Soul-Searching, Recriminations Within Democratic Party

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Nov 9, 2024 6:03:58 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Nov 8, 2024 10:59:40 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

To be clear, I am grateful for the work that some of you may do with the people in your life who are open to hearing why the GOP is not good for anyone but the wealthy and corporations. Truly.

But I am not going to be that person because it has not worked with the people in my world, so instead I have cut them out of my life to the degree that I can. (Regrettably, H’s stepfather is a Trumper, but H’s mom is lovely. I have made it ABUNDANTLY clear that if he brings any racist, homophobic or sexist crap around my children, he will not be welcome around them and he shows restraint because he knows I don’t tolerate that shit and I am not a wilting flower. He loves his grandkids and he loves my H, but that’s about the only kind thing I can say.)

Just a reminder, too, that a similar conversation was had when Vance wrote Hillbilly Elegy. Everyone said, “we aren’t listening to the needs of poor white people!” Wellll, look at what he is trying to do to our nation now.

I thought maybe it was obvious but I have been focusing more on things like why non-white areas of the Bronx doubled their proportion of Trump votes from 2020. And why the people of Bay Ridge in Brooklyn swung further right despite an heavy Arab-American population. Are they all racist against themselves? And that’s this bubble I’m talking about I’m feeling here - do people on this board live in non-white places? Did they canvas in non-white communities? The former, likely not for the majority. The later, maybe more. This is not merely a repeat of 2016 when it was crystal clear that the “poor whites voting with their wallets” narrative was bullshit.

Where can I find more info on how specific towns or areas voted? I was able to look at a .gov website at how counties in NJ voted. As you mentioned in another post, NJ was a lot more mixed red/blue rather than dark blue which surprised me. The county where I work had more votes for Trump. The one where I live had more for Kamala. But it didn't break it down by town and I want to try and deduce how different ethnic populations voted. 

[basilosaurus]

Nov 8, 2024 12:55:36 GMT -5 ellipses84 said:

People can’t understand inflation and unemployment being at an all time low when they are struggling to find a job and pay for groceries. This is 💯 from corporate greed, Private Equity ruining every industry, the middle class shrinking, and the rich getting richer. It’s been my personal passion project to educate everyone I know on this topic. I think simple messages about workers rights, pro unions and a healthy middle class can work. The Biden administration just wanted to wait until they fixed everything and that was too late. They did have a lot of Unions on their side. Did you know during 🍊’s Presidency a law was changed so there’s no waiting period for corporations to buy single family homes which is why private equity has bought up so much of the housing market and house prices / rents have gone up? They use property managers to act as slum lords, even for SFHs. Meanwhile real estate investors make $$$. It’s the new way of being a landlord for boomers without the hassle...

Some of my D friends said their smarter R acquaintances knew this wouldn’t be good for the economy or democracy but voted for him anyway because they didn’t think he’d win, and they always vote Republican because they are usually the minority in their blue states 🤦‍♀️ It’s the dog catching the car again. The older white women who voted for him have so much internalized misogyny and do not truly understand what is happening in states with abortion bans. They think it’s “leave it up to the states” and about optional abortions. A warning to Blue State voters that we were way too complacent this year, which is why she lost the popular vote. There’s no excuse with mail in ballots. And why we lost some important midterms races in 2022. Every Dem needs to vote every election. DEMOCRATS FOR DEMOCRACY!

Bingo to the first paragraph

The second is how Brexit happened. When will people learn that elections have consequences, so don't treat it as a joke. Don't vote 3rd party in protest. Don't stay home in protest. Use your vote, and use it well.

[Velar Fricative]

Nov 9, 2024 6:24:48 GMT -5 sent said:

Nov 9, 2024 6:03:58 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I thought maybe it was obvious but I have been focusing more on things like why non-white areas of the Bronx doubled their proportion of Trump votes from 2020. And why the people of Bay Ridge in Brooklyn swung further right despite an heavy Arab-American population. Are they all racist against themselves? And that’s this bubble I’m talking about I’m feeling here - do people on this board live in non-white places? Did they canvas in non-white communities? The former, likely not for the majority. The later, maybe more. This is not merely a repeat of 2016 when it was crystal clear that the “poor whites voting with their wallets” narrative was bullshit.

Where can I find more info on how specific towns or areas voted? I was able to look at a .gov website at how counties in NJ voted. As you mentioned in another post, NJ was a lot more mixed red/blue rather than dark blue which surprised me. The county where I work had more votes for Trump. The one where I live had more for Kamala. But it didn't break it down by town and I want to try and deduce how different ethnic populations voted. 

This is what I saw floating around for Bergen County, so depending on your county, you may be able to pull up similar data by checking the county’s BOE site for data or checking if anyone wrote up articles for your county to compare to 2020. www.northjersey.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/07/how-nj-towns-vote-map-trump-harris-election-2024/76108812007/

[underwaterrhymes]

Velar Fricative - I can only speak for myself, but my community is only 56% white, so I do not live in a white bubble. I volunteer with a refugee group, also. Again, I am not saying that the Democrats shouldn’t be thinking about how to shift gears. We must.

I really think the focus needs to be on disinformation online. The fact that so many Gen Z men voted for him really drives home the point that we need to be doing a better job educating our citizens on how to combat and root out fake news.

The media didn’t push back on anything Trump was saying and they helped fuel this fire.

Neither of those things will be better next time, so we have GOT to do hard work here.

There are plenty of people in marginalized communities with deep internalized racism and misogyny, but it is not my role as a white woman to try to dig into that.

Heather Cox Richardson had a great post last night that is already digging into how some voters are positively shocked at how a Trump presidency will affect them and how disinformation fed into this campaign, as well as historically.

As for the work I’m going to do personally, I’m going to continue to volunteer with my refugee group and hope that none of our families are deported. I’m getting involved with a local SAFE group that focuses on building communities that are safe for everyone. I’m looking into volunteer opportunities with SURJ and MoveOn. I also want to see what I can find to help with abortion access. I will continue to fight back against bigotry in my own sphere, calling people out for hatred. These are the things I can do.

On a broader scale, I hope the Democrats find a new way forward so everyone sees clearly how it’s the better choice. You and I might disagree on the best way to do that, but I think we both agree on what we want for the end result.

[Velar Fricative]

100% agreement with you on disinformation, underwaterrhymes.

[sent]

Nov 9, 2024 6:34:33 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Nov 9, 2024 6:24:48 GMT -5 sent said:

Where can I find more info on how specific towns or areas voted? I was able to look at a .gov website at how counties in NJ voted. As you mentioned in another post, NJ was a lot more mixed red/blue rather than dark blue which surprised me. The county where I work had more votes for Trump. The one where I live had more for Kamala. But it didn't break it down by town and I want to try and deduce how different ethnic populations voted. 

This is what I saw floating around for Bergen County, so depending on your county, you may be able to pull up similar data by checking the county’s BOE site for data or checking if anyone wrote up articles for your county to compare to 2020. www.northjersey.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/07/how-nj-towns-vote-map-trump-harris-election-2024/76108812007/

This is good, thanks. The map covered a few more counties than just Bergen so I could see the town where I work and all the surrounding towns where people come from to visit my office. They're all red! A lot of the towns on the map are within 500 to 1000 votes for either candidate. For the towns where there was 1000+ more votes for the winner in that town, I couldn't discern why the town necessarily went the way it did. My first guess would be more people who would have voted D stayed home. It will be interesting to see how the flow of money to/from our state will be in the next few years. 

[notsopicky]

Nov 9, 2024 6:41:34 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

I really think the focus needs to be on disinformation online. The fact that so many Gen Z men voted for him really drives home the point that we need to be doing a better job educating our citizens on how to combat and root out fake news.

The media didn’t push back on anything Trump was saying and they helped fuel this fire.

Neither of those things will be better next time, so we have GOT to do hard work here.

Heather Cox Richardson had a great post last night that is already digging into how some voters are positively shocked at how a Trump presidency will affect them and how disinformation fed into this campaign, as well as historically.

I read the HCR post this morning on a friend's feed (she is an elected D town official in PA) and I supported the post with this article (which HRC quoted) from Michael Tomasky. newrepublic.com/post/188197/trump-media-information-landscape-fox?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=other 

The most important part in MT's piece is that what the Dems think is the media running with crazy shit borne from Rs is actually the other way around: that the RWM starts the crazy, and then said Rs pick it up and embrace it. And it's not just insane small-pond podcasters and bloggers (although they are super guilty) doing that, it's just as much from longstanding Republican-leaning outlets, such as Fox News. 

I am a librarian and it is my literal job to teach media literacy skills. Which I just did for 3 weeks at my school to 600 students, the first of a multi-lesson arc that I built. None of the problems with this election and the state of our country change until we can get our arms around what I highlighted in UWR's post. 

[penguingrrl]

Nov 9, 2024 6:24:48 GMT -5 sent said:

Nov 9, 2024 6:03:58 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I thought maybe it was obvious but I have been focusing more on things like why non-white areas of the Bronx doubled their proportion of Trump votes from 2020. And why the people of Bay Ridge in Brooklyn swung further right despite an heavy Arab-American population. Are they all racist against themselves? And that’s this bubble I’m talking about I’m feeling here - do people on this board live in non-white places? Did they canvas in non-white communities? The former, likely not for the majority. The later, maybe more. This is not merely a repeat of 2016 when it was crystal clear that the “poor whites voting with their wallets” narrative was bullshit.

Where can I find more info on how specific towns or areas voted? I was able to look at a .gov website at how counties in NJ voted. As you mentioned in another post, NJ was a lot more mixed red/blue rather than dark blue which surprised me. The county where I work had more votes for Trump. The one where I live had more for Kamala. But it didn't break it down by town and I want to try and deduce how different ethnic populations voted. 

I’m in Monmouth County and our county board of elections has a great website. I was able to get the data down to the voting district. I’m sure your county has a similar site. Ours is Monmouthcountyvotes.com.

My town went blue for the first time in my lifetime. It was a close margin, but we still went blue. Considering that from 1980-2012 no republican presidential candidate got less than 60% of the vote here that’s a noticeable change that I’m grateful to see.

An FYI about NJ, our maps always are like that. There’s a wide blue swath going down the middle of the state, but the rest of the state historically votes pretty red. This time it was a bit more so than usual, but NJ has always been closer than is good. It’s how an idiot like Christie got elected here.

[kellady]

Nov 9, 2024 6:41:34 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Velar Fricative - I can only speak for myself, but my community is only 56% white, so I do not live in a white bubble. I volunteer with a refugee group, also. Again, I am not saying that the Democrats shouldn’t be thinking about how to shift gears. We must.

I really think the focus needs to be on disinformation online. The fact that so many Gen Z men voted for him really drives home the point that we need to be doing a better job educating our citizens on how to combat and root out fake news.

The media didn’t push back on anything Trump was saying and they helped fuel this fire.

Neither of those things will be better next time, so we have GOT to do hard work here.

There are plenty of people in marginalized communities with deep internalized racism and misogyny, but it is not my role as a white woman to try to dig into that.

Heather Cox Richardson had a great post last night that is already digging into how some voters are positively shocked at how a Trump presidency will affect them and how disinformation fed into this campaign, as well as historically.

As for the work I’m going to do personally, I’m going to continue to volunteer with my refugee group and hope that none of our families are deported. I’m getting involved with a local SAFE group that focuses on building communities that are safe for everyone. I’m looking into volunteer opportunities with SURJ and MoveOn. I also want to see what I can find to help with abortion access. I will continue to fight back against bigotry in my own sphere, calling people out for hatred. These are the things I can do.

On a broader scale, I hope the Democrats find a new way forward so everyone sees clearly how it’s the better choice. You and I might disagree on the best way to do that, but I think we both agree on what we want for the end result.

How are they just discovering this/believing this now?  I agree the mainstream media has not been putting the information out there (as far as I can tell,) but what makes them shocked now three days after the election?  Why do they believe now how tariffs work and that their prices may be going up.

[tacokick]

Trump didn’t really pick up many votes here in Baltimore but Harris lost a good chunk that Biden got.

Which is kind of what I expected. I didn’t know anyone excited about Biden in 2020 but they picked him because they didn’t want Trump. Now the many of the same people were very hesitant to vote for Harris because of how Biden/Harris have handled the genocide and/or Covid/public health. It’s hard to keep voting for people you think are literally and actively helping the killing of your people just because they aren’t the other guy.

What people have told me was that enough people would vote for her that not voting for her would have no difference in the outcome. We have such a strong voting record for Democrat here. She did get 85% here and 61% for the state so they weren’t wrong. I am not going to debate the logic here but I bet other people in other states thought the same thing but ended up with different results.

I did see a lot of Harris signs out in the whiter, wealthier neighborhoods so I had thought they might make up some of the gap.

We also defeated Hogan, kept our Mayor and defeated a measure that would have shrunk our city council.

[tacokick]

Nov 9, 2024 11:18:16 GMT -5 kellady said:

Nov 9, 2024 6:41:34 GMT -5 underwaterrhymes said:

Velar Fricative -

The media didn’t push back on anything Trump was saying and they helped fuel this fire.

Heather Cox Richardson had a great post last night that is already digging into how some voters are positively shocked at how a Trump presidency will affect them and how disinformation fed into this campaign, as well as historically.

How are they just discovering this/believing this now?  I agree the mainstream media has not been putting the information out there (as far as I can tell,) but what makes them shocked now three days after the election?  Why do they believe now how tariffs work and that their prices may be going up.

I have seen a ton more info about tariffs and what they mean in the news and social media in the last few days than I did at any point during campaign.

I’ve also seen articles about companies telling their employees what a Trump presidency would mean for the business/their jobs now that’s it’s official. I think for a lot of people it was very abstract.

[wise_rita]

I hope this "people are finally understanding what tariffs actually mean" isn't just the liberal echo chamber.

These people gave no fucks about facts and consequences prior to the election. So why now?

[basilosaurus]

Nov 9, 2024 12:57:01 GMT -5 wise_rita said:

I hope this "people are finally understanding what tariffs actually mean" isn't just the liberal echo chamber.

These people gave no fucks about facts and consequences prior to the election. So why now?

I don't think they get it now. I think they might if/when it actually happens. However, I have zero faith they'll blame the right people.

At this point, I only associate with intelligent liberals, so I know I'm fully in an echo chamber and don't need to explain such things.

There is some glee from my non-American friends because I think they're just contrarian and worship Musk (slim pickings here or I'd ditch them). But this will absolutely affect the global economy. But fafo will hurt a lot of people in the meantime, so I can't be too excited about watching them get their comeuppance.

[lostrn]

Nov 9, 2024 12:57:01 GMT -5 wise_rita said:

I hope this "people are finally understanding what tariffs actually mean" isn't just the liberal echo chamber.

These people gave no fucks about facts and consequences prior to the election. So why now?

I'm not seeing it from my real life maga acquaintances yet. From them I'm seeing stuff like "oh look at all the good trump is doing already! Hamas wants to end the war! The stock market is booming!" Etc, etc. they are exhausting.

[jinkies]

I'm seeing posts from people that it was, in part, the Dems attitude towards Trump and his supporters that actually drove people to him.

That Dems are perceived as smug, sanctimonious, know-it-alls who look down on anyone who disagrees with them. That dismiss or cut off people who like trump and don't listen to other arguments. It seems to have awakened something in marginalized people who have experienced being made to feel less than, and drove them to Trump.

Something to consider.

[Jalapeñomel]

Nov 9, 2024 14:26:09 GMT -5 jinkies said:

I'm seeing posts from people that it was, in part, the Dems attitude towards Trump and his supporters that actually drove people to him.

That Dems are perceived as smug, sanctimonious, know-it-alls who look down on anyone who disagrees with them. That dismiss or cut off people who like trump and don't listen to other arguments. It seems to have awakened something in marginalized people who have experienced being made to feel less than, and drove them to Trump.

Something to consider.

The funny part about this is that the MAGAs I’ve encountered (ahem my Dad especially) absolutely think that I am the one who is less than, that I’m a sheep with no critical thinking skills, and that they are both morally and intellectually superior.

[kellady]

Nov 9, 2024 14:26:09 GMT -5 jinkies said:

I'm seeing posts from people that it was, in part, the Dems attitude towards Trump and his supporters that actually drove people to him.

That Dems are perceived as smug, sanctimonious, know-it-alls who look down on anyone who disagrees with them. That dismiss or cut off people who like trump and don't listen to other arguments. It seems to have awakened something in marginalized people who have experienced being made to feel less than, and drove them to Trump.

Something to consider.

OK, I’m sure some of these people do/did feel dismissed, but come on.  The Dems are the ones making people feel less than?  Like mocking the disabled, making up school bully nicknames for anyone that dares to disagree with him? And on and on?  That’s Trump that does that.  
I agree that the message just didn’t get out, and @@@my adult daughter (who voted for Harris) says people just want change. They haven’t seen prices come down and so on.  A lot of the people who can’t afford eggs, don’t see their investments going up because they don’t have any investments.  
After 2016, my railing against the Trumpers has been done in private.  Any conversations that I am forced to have with them are civil and short.  (These are relatives that I see minimally.). My H is a lot more cool headed than I and can have some conversations, but his brother and SiL are mega magats, and contact is small.

Sorry I’m rambling.  I’m just so upset that I’m best right now to donate and keep quiet.  

[sonrisa]

there is a very 1984 double speak sound to all these Trump supporters complaining Democrats are the ones with negative rhetoric and negative opinions of their political adversaries

[taratru]

Nov 9, 2024 14:26:09 GMT -5 jinkies said:

I'm seeing posts from people that it was, in part, the Dems attitude towards Trump and his supporters that actually drove people to him.

That Dems are perceived as smug, sanctimonious, know-it-alls who look down on anyone who disagrees with them. That dismiss or cut off people who like trump and don't listen to other arguments. It seems to have awakened something in marginalized people who have experienced being made to feel less than, and drove them to Trump.

Something to consider.

This is especially frustrating for me, because I won't engage when people are sharing misinformation or lies. If I try to educate or redirect toward facts, then I'm suddenly a know it all. Like... no, I just know facts, and I'm a teacher, so I can actually explain things. So, what are we supposed to do? Just be...uneducated? Not say so? Let people continue to be misinformed or ignorant? I feel like we can't win when we can't even agree on the same set of facts, and sharing facts is "sanctimonious."

[akayf]

Nov 9, 2024 8:21:41 GMT -5 sent said:

Nov 9, 2024 6:34:33 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

This is what I saw floating around for Bergen County, so depending on your county, you may be able to pull up similar data by checking the county’s BOE site for data or checking if anyone wrote up articles for your county to compare to 2020. www.northjersey.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/07/how-nj-towns-vote-map-trump-harris-election-2024/76108812007/

This is good, thanks. The map covered a few more counties than just Bergen so I could see the town where I work and all the surrounding towns where people come from to visit my office. They're all red! A lot of the towns on the map are within 500 to 1000 votes for either candidate. For the towns where there was 1000+ more votes for the winner in that town, I couldn't discern why the town necessarily went the way it did. My first guess would be more people who would have voted D stayed home. It will be interesting to see how the flow of money to/from our state will be in the next few years. 

I’m in Middlesex County in what I thought was a very very blue town. Our mayor and town council are D and always have been for all of my voting history. I think the last time we had an R mayor was in the 1980’s! But based on the map that shows results by district, nearly half the districts for my town went red! Including mine! I can’t find info on numbers, just a map showing who won each district. The 2 neighboring towns are oceans of blue.

ETA-nearly every district in my town voted D for Congress(Frank Pallone) and Senate(Andy Kim). How did Trump win so many districts in my town?

[jeaniebueller]

Nov 9, 2024 15:11:24 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

there is a very 1984 double speak sound to all these Trump supporters complaining Democrats are the ones with negative rhetoric and negative opinions of their political adversaries

I think characterizing all Trump voters as ‘Trump supporters’ is the first problem. Again I know a lot of Trump voters who don’t really like the guy, they voted on the economy, etc.

Dems have to get real about communication and the fact that there were things that had nothing to do with racism/misogyny/ xenophobia that attracted other demographics to voting for Trump or staying home. For one, Democrats have an elitism problem. As a rural democrat voter, it’s obvious with the way the party talks about rural voters—as one example. I was listening to PSA and Lovett marveled that Trump won MI even though he called Detroit a shithole—clearly nor realizing that outside of detroit, that is not an unpopular thing to say (even though untrue). It made me wonder if the party works with anyone outside of the beltway, major metro areas. And hell is about to freeze over because i am wondering if Bernie was right about messaging all along.

as far as strategy, Dems haven't adjusted their strategy to accommodate early voting or mail in. why were they spending resources in MI the night before the election when people had already been voting for over a week?

[sonrisa]

So now I’m insulting/Mischaracterizing Trump voters by saying they “supported” him???

Is this another example of mean democrats slandering people?

this feels like it proves my point about the double standard between the parties on civility and communication.

[wise_rita]

Nov 9, 2024 20:54:18 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Nov 9, 2024 15:11:24 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

there is a very 1984 double speak sound to all these Trump supporters complaining Democrats are the ones with negative rhetoric and negative opinions of their political adversaries

I think characterizing all Trump voters as ‘Trump supporters’ is the first problem.

I can't even formulate a coherent response to this, it is so mine bogglingly logic defying.

[cherryvalance]

I guess I will just never understand having the economy be your main issue and wanting to shake things up, then voting a straight blue ticket except President. You feel like the incumbents are doing a bad job so you vote for more Dems, just not POTUS?

[basilosaurus]

Nov 10, 2024 5:36:51 GMT -5 cherryvalance said:

I guess I will just never understand having the economy be your main issue and wanting to shake things up, then voting a straight blue ticket except President. You feel like the incumbents are doing a bad job so you vote for more Dems, just not POTUS?

Way back in my idiotic Ayn Rand days, I believed her fallacy that you should vote opposite parties so that everything is gridlocked, so they can't fuck anything up because clearly government is always bad. I outgrew it by about 21. Maybe some people never do?

[sakoro]

Nov 9, 2024 20:54:18 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Nov 9, 2024 15:11:24 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

there is a very 1984 double speak sound to all these Trump supporters complaining Democrats are the ones with negative rhetoric and negative opinions of their political adversaries

I think characterizing all Trump voters as ‘Trump supporters’ is the first problem. Again I know a lot of Trump voters who don’t really like the guy, they voted on the economy, etc.

I would characterize the Latinos in my district who voted for Trump to be mostly anti-Biden rather than pro-Trump. They are feeling very squeezed with housing costs going up 40% since 2020 and the younger generation being shut out of homeownership. Not to mention groceries, gas, homeowner’s insurance policies being canceled due to wildfire risk. There were no red MAGA hats or Trump signs up around town but he made big inroads over 2016/2020.

They were offended by T calling them rapists, but also offended when Biden and Harris kept saying that the economic fundamentals are strong. Catholicism and misogyny played a role too no doubt but they cite economic factors. If you want to dig into semantics, if you vote for someone, you’re a supporter. But sometimes you’re holding your nose and voting against an opponent’s policies rather than embracing everything about the other candidate .

Latino areas of San Diego County shifted towards Trump

In San Diego City Council District 8, where 69.4% of registered voters are Latino, Trump earned 40.2% of the vote as compared to 27.5% in 2020 – a nearly 13-point swing….. “I think many of the pundits and pollsters didn't expect this,” Vasquez said. “This is, it's a solidly, solidly, dark blue Democratic territory.” ….. The reasons for his support align with national polling indicating Latino voters’ top issue was the economy and inflation.. .“Nobody eats more eggs than Latinos,” Gastelum said, “and when you go to the store and a 12-pack of eggs is $5 or $6, that hurts.”

[sent]

Nov 9, 2024 20:35:52 GMT -5 akayf said:

Nov 9, 2024 8:21:41 GMT -5 sent said:

This is good, thanks. The map covered a few more counties than just Bergen so I could see the town where I work and all the surrounding towns where people come from to visit my office. They're all red! A lot of the towns on the map are within 500 to 1000 votes for either candidate. For the towns where there was 1000+ more votes for the winner in that town, I couldn't discern why the town necessarily went the way it did. My first guess would be more people who would have voted D stayed home. It will be interesting to see how the flow of money to/from our state will be in the next few years. 

I’m in Middlesex County in what I thought was a very very blue town. Our mayor and town council are D and always have been for all of my voting history. I think the last time we had an R mayor was in the 1980’s! But based on the map that shows results by district, nearly half the districts for my town went red! Including mine! I can’t find info on numbers, just a map showing who won each district. The 2 neighboring towns are oceans of blue.

ETA-nearly every district in my town voted D for Congress(Frank Pallone) and Senate(Andy Kim). How did Trump win so many districts in my town?

This is also where I live. Where did you find the map?

[mrsukyankee]

Nov 9, 2024 20:54:18 GMT -5 jeaniebueller said:

Nov 9, 2024 15:11:24 GMT -5 sonrisa said:

there is a very 1984 double speak sound to all these Trump supporters complaining Democrats are the ones with negative rhetoric and negative opinions of their political adversaries

I think characterizing all Trump voters as ‘Trump supporters’ is the first problem. Again I know a lot of Trump voters who don’t really like the guy, they voted on the economy, etc.

I'm sorry, but if you vote for someone, you are their supporter. That's it. I don't love Keir Starmer (and, in fact, he wouldn't be my number one choice) but I voted for him and that was my vote of support for him. If you don't want to support a person, don't vote for them. 

[wanderingback]

I do not feel sorry for Melania Trump at all, but lol, she doesn’t even have Barron to act as a cover anymore. Didn’t she not move to the White House for awhile citing he needed to finish school?She must be miserable. What a horrible way to live, stuck in the White House.

[sent]

Nov 9, 2024 10:34:29 GMT -5 penguingrrl said:

Nov 9, 2024 6:24:48 GMT -5 sent said:

Where can I find more info on how specific towns or areas voted? I was able to look at a .gov website at how counties in NJ voted. As you mentioned in another post, NJ was a lot more mixed red/blue rather than dark blue which surprised me. The county where I work had more votes for Trump. The one where I live had more for Kamala. But it didn't break it down by town and I want to try and deduce how different ethnic populations voted. 

I’m in Monmouth County and our county board of elections has a great website. I was able to get the data down to the voting district. I’m sure your county has a similar site. Ours is Monmouthcountyvotes.com.

My town went blue for the first time in my lifetime. It was a close margin, but we still went blue. Considering that from 1980-2012 no republican presidential candidate got less than 60% of the vote here that’s a noticeable change that I’m grateful to see.

An FYI about NJ, our maps always are like that. There’s a wide blue swath going down the middle of the state, but the rest of the state historically votes pretty red. This time it was a bit more so than usual, but NJ has always been closer than is good. It’s how an idiot like Christie got elected here.

I voted for Christie in 2009 (ducks). 

We were fresh off the hellscape of Wall Street ruining the economy from 2007 onward with their funny math and barely getting slapped on the wrist for it. I wasn't going to vote for the "successful" Wall Street guy. In my mind he was successful at the expense of burying us regular peons with subprime mortgages. He may not have had anything to do with the 2007 crisis but to me Wall Street = bad. I didn't know anything about the other guy except that he was born and raised in NJ, he didn't come from Wall Street, and he sounded more like the "let's get to the bottom of it and get things done" kind of NJ person that I wanted to be (I had just moved back to NJ after a long tour of living in other places). 

This is probably how regular people feeling squeezed by the economy feel about being ok voting for Trump. Yes he's *insert all the awful things*, but when he was president, I could afford stuff and buying a house was within reach. Now I can't buy a house. Never mind that he's the reason for not being able to buy a house because he made it easier for PE to swallow up houses but did the D's hammer this point anywhere? I only learned earlier in this thread about what exactly Trump did to make the PE takeover of housing easier.  I voted for Kamala because I may not be PE rich, but I can afford life no matter who is in Washington f-ing things up. That's a very privileged place for me to sit.