Post by ashbridemd on Jul 16, 2013 22:01:27 GMT -5
That's my point though....Addicts stay addicts because their brain is telling them it's too hard to not be an addict. But there are millions of people that are proof positive that it's not *too* hard. I'm not saying it's NOT a disease. I'm just saying it's not so black and white either.
I'm so torn on this. Nobody wants to live the hard life of an addict or a recovering addict. But I don't think that is what they are initially thinking about when they first try the drug. Whether it be kids at a party who are pressured into trying it, or an adult who thinks "Oh just this one time won't get me addicted or anything...." They usually end up addicted. And it's horrible to see someone be so dependent on something like that.
But at the same time...People make the choice to get clean everyday and stay clean for the rest of their lives. Every single person who is addicted to drugs is fully capable of becoming clean and sober and staying that way. But why don't they? Because they are terrified of withdraw. They are terrified of how they are going to feel without the drugs. They are terrified of how much more difficult life is going to be as a recovering addict. And they don't want to go through the pain. Probably the same reason they started the drugs in the first place....They don't want to feel the pain. Who does? So it's easier to continue on doing what they are doing, instead of fixing themselves.
That is why I don't put addiction and a disease like cancer on the same level. Both have treatments that are painful and hard to go through. But the difference is....Cancer doesn't make you feel good. Would someone who is a cancer patient and also an addict turn down Chemo because of the horrible side effects and challenges that come with it? Probably not. They would probably be thankful for any chance they got to get better. But would they be as eager to except treatment for their addiction?? Probably not. This is why I feel there is such a HUGE difference.
I'm so torn on this. Nobody wants to live the hard life of an addict or a recovering addict. But I don't think that is what they are initially thinking about when they first try the drug. Whether it be kids at a party who are pressured into trying it, or an adult who thinks "Oh just this one time won't get me addicted or anything...." They usually end up addicted. And it's horrible to see someone be so dependent on something like that.
But at the same time...People make the choice to get clean everyday and stay clean for the rest of their lives. Every single person who is addicted to drugs is fully capable of becoming clean and sober and staying that way. But why don't they? Because they are terrified of withdraw. They are terrified of how they are going to feel without the drugs. They are terrified of how much more difficult life is going to be as a recovering addict. And they don't want to go through the pain. Probably the same reason they started the drugs in the first place....They don't want to feel the pain. Who does? So it's easier to continue on doing what they are doing, instead of fixing themselves.
That is why I don't put addiction and a disease like cancer on the same level. Both have treatments that are painful and hard to go through. But the difference is....Cancer doesn't make you feel good. Would someone who is a cancer patient and also an addict turn down Chemo because of the horrible side effects and challenges that come with it? Probably not. They would probably be thankful for any chance they got to get better. But would they be as eager to except treatment for their addiction?? Probably not. This is why I feel there is such a HUGE difference.
They have and do every day. As a matter of fact I believe some people here have mentioned family members doing just that. But imma let them handle your stupid ass.
That's my point though....Addicts stay addicts because their brain is telling them it's too hard to not be an addict. But there are millions of people that are proof positive that it's not *too* hard. I'm not saying it's NOT a disease. I'm just saying it's not so black and white either.
That's my point though....Addicts stay addicts because their brain is telling them it's too hard to not be an addict. But there are millions of people that are proof positive that it's not *too* hard. I'm not saying it's NOT a disease. I'm just saying it's not so black and white either.
No there are millions of people who were finally able to conquer it. its not that their brains are telling them its too hard it's that their brains are telling them there is no other choice but to use just one more time, have one more drink, etc. there's a reason addicts have to hit rock bottom to get clean/sober, because until allowing the disease to be in conteol is no longer a viable option its insanely hard to stop.
also you do realize that a large number of those that enter recovery will at some point slip and drink/use again don't you. IIRC the rate is something like 75% of those in recovery will at some point use again.
Post by lexxasaurus on Jul 16, 2013 22:06:28 GMT -5
"Cancer doesn't make you feel good.."
Uhm. Neither do withdrawals. Or the sick, vomiting, wake-up-on-the-sidewalk come downs from crystal meth. Or when a "high" is normal. It's not fun. Eating/smoking/snorting/shooting it is NOT a treat once you're addicted. It's a necessity. It's a need. It does not "feel good" at that point.
I'm so torn on this. Nobody wants to live the hard life of an addict or a recovering addict. But I don't think that is what they are initially thinking about when they first try the drug. Whether it be kids at a party who are pressured into trying it, or an adult who thinks "Oh just this one time won't get me addicted or anything...." They usually end up addicted. And it's horrible to see someone be so dependent on something like that.
But at the same time...People make the choice to get clean everyday and stay clean for the rest of their lives. Every single person who is addicted to drugs is fully capable of becoming clean and sober and staying that way. But why don't they? Because they are terrified of withdraw. They are terrified of how they are going to feel without the drugs. They are terrified of how much more difficult life is going to be as a recovering addict. And they don't want to go through the pain. Probably the same reason they started the drugs in the first place....They don't want to feel the pain. Who does? So it's easier to continue on doing what they are doing, instead of fixing themselves.
That is why I don't put addiction and a disease like cancer on the same level. Both have treatments that are painful and hard to go through. But the difference is....Cancer doesn't make you feel good. Would someone who is a cancer patient and also an addict turn down Chemo because of the horrible side effects and challenges that come with it? Probably not. They would probably be thankful for any chance they got to get better. But would they be as eager to except treatment for their addiction?? Probably not. This is why I feel there is such a HUGE difference.
Post by ashbridemd on Jul 16, 2013 22:10:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I will NEVER EVER believe that using is a NEED. If it is, it's only a need because they don't want to feel the pain and awful effects of NOT using. If this makes me an asshole, oh well. Your opinion of me will not have changed then lol.
I'm sorry, but I will NEVER EVER believe that using is a NEED. If it is, it's only a need because they don't want to feel the pain and awful effects of NOT using. If this makes me an asshole, oh well.
It makes you an asshole who is ill informed about the mental aspects of addiction which is the hardest part to conquer. You do realize that for certain drugs they can put you into a medical coma and let you skip the withdrawal aspect.
That's my point though....Addicts stay addicts because their brain is telling them it's too hard to not be an addict. But there are millions of people that are proof positive that it's not *too* hard. I'm not saying it's NOT a disease. I'm just saying it's not so black and white either.
And millions of cancer patients get cured too, are the ones that died just somehow lazy?
I'm sorry, but I will NEVER EVER believe that using is a NEED. If it is, it's only a need because they don't want to feel the pain and awful effects of NOT using. If this makes me an asshole, oh well. Your opinion of me will not have changed then lol.
I'm sorry, but I will NEVER EVER believe that using is a NEED. If it is, it's only a need because they don't want to feel the pain and awful effects of NOT using. If this makes me an asshole, oh well.
It makes you an asshole who is ill informed about the mental aspects of addiction which is the hardest part to conquer. You do realize that for certain drugs they can put you into a medical coma and let you skip the withdrawal aspect.
Do you think drugs addicts are really thinking about that? Obviously...I am not in an addicts brain so I can't say for sure. But I am willing to be the first thing that goes through their mind when they hear "getting clean" is withdraw.
I'm sorry, but I will NEVER EVER believe that using is a NEED. If it is, it's only a need because they don't want to feel the pain and awful effects of NOT using. If this makes me an asshole, oh well. Your opinion of me will not have changed then lol.
Don't you think that a person's brain can tell them something is a need when to you, objectively, it doesn't seem like a need?
I would not have died without pain meds after my c-section, either. But fuck if my brain wasn't telling me to smash that button on my morphine drip like my life depended on it.
I'm sorry, but I will NEVER EVER believe that using is a NEED. If it is, it's only a need because they don't want to feel the pain and awful effects of NOT using. If this makes me an asshole, oh well. Your opinion of me will not have changed then lol.
Every time you post I just want to come to your house and break your fucking computer.
I'm sorry, but I will NEVER EVER believe that using is a NEED. If it is, it's only a need because they don't want to feel the pain and awful effects of NOT using. If this makes me an asshole, oh well. Your opinion of me will not have changed then lol.
you are too fucking dumb to argue with, but I appreciate your presence here since it will win me a bet with Melinda.
I'm sorry, but I will NEVER EVER believe that using is a NEED. If it is, it's only a need because they don't want to feel the pain and awful effects of NOT using. If this makes me an asshole, oh well. Your opinion of me will not have changed then lol.
You realize delirium tremors and some withdrawals CAN kill you without supervision and detox, no? In that case you NEED some level of the drug or medical intervention for your body to function.
I'm sorry, but I will NEVER EVER believe that using is a NEED. If it is, it's only a need because they don't want to feel the pain and awful effects of NOT using. If this makes me an asshole, oh well. Your opinion of me will not have changed then lol.
What about the people that die while going through withdrawal? Did their bodies not need the drug then?
That's my point though....Addicts stay addicts because their brain is telling them it's too hard to not be an addict. But there are millions of people that are proof positive that it's not *too* hard. I'm not saying it's NOT a disease. I'm just saying it's not so black and white either.
And millions of cancer patients get cured too, are the ones that died just somehow lazy?
You are more of a nitwit with each sunrise.
Cancer patients also don't do anything to themselves to continue making themselves even more sick.
It makes you an asshole who is ill informed about the mental aspects of addiction which is the hardest part to conquer. You do realize that for certain drugs they can put you into a medical coma and let you skip the withdrawal aspect.
Do you think drugs addicts are really thinking about that? Obviously...I am not in an addicts brain so I can't say for sure. But I am willing to be the first thing that goes through their mind when they hear "getting clean" is withdraw.
Maybe not but most of their families who are desperate to help them are and are giving them the option.
I'm sorry, but I will NEVER EVER believe that using is a NEED. If it is, it's only a need because they don't want to feel the pain and awful effects of NOT using. If this makes me an asshole, oh well. Your opinion of me will not have changed then lol.
Please. Do tell me about all of your experience, education and training in addiction.
Also, please tell me how to get my husband do man up and just smack his pancreas around until it finally stops being a dick and his diabetes is cured. Clearly, if he loved me enough...
Post by ashbridemd on Jul 16, 2013 22:19:17 GMT -5
I can't imagine a person who is SO addicted that they will die from WITHDRAWAL (happy, LCH?) would seek to do it by themselves without any medical supervision. If they do, that's so sad that they have no one left in their life that would be there to help them.