Just curious- circumcision CP

[laurack]

Ugh no debate, blah. Damn you Trudy and your "rules" 

well maybe this Thursday someone will have a uo in this very topic?

[ruby412]

Aug 5, 2013 20:31:00 GMT -5 @pcloadletter said:

I was once with a guy who was uncircumcised. I don't think he took care of himself because it was kinda stinky. Or he was just stinky.

It can definitely get stinky! A nurse friend of mine told me if it's not cleaned properly, goo will build up. It's called schmegma.

As for our family, any future boys would be circ'd for religious reasons.

[TrudyCampbell]

Aug 5, 2013 20:35:43 GMT -5 ruby412 said:

Aug 5, 2013 20:31:00 GMT -5 @pcloadletter said:

I was once with a guy who was uncircumcised. I don't think he took care of himself because it was kinda stinky. Or he was just stinky.

It can definitely get stinky! A nurse friend of mine told me if it's not cleaned properly, goo will build up. It's called schmegma.

As for our family, any future boys would be circ'd for religious reasons.

Ew, I took a sex class in college and smegma has been a word that's haunted my dreams. Vaginas get it too!

[imimahoney]

Aug 5, 2013 20:34:26 GMT -5 TrudyCampbell said:

I really don't want to start a huge debate, but why is it that the general consensus is that babies feel little to no pain but if adults choose to so it its this horrible procedure? Isn't the pain level the same, it's just the memory of the event that changed?

I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a jerk.

Well I can only speak as a bystander to Ari's procedure. He was numb starting an hour before and up to 2 hours after. He slept for 3 hours after but that might have been the wine, lol. He never displayed any pain or issues with his circ . He has cried more from shots.

My friend was in serious pain for at least a week. But he's an adult so I just think everything is different.

Clearly this is a personal decision and if you think your child might suffer from it then don't do it.

[carawestt]

I think the pain level is the same, babies just have no memory of it. H went with Lincoln and he said he only cried for a few seconds until H picked him up. He also said that the way they did his didn't look too painful and that they numbed it before. Who knows, I wasn't there!

[Deleted]

Elias is not circumcised. Where I live, it is almost 50-50 those who do and those who dont.

[robinsparkles430]

Aug 5, 2013 20:34:26 GMT -5 TrudyCampbell said:

I really don't want to start a huge debate, but why is it that the general consensus is that babies feel little to no pain but if adults choose to so it its this horrible procedure? Isn't the pain level the same, it's just the memory of the event that changed?

I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a jerk.

I think it does have some to do with memory. When I assisted with the the babies cried when we got the naked and laid them on the table. They were quickly numbed and soothed by the parent and myself and calmed down almost immediately. 

Babies also have it taken care of by the parents and they just lay around. They aren't moving and are wiped gently and have cream applied by us. J's healed quickly and he didn't fuss at all when I changed him in the days after.

[eav2c]

Aug 5, 2013 20:34:26 GMT -5 TrudyCampbell said:

I really don't want to start a huge debate, but why is it that the general consensus is that babies feel little to no pain but if adults choose to so it its this horrible procedure? Isn't the pain level the same, it's just the memory of the event that changed?

I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a jerk.

That is a good question. Honestly, C did not care one ounce about his circumcision. He got the plastibell circumcision though and it might make it less painful? I don't know how common that type of circumcision is though.

[robinsparkles430]

I don't understand the point of debating when it comes to this. It is a personal and family decision and isn't for anyone to sway you one way or another. I'm sure everyone does their own research and then decides based on what they feel is best for their son.

[browneyedhunni85]

Aug 5, 2013 20:47:07 GMT -5 eav2c said:

Aug 5, 2013 20:34:26 GMT -5 TrudyCampbell said:

I really don't want to start a huge debate, but why is it that the general consensus is that babies feel little to no pain but if adults choose to so it its this horrible procedure? Isn't the pain level the same, it's just the memory of the event that changed?

I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a jerk.

That is a good question. Honestly, C did not care one ounce about his circumcision. He got the plastibell circumcision though and it might make it less painful? I don't know how common that type of circumcision is though.

This is the type of circ Christian had as well. It fell off on it's own.

[TrudyCampbell]

Aug 5, 2013 20:47:16 GMT -5 robinsparkles430 said:

I don't understand the point of debating when it comes to this. It is a personal and family decision and isn't for anyone to sway you one way or another. I'm sure everyone does their own research and then decides based on what they feel is best for their son.

I agree, I'm just trying to decide what I'll do.

[robinsparkles430]

Oh I know. This was just a general statement. I think it's great that you are thinking about it now and weighing your choices. You may be growing a sweet smelly boy so you need to think about it   TrudyCampbell

[Deleted]

Aug 5, 2013 20:34:26 GMT -5 TrudyCampbell said:

I really don't want to start a huge debate, but why is it that the general consensus is that babies feel little to no pain but if adults choose to so it its this horrible procedure? Isn't the pain level the same, it's just the memory of the event that changed?

I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a jerk.

I think because they dont remember it, or they go into shock. My nephew had his done and when his dad brought him to the car she said he was wide eye and making deep heaving sounds every time he took a breath. He had all the numbing medication, but I cant imagine it actually numbing it to where they cant feel anything. And afterwards, I would assume they are sore. But newborns cry anyway so how do you know they arent crying because of the pain or for any other reason?

I also have three nephews on my H's side who all had difficulties with their circs healing, DH had part of his re-seal on one side, his mother said the procedure was awful and he wouldnt stop screaming. The infection argument doesnt make sense to me since there are risks of infection from getting it done in the first place. Why worry about a rare infection from not getting it done, when its preventable?

So ultimately, we didnt have it done because we couldnt find any reason TO do it, and we also think they are born perfectly the way they are. No need to change anything.

[musiclover]

This is not going to end well.......
Lol

[lolaburns]

These conversations always me twitchy, but I feel like this is a VERY personal decision between a husband and wife.

I had never thought about it either way until my due date drew closer. After reading all the BMB and tri board posts about it ,I became paranoid in deferring to my husband. We both read information on either side but my H really wanted him circumcised. I talked about it with my mother assuming my dad an my brother were circumcised and it turns out they were not. So it all threw me for a loop. I asked my dad what he thought and he told me it was a personal decision and my H and I should discuss it without outside influence ... There was no right or wrong.

Of course, the evening the pediatrician came for him to do the circumcision, I was alone in the room while my H and parents went to dinner. All of he visuals and anxiety from the board posts had me in tears. DS didn't cry and it wasn't as horrific as those sites or posts made me believe. It never became infected or peeled. I never had I pull skin back or do anything crazy. The only one thing that happened was he got an inclusion cyst around 3 months but that could have happened circumcised or not.

I gave birth at a Jewish-based hospital and had an in hospital Jewish pedi performing the circ, so I felt very comfortable with the level of experience. I had a close male uncirc'd friend of mine influence our decision to circ a little bit. All in all, it is a personal decision and there is no right or wrong.

[Deleted]

Well, since Cam had it again a month ago, I can say it was 2 different experiences. I'm not sure if it is age or what. But I do know a lot of it has to do with movement. As a newborn, they arent moving and the penis area is very well lubed up with vaseline. When Cam had his done again, he was walking around which caused a lot of pain because the penis was rubbing against the diaper. The surgeon told us we didnt need to use vaseline... but he was an idiot. We DID need to use vaseline on the inside of the diaper because the kid couldnt even walk without screaming in pain and doubling over. The moment we put vaseline in his diaper and stopped the dry rubbing, he was completely fine. Didn't even need tylenol.

[Deleted]

And there are complications with having it done. Like we had. Camden didn't have enough skin taken off, so it always wanted to reattach. I know a few boys who have had this problem. With that being said, it doesnt happen EVERY time, but it can. Just like uncirc'ed can have problems. There can be pro's and con's to both.

[eav2c]

Oh boy, lol!

[creamsiclechica]

This is interesting that this is a thread, because we were just discussing this with our friends (I swear we're not weirdos) this evening. Their son is adopted, he was a foster to adopt and they got him when he was 4 months, and he is uncircumcised. They've had some difficulty with infection despite being diligent and clean, so they were mentioning they wished they had the option to have done it at birth.

Matt feels very strongly about circumcision. I am not thrilled about the pain aspect, and because I'm pretty crunchy, I do have my doubts on whether it's the "right" thing to do. We've discussed it at length, and we're not at odds, and I do have to defer to my husband a little bit in the respect that he has a bit more knowledge/personal experience than I do. And truthfully, he is adamant, and I feel it's a compromise in parenting I'm willing to make, especially since he's incredibly supportive to my strong desires in parenting otherwise. He's never once questioned or disputed my most held fast parenting guidelines, and I think it's fair to support him in those he feels equally strongly about too. He worries about infection first and foremost.

[Dorothy Zbornak]

I have seen both kinds of wieners ... all are ugly.

[pippilongstocking]

P is not. It's not really common here. No one asked me if I wanted it done in the hospital, I think you have to see a dr when you get out of hospital. None of the babies in my mothers group are and I don't know of any others that are.

[Deleted]

Aug 6, 2013 3:44:22 GMT -5 pippilongstocking said:

P is not. It's not really common here. No one asked me if I wanted it done in the hospital, I think you have to see a dr when you get out of hospital. None of the babies in my mothers group are and I don't know of any others that are.

Same here.. there is one boy in my Mum's Group who is circ'd and there's apparently only one Dr. in our city who even does it.  It's pretty difficult to get it done, by the sounds of it.

[pippilongstocking]

Aug 6, 2013 4:19:51 GMT -5 @starbound said:

Aug 6, 2013 3:44:22 GMT -5 pippilongstocking said:

P is not. It's not really common here. No one asked me if I wanted it done in the hospital, I think you have to see a dr when you get out of hospital. None of the babies in my mothers group are and I don't know of any others that are.

Same here.. there is one boy in my Mum's Group who is circ'd and there's apparently only one Dr. in our city who even does it.  It's pretty difficult to get it done, by the sounds of it.

They do it at my gp's office (there is a sign up that you need to make an appt for it). They just do it in the treatment room. I was in there once cause I had to use the nebuliser and a baby came in to get it done, I thought they were going to do it right in front of me! 
I think Muslim people get it done. I'm pretty sure that family was Muslim. Maybe they do it for religious reasons?

[katfco]

Aug 6, 2013 4:29:03 GMT -5 pippilongstocking said:

Aug 6, 2013 4:19:51 GMT -5 @starbound said:

Same here.. there is one boy in my Mum's Group who is circ'd and there's apparently only one Dr. in our city who even does it.  It's pretty difficult to get it done, by the sounds of it.

They do it at my gp's office (there is a sign up that you need to make an appt for it). They just do it in the treatment room. I was in there once cause I had to use the nebuliser and a baby came in to get it done, I thought they were going to do it right in front of me! 
I think Muslim people get it done. I'm pretty sure that family was Muslim. Maybe they do it for religious reasons?

Yes, Muslims do it for religious reasons, same as Jewish people.

[pippilongstocking]

Aug 6, 2013 5:57:36 GMT -5 katfco said:

Aug 6, 2013 4:29:03 GMT -5 pippilongstocking said:

They do it at my gp's office (there is a sign up that you need to make an appt for it). They just do it in the treatment room. I was in there once cause I had to use the nebuliser and a baby came in to get it done, I thought they were going to do it right in front of me! 
I think Muslim people get it done. I'm pretty sure that family was Muslim. Maybe they do it for religious reasons?

Yes, Muslims do it for religious reasons, same as Jewish people.

Thanks! That is what I thought!

[Deleted]

So Jake was sort of thinking about circ'ing them and I was pretty adamant about not. So I said "okay, let's look into the procedure more so we know what it entails, b/c like any medical thing we're not going into it blindly." We read up, watched a video, and decided that circumcising isn't for us. It ended up to be a mutual decision.

Ultimately it's their body and their decision. If they decide later on to get a circumcision we would support 100%.

I only read the first page and probably won't read the others. There are some really stupid arguments for circ'ing out there. I honestly DGAF what you do w your kid's penis but the judgment in the stupid circ'ing arguments is atrocious IMHO. Just say you wanted it and leave it at that.

[irishsara]

Aug 6, 2013 9:15:25 GMT -5 ninjabridemom said:

So Jake was sort of thinking about circ'ing them and I was pretty adamant about not. So I said "okay, let's look into the procedure more so we know what it entails, b/c like any medical thing we're not going into it blindly." We read up, watched a video, and decided that circumcising isn't for us. It ended up to be a mutual decision.

Ultimately it's their body and their decision. If they decide later on to get a circumcision we would support 100%.

I only read the first page and probably won't read the others. There are some really stupid arguments for circ'ing out there. I honestly DGAF what you do w your kid's penis but the judgment in the stupid circ'ing arguments is atrocious IMHO. Just say you wanted it and leave it at that.

I don't know if you mean here,  but it doesn't seem to me like there is any judgement in this post.  I agree that there usually is surrounding this topic, but to me, this post is pretty neutral, I think.

[rjamz]

Aug 6, 2013 9:15:25 GMT -5 ninjabridemom said:

So Jake was sort of thinking about circ'ing them and I was pretty adamant about not. So I said "okay, let's look into the procedure more so we know what it entails, b/c like any medical thing we're not going into it blindly." We read up, watched a video, and decided that circumcising isn't for us. It ended up to be a mutual decision.

Ultimately it's their body and their decision. If they decide later on to get a circumcision we would support 100%.

I only read the first page and probably won't read the others. There are some really stupid arguments for circ'ing out there. I honestly DGAF what you do w your kid's penis but the judgment in the stupid circ'ing arguments is atrocious IMHO. Just say you wanted it and leave it at that.

I haven't seen any judgment in this post at all.

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[rjamz]

Aug 6, 2013 5:57:36 GMT -5 katfco said:

Aug 6, 2013 4:29:03 GMT -5 pippilongstocking said:

They do it at my gp's office (there is a sign up that you need to make an appt for it). They just do it in the treatment room. I was in there once cause I had to use the nebuliser and a baby came in to get it done, I thought they were going to do it right in front of me! 
I think Muslim people get it done. I'm pretty sure that family was Muslim. Maybe they do it for religious reasons?

Yes, Muslims do it for religious reasons, same as Jewish people.

I don't know if things have changed but traditionally Muslim boys were circumcised at age 13 bc that's the age that Ishmael, Abraham's first son, had it done.

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[Deleted]

Yeah I did read through. I wasn't sure how it was going to go! This was a good circ discussion.