because if I was the defense the last juror I would want is an ex cop.

[litskispeciality]

Jun 28, 2024 12:45:09 GMT -5 fluffycookie said:

Jun 28, 2024 12:21:27 GMT -5 litskispeciality said:

Damn eet I just saw an update that the jury sent a note to Judge Bev that they can't come to a unanimous decision. Judge said go have lunch and then re deliberate. There has to be at least one person who came in ready to convict KR right?

I saw somewhere yesterday that the foreman is a retired police officer, but I am so skeptical because if I was the defense the last juror I would want is an ex cop.

JFC and correct me if I'm wrong, but the judge put an order the the police and anyone in the law enforcement umbrella aren't allowed to wear their uniforms in court, so shouldn't they try to have a no police on the jury thing too? Not sure how you can do that legally, or if the person is retired, left the profession etc. Either way yeah I wouldn't want this ex cop on the jury either. I just don't see how they can be impartial.

[devonpow]

This is another example of how the conspiracy theorists/Free Karen Read people are just piling more conspiracy theories on now. There is currently SO much “the foreman is a police officer!”, “there is clearly a plant in the jury!”, “the judge did XYZ which she has never done and shows she’s in on it!”. No joke, they are now saying the judge is a part of the “conspiracy to frame her”.

Now I’m not saying she’s definitely guilty or that the police acted in any reasonable type of way. But the TurtleBoy blogger (who is a QAnon conspiracy theorist) has just turned a big group of people here into another giant conspiracy group. They are outside the courthouse literally weeping and claiming truly insane things. It’s very MAGA outside of trump’s trial etc. Honestly I think there’s plenty of reasonable doubt but I bet some jurors looked at the defense’s “massive conspiracy involving dozens of people and various organizations to frame this one woman” and thought it was such bullshit that she was therefore guilty. If the defense hadn’t gone for such a crazy involved cover up story and stuck with plain “we don’t know what happened - there’s doubt and a bad investigation” she would have been found not guilty already.

[klee23]

I didn't hear about the trial until it was posted here (or possibly ML) a few weeks ago. I find the theories interesting but have gone all in on any of them. I started by thinking the 3rd party altercation was a last ditch effort to stay out of jail but over the past few weeks I think it's reasonable to find her not guilty (and possibly truly innocent!).

I think the defense nailed the few witnesses they called. The two accident reconstruction experts nailed their testimony, have science to back it up and were contracted by a "neutral" party that we are privy to know the identity of (the FBI). The plow driver who said there was no body @230 and a fird edge was parked there with later snow removal. The ME / dog bite expert who indicated there may be signs of an altercation with a dog- not 100% but can explain away the arm injuries. None of them have a personal link to anyone in the case or a vendetta to prove things one way or another

[fluffycookie]

Jun 28, 2024 19:00:04 GMT -5 devonpow said:

This is another example of how the conspiracy theorists/Free Karen Read people are just piling more conspiracy theories on now. There is currently SO much “the foreman is a police officer!”, “there is clearly a plant in the jury!”, “the judge did XYZ which she has never done and shows she’s in on it!”. No joke, they are now saying the judge is a part of the “conspiracy to frame her”.

Now I’m not saying she’s definitely guilty or that the police acted in any reasonable type of way. But the TurtleBoy blogger (who is a QAnon conspiracy theorist) has just turned a big group of people here into another giant conspiracy group. They are outside the courthouse literally weeping and claiming truly insane things. It’s very MAGA outside of trump’s trial etc. Honestly I think there’s plenty of reasonable doubt but I bet some jurors looked at the defense’s “massive conspiracy involving dozens of people and various organizations to frame this one woman” and thought it was such bullshit that she was therefore guilty. If the defense hadn’t gone for such a crazy involved cover up story and stuck with plain “we don’t know what happened - there’s doubt and a bad investigation” she would have been found not guilty already.

I think the conspiracy theories are coming because people expected a quick not guilty. The state didn’t prove their case, the defense had two independently hired experts who said the science didn’t match him getting hit, the states own ME affirmed that the injuries were not typical with a pedestrian accident. When you have all of that and some very connected people, people start to freak out that there is something shady going on.

[mae0111]

Jun 29, 2024 10:59:41 GMT -5 fluffycookie said:

Jun 28, 2024 19:00:04 GMT -5 devonpow said:

This is another example of how the conspiracy theorists/Free Karen Read people are just piling more conspiracy theories on now. There is currently SO much “the foreman is a police officer!”, “there is clearly a plant in the jury!”, “the judge did XYZ which she has never done and shows she’s in on it!”. No joke, they are now saying the judge is a part of the “conspiracy to frame her”.

Now I’m not saying she’s definitely guilty or that the police acted in any reasonable type of way. But the TurtleBoy blogger (who is a QAnon conspiracy theorist) has just turned a big group of people here into another giant conspiracy group. They are outside the courthouse literally weeping and claiming truly insane things. It’s very MAGA outside of trump’s trial etc. Honestly I think there’s plenty of reasonable doubt but I bet some jurors looked at the defense’s “massive conspiracy involving dozens of people and various organizations to frame this one woman” and thought it was such bullshit that she was therefore guilty. If the defense hadn’t gone for such a crazy involved cover up story and stuck with plain “we don’t know what happened - there’s doubt and a bad investigation” she would have been found not guilty already.

I think the conspiracy theories are coming because people expected a quick not guilty. The state didn’t prove their case, the defense had two independently hired experts who said the science didn’t match him getting hit, the states own ME affirmed that the injuries were not typical with a pedestrian accident. When you have all of that and some very connected people, people start to freak out that there is something shady going on.

I agree.  I also think that some of what you outlined, devonpow, are not so much conspiracy theories as just theories for why the jury is taking a while.

A lot of the legal experts covering this case feel that there is likely 1-2 lone holdouts.  If it was more of an even split, they wouldn't have asked for a little more time on Friday.  I think it's probably very likely that there is a retired cop on the jury.  I know a lot of cops, many of them Boston cops, many of them know Brian Albert, all said he's dirty and not well liked.  They are quietly saying that this case stinks and that she's not guilty.


But there are many cops that will follow that blue line no matter what.  They think that police officers are infallible and all cops work to the best of their abilities.  I think the defense knew that there was a cop in the mix and rolled the dice that a respected retired cop with a good reputation would be disgusted at the way this case was handled.  Maybe it didn't pan out.  

A plant?  Conspiracy theory - 10000%.  A cop being the lone holdout?  In my mind, quite likely, and not a sign of something rotten.

I think the demonstrators started off with the right idea, and now it's all insane, including both the FKR nuts as well as those new anti KR people that showed up on Friday.  Those people that were posting photos of themselves wearing FKR t-shirts for likes a few months ago and are now running through with KR is Guilty signs because they hate that stupid blogger.

And through all of this, I just keep thinking of the look on Mr OK's face the last time he was in court.  He's broken.  I want to cry every time I see a photo of him.

[mae0111]

OMG this jury is going to hang. Even with the Tuoy instruction, there's no way they come back with a verdict.

Unreal. I wonder if the CW will try it again. Since Proctor and Higgins might be in jail, it might be tough.

[litskispeciality]

Jul 1, 2024 11:04:37 GMT -5 mae0111 said:

OMG this jury is going to hang. Even with the Tuoy instruction, there's no way they come back with a verdict.

Unreal. I wonder if the CW will try it again. Since Proctor and Higgins might be in jail, it might be tough.

At least wait for the next trial (if there even is one) until the FBI investigation is closed as they should have done before this trial started, but what do we know?

I said this at jury selection and still stand by it. I would have done everything I could have to get out of being on this case. Never mind the time and energy, but fear of relatiation when a verdict or hung jury decision is posted. No matter how they voted, no matter how private their lives are supposed to be, they will be targets. Not just TB either. I worry there's corruption and if it would continue after this "jury should have found the defendant x" (whatever side that person is on. See also the witnesses in court the day of jury instructions, I lean more toward trying to intimidate the jury than support the family

[sparkythelawyer]

AP is reporting that the judge declared a mistrial, jury is deadlocked.

[mae0111]

So crazy. I can't believe it. CW proved absolutely nothing. NOTHING. I don't know what actually happened, but honestly, I don't know how anyone with 2 working brain cells could think that the commonwealth proved that she killed him.

[livinitup]

Mistrial !

Wild. It perfectly captures everything that confuses me about our culture right now. Two groups or two people can look at all the same information, all the same evidence and reach completely different conclusions.

And each thinks they are completely correct and the other completely wrong.

[mae0111]

Jul 1, 2024 14:33:16 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Mistrial !

Wild. It perfectly captures everything that confuses me about our culture right now. Two groups or two people can look at all the same information, all the same evidence and reach completely different conclusions.

And each thinks they are completely correct and the other completely wrong.

In this case, one group believes science and physics, and the other group believes judges and police officers/state troopers.  

[litskispeciality]

I really want to know/see the break down of the jury split. Was there really more than 1 jury member who couldn't decide that the state hadn't proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt truly and not just because they're against KR?

I honestly have no idea how they can re-try this case. Can you even move it out of New England and find someone who doesn't know about the case anymore?

[lo]

I’m in MA right now on vacation and wow. Her supporters seem so happy, but won’t there possibly be another trial? Obviously it’s better than being found guilty, but the possibility of another trial would always be in the back of my mind if I was KR.

[nospaekae]

I'm surprised that the Commonwealth came out so quickly to say that they will retry her. I'd think they'd at least wait to see the jury split or the outcome of the FBI/DOJ investigation. I'm really curious to see if they ultimately do retry her. I think they have 1 year, correct? And is it 1 year from today or was it from the start of this trial?

[livinitup]

Michael Proctor, lead detective investigating case & lead witness at trial relieved of duty. He will be subject to a duty status hearing to determine if he will be retained on full duty, placed on restricted duty, suspended with pay, or suspended without pay.

"The decision to relieve him of duty means that he can no longer work cases or function as a trooper during this time," a state police spokesperson clarified.

www.wcvb.com/article/michael-proctor-karen-read-trial-relieved-from-duty/61478854

[mae0111]

livinitup, is termination also an option? I haven't really seen anything that would clearly indicate that he's going to be fired. I just don't see how he can be effective in any way if he stays on duty.

Curious to see what happens to his supervisors that encouraged his shenanigans.

[shauni27]

Jul 1, 2024 14:33:16 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Mistrial !

Wild. It perfectly captures everything that confuses me about our culture right now. Two groups or two people can look at all the same information, all the same evidence and reach completely different conclusions.

And each thinks they are completely correct and the other completely wrong.

this is what is so upsetting about our country right now. Both sides genuinely think they are correct and the other side is wrong; how do we ever get through this?

[livinitup]

mae0111 The state trooper union contract has a specific process for discipline, suspension, and removal/termination. This is the first step.

It’s not a bad thing to have a rigorous and transparent review of a trooper’s conduct. The contract says the department has to give a 5-day notice, which is why the suspension starts on July 7th. They haven’t even scheduled the review meeting. The “re-assignment” is out of the DA’s office and to ‘nowhere’ apparently. It’s now a limbo job.


shauni27 I don’t know. When I begin to panic, I remind myself that our democracy survived a civil war, two world wars, well you know- a lot. We can survive again and be better again.

It’s just that I grew up thinking we were on an upwards trajectory of civil rights (et all). This decade has been a backslide, a backlash to our progress. A last gasps of system in change. Progress is messy but not impossible.

It would help if powerful people stopped lying so much.

[pixy0stix]

Jul 2, 2024 7:48:40 GMT -5 shauni27 said:

Jul 1, 2024 14:33:16 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Mistrial !

Wild. It perfectly captures everything that confuses me about our culture right now. Two groups or two people can look at all the same information, all the same evidence and reach completely different conclusions.

And each thinks they are completely correct and the other completely wrong.

this is what is so upsetting about our country right now. Both sides genuinely think they are correct and the other side is wrong; how do we ever get through this?

Stop listening to podcasts and "experts" on social media? On either side.

[devonpow]

Jul 1, 2024 14:39:32 GMT -5 mae0111 said:

Jul 1, 2024 14:33:16 GMT -5 livinitup said:

Mistrial !

Wild. It perfectly captures everything that confuses me about our culture right now. Two groups or two people can look at all the same information, all the same evidence and reach completely different conclusions.

And each thinks they are completely correct and the other completely wrong.

In this case, one group believes science and physics, and the other group believes judges and police officers/state troopers.  

I don’t know. I think she did it, but it was an accident. I listened to 90% of the trial (I have a dog who takes a lot of long slooooow walks lol). There were two options presented to the jury essentially - one that she hit him and one that there was a vast conspiracy to murder him and frame her. If you don’t believe the conspiracy (I’m happy to say why I dont) then you believe that she 1) told people she hit him 2) her tail light was broken 3) pieces of her tail light were found at the scene and 4) he never went in the house (all these pieces of evidence were presented but dismissed by the defense as being planted or lied about - so again if you don’t believe the conspiracy you believe these pieces are true)

So, you believe these pieces are true. The last two witnesses said it wasn’t possible from an accident reconstruction/physics standpoint. But other witnesses said it was possible. And I understand the final witnesses were unbiased, good, etc etc. But if you believe she said she did it, that her tail light was broken and found by his body, that his phone stopped when she left the area and never moved again, I totally understand choosing to believe one expert witness above another.

I really don’t think it’s far fetched , a conspiracy, or being a police supporter (I… am not very pro police in many areas lol) to think she is guilty of hitting him. Hitting him maliciously and with intent I think they didn’t prove

[shauni27]

Jul 2, 2024 9:52:40 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Jul 2, 2024 7:48:40 GMT -5 shauni27 said:

this is what is so upsetting about our country right now. Both sides genuinely think they are correct and the other side is wrong; how do we ever get through this?

Stop listening to podcasts and "experts" on social media? On either side.

I do not do either, I do not think? I see it every day; literally the people who think Trump is great genuinely believe he is, and honestly think that the left is just out to get him and make him look bad. Meanwhile the left thinks the right is just ignoring the facts and are ok with his behavior due to his politics. How do we as a nation genuinely come to an agreement on policies if we are in such different camps and both adamantly think the other is wrong?

[nospaekae]

Jul 2, 2024 10:05:32 GMT -5 devonpow said:

Jul 1, 2024 14:39:32 GMT -5 mae0111 said:

In this case, one group believes science and physics, and the other group believes judges and police officers/state troopers.  

I don’t know. I think she did it, but it was an accident. I listened to 90% of the trial (I have a dog who takes a lot of long slooooow walks lol). There were two options presented to the jury essentially - one that she hit him and one that there was a vast conspiracy to murder him and frame her. If you don’t believe the conspiracy (I’m happy to say why I dont) then you believe that she 1) told people she hit him 2) her tail light was broken 3) pieces of her tail light were found at the scene and 4) he never went in the house (all these pieces of evidence were presented but dismissed by the defense as being planted or lied about - so again if you don’t believe the conspiracy you believe these pieces are true)

So, you believe these pieces are true. The last two witnesses said it wasn’t possible from an accident reconstruction/physics standpoint. But other witnesses said it was possible. And I understand the final witnesses were unbiased, good, etc etc. But if you believe she said she did it, that her tail light was broken and found by his body, that his phone stopped when she left the area and never moved again, I totally understand choosing to believe one expert witness above another.

I really don’t think it’s far fetched , a conspiracy, or being a police supporter (I… am not very pro police in many areas lol) to think she is guilty of hitting him. Hitting him maliciously and with intent I think they didn’t prove

I am not a believer in all the conspiracy theories floating around and I do not believe that there was a vast conspiracy to murder him and frame her, but I do believe there was a cover up and her actions the morning after set her up as the perfect fall woman.

I do not believe the conspiracy theories, but I also do not believe that 1) she told people she hit him (there was conflicting testimony on what exactly she said/how she said it) 2) her tail light was broken (the sallyport video was tampered with and the vehicle was not photo'd prior to transport, also there was video of her backing into his car so) 3) pieces of her tail light were found at the scene (there was no CERT report made and the lead investigator is currently under investigation himself for misconduct so I am not sure we can really give weight to anything for/against any theory found at the scene at this point) 4) he never went in the house (his Apple watch data shows him climbing a flight of stairs - this has never been explained and the house was never searched, so again, along with no CERT report and the issues with the lead investigator - not sure we can say one way or the other here)

I think this has been a really interesting case. My STBXH is an LEO in MA and we've had some good discussions on it - probably the only civil discussions we've had recently LOL. He went into the trial thinking she drunkenly hit him and that she was most likely guilty of VM, but that she was overcharged and would get off. He is 100% convinced it is a cover up and thinks that this will most likely impact other cases Proctor has investigated - he called it Annie Dookan 2.0 LOL. He said consensus in his dept was also most likely cover up which surprised me. They cited Proctor's shoddy investigation, Paul's inability to recreate/explain the accident, the inability of the ME to definitively say he'd been hit by a car, and the lack of injuries consistent with any car/pedestrian accidents they'd worked. In his view, there are a lot of people involved in small town gov't/law enforcement have something on someone, basically you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Not a grand conspiracy, but "hey, you help me with ABC, and I'll ensure that XYZ about you doesn't see the light of day."

[klee23]

devonpow

I guess my hesitation is the the accident reconstruction experts the prosecution put out wasn't an expert by most definitions. He had a few dozen hours of on the job training, said the scene "spoke" to him, and couldn't explain how the body was found 30' (I believe) from suspected impact. Contrast that to two people with PHDs that specialize in working about the math for scenarios like this. How do you give equal weight in a situation like that? Don't mean to pile on but I'm just trying to understand.

Like if this was about the competing Google search I'm with you 100%. But struggle with denying science from scientists

[sparkythelawyer]

My theory remains that he got drunk, slipped and fell outside, and between the cold, the alcohol and the head injury he was never able to rouse himself to a place of safety. That would line up with what the ME said about COD.

Maybe she hit him? Maybe not. I don't think she knew she hit him, but maybe she thought she'd hit a snowbank or something.

I think they realized too late after the fact (hangovers are real, yo), that they screwed up and didn't want to say a cop got drunk and died at another cop's house, so they recreated a version of what "could" have happened.

She was vastly overcharged, but honestly I don't know that they could make a DUI stick with the shoddy way the cops handled this investigation.

The minute one of their own was down they should have farmed this out to a different department, firewalled everyone at the party from the investigation and let the other town collect the evidence. Instead they handled this like morons, and now what evidence they have is so tainted its not worth much.

I think the CW's attorney was stuck prosecuting this nonsense or he'd be seen as not backing the cops.

A re-trial, if there ends up being one, will be a continued disaster because ALL of the cops that would testify on this case are the ones who acted like absolute asshats at the fist trial. The guy who let everyone believe they were looking at the picture correctly when it was really backwards destroyed what little credibility these cops had left. The cop who HAD to know his phone had some relevant data, but went and destroyed it makes him look guilty as hell, and anything Proctor gathered is not going to be taken seriously at this point.

Never mind the absolutely overexposed local jury pool.

I think the CW's attorney will try his ass off to find lesser charges she would be willing to plead to, but I don't know if it will work and I don't see how he looks better on CW v. Read part 2.

The cops screwed this up, and now his family will never get closure. Ugh.

[livinitup]

Here is what I cannot get past in the investigation:

* A body is found on the front lawn of a residential house 30 yards from the front door without a shoe or coat. It’s a crime scene, the deceased is a law enforcement officer who knows & works with the LEO in the house. I am first on the scene & actively investigating - I never knock on the front door and ask the home owner (a law enforcement officer)“What happened last night? Were you home? Did you hear anything? Did you see anything? Do you know the dead man on your lawn? Did you see him last night? Who was in your house last night and can I have a list of their names? Can I come inside and look around?

* Same scene: I am the home owner (a law enforcement officer) there is a body on my front lawn, I know the deceased, worked with him, drank with him at the local bar last night. Most of the people at that bar came back to my house for after-hours drinking. There is a screaming woman trying to give the body mouth-to-mouth CPR, there is an ambulance, my front lawn is a crime scene, law enforcement detectives and officers are walking all over my lawn. I do not leave my house. I ask no questions,’offer no assistance. At no point, do I go outside. I delete everything off my phone from 12 midnight to 6 AM, the group of people who were with me at the bar and later in my house meet me at my kitchen table around 7 AM that morning. They all delete their phones from midnight to 6 AM. Months later, the day before I receive a ‘preservation order’ for my phone, I drive onto the local military base, remove my SIM card, toss the phone in a dumpster and the SIM card in another dumpster. I give no reason for tossing either, when asked in court, I say “It’s not illegal”.

* The prosecution presented a theory of the crime: the arm of the body was struck by a car traveling 25 miles/hr, backwards, propelling the body 30 feet, spinning it mid air, landing on his head. The impact of the car on the arm broke the taillight, causing long scratches (only) at the moment of impact but no bruising or broken bones/fractures. No bruising at all on the hands, arms, torso, or legs. There is no bruising on the body consistent with being struck by a vehicle. The only bruising on the body is at the eyes (black eyes), face, and the back of head. There is no evidence on the vehicle that it impacted a body (touch DNA only, no blood, hair, etc). The prosecution experts presented no evidence that the body was hit by a vehicle. Or that the vehicle hit a pedestrian. No evidence on the street of tire marks, skids, etc, no road rash, scrapes, gravel, marks on the body. The medical examiner testified that the cause of death was trauma to the head and exposure to the cold. The defense witness experts (super duper experts in their field) - not paid by the defense mind you, they were brought into the investigation by the FBI to review and report their findings. And they did - to both parties. Their reports said the injury to the deceased were not caused by a vehicle. The prosecution chose not to use their report or conclusions.

*Two different kinds of glass (from drinking glasses) are found on the scene. The victims cell phone is found under the body (prosecution presumed/presented that it traveled with the body at the same speed/distance as the body, landing in the same place as the body - under it but on top of the ground). Multiple missed calls are recorded on the cell phone from the night before (from 1 AM to 6 am) by people later identify as being in the house. All of these calls were explained as being unrelated mistaken ‘butt dials’ - randomly made from their phones (even though their phones had locked screens). The home owner and none of the surrounding homes reported capturing any video of anything that took place. Investigators did not canvass the neighborhood to ask for or collect any video. Neighbors later reported self-checking their cameras and found nothing to share with police.

* Theory of the case- Motive: Angry girlfriend. The motive is really being an angry girlfriend. Who snapped while black-out drunk. But not too drunk to not have complete control of the vehicle, while driving backwards, in a snow storm, on a turn, while accelerating to 25 miles/hr from a driveway. And then left him for dead on the lawn where he was launched. But she ALSO covered her tracks by leaving a series of angry voice mail messages after she left him. And then the theory goes, and the prosecutor offers this as *proof* ->You can hear her footsteps in the background of the voice mail message - she’s walking from the garage into the house WITH HER SHOES ON, against her boyfriend’s house rules. Quote: “Karen does not bother to take off her shoes when she enters the house because she knows he’s already dead.” <- that’s a real offer of proof by the prosecutor. But yet, hours later, this mastermind criminal wakes up, drives to the scene of the crime, makes hysterical calls for help, performs mouth-to-mouth CPR, and makes a credible admission of guilt to onlookers “I did this. I hit him with my car.” And it was an admissible “confession” even though her blood-alcohol level was still drunk/over the legal limit. After returning to the scene, hours later, instead of … not returning to the scene.

[litskispeciality]

My husband said when this was first going to trial that he worried someone got drunk, had an accident, and then it was covered up to avoid police looking bad.

I don't know if I believe the conspiracy theories out there, but I have to wonder about the scratches on his arm if they weren't from an animal? Where did they come from? Did an animal come by and try to eat him after he was out in the cold? I just can't believe the scratches like that came from the taillight. Also if his body was really thrown that far, how did he not break a bone? Are there photos of how his body was positioned, meaning was he all flipped around?

I agree about the accident reconstructionist we heard at the end, especially that they have more training. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they from the FBI, or hired by another outside party? Also the ME couldn't say for certain he was hit by a car, and Proctor texted that he should have "gotten to the ME" or something along those lines. I have to believe the ME has seen another death by vehicle in their career, even if it wasn't considered a murder case, so they should know what to look for.

I know the jury doesn't know about the FBI involvement, but why are they looking in to this case? Is it just Proctor? Several of the legal experts I've seen weigh in on this case (who try their best only to speak to the law, and not their opinion on guilt or innocence) explained that the FBI stuff can't be brought up in court until the case is closed, and that the trial should have waited to start until the FBI investigations were closed.

One thing that doesn't sit well with me is ::waives arm:: alll of those first responders who heard her say something along the lines of "I hit him", but yet none of them brought that up in their reports? None of them went to their superior and said "I think I heard a woman at the scene say she hit someone. Not sure what I should do/should I tell another higher ranking officer or the police?" It just seems like they should then be in trouble for not reporting that. And I've said this before in other threads, don't tell me the first responders never came together and talked, if only gossip, after their shift was done that day. If nothing else they could have subconsciously influenced each other to think they heard her say "I hit him", when she actually didn't actually say that....

PDQ PDQ

My husband is a first responder in a different area and said that most of the folks he works with don't think she did it, and that this trial never should have happened.