She's an amazing mother. She should probably be nominated for an award.
WHERE DID ANYONE SAY THAT?
My goodness. You jump to crazy conclusions. Just because someone says X might be the case (simply to point out that you can't assume Y) you then think that everyone is saying X must be true in this case and in all other cases.
Ok, it's driving me crazy that you can't seem to see any shades of grey, ever.
Cops are either all evil or all heroes.
She's either the world's greatest mother or she's a complete asshole.
The hyperbolic statements are kind of ridiculous.
That's a Two way street in this thread.
If you actually read my responses, you would see that I made those statements in reference to vibe I was getting from the other posters.
Please re-read Irish's reply to you. Then read it again. And again. Until it sinks in.
"My goodness. You jump to crazy conclusions. Just because someone says X might be the case (simply to point out that you can't assume Y) you then think that everyone is saying X must be true in this case and in all other cases."
Major, that article made me cry. I know she's wrong for a lot of her behavior but I can feel her anger and her resentment clear as day and I'm really not sure I can blame her for feeling that way.
And did you see one her babies said someone had abused him in one of the children's homes where they placed him and the manager's response was meh, we'll sort it out. We deal with this shit all the time.
Oh God, that judge took her children away because she refused to answer whether or not she was pregnant and because the judge reasoned if she didn't have her kids, she could get a job.
"The mother, who has no reported job history and who has eschewed self sufficiency efforts such as job search assistance, will now have an opportunity to gain employment - now that her children are being cared for by the state."
@hayworth - Has anyone mentioned the fact that we AREN'T actually "funneling" money to solve these problems? Far from it in fact. I just came from a strategic meeting of my non-profit social service agency and we wondered whether it is worth it to continue to point out that we have unfunded mandates. The Section 8 housing voucher list is 10 years long in MA, cities and towns with affordable housing have several years waits as well and generally just close down their waiting lists because what's the point. I know Mitt Romney believed that the poor were "taken care of" with programs so he didn't need to worry about them. Just because the programs are "there" does not mean that they are really there at all. If there is a 10 year waiting list for housing - can you really call it a successful safety net? The same thing goes for child care vouchers and Head Start as far as waiting lists. So how about we actually funnel the money to the programs we say we have and see what happens vis a vis poverty.
@hayworth - this got lost in the mix. Do you still consider it a "funnel" of money if the vast majority of safety net programs are woefully underfunded? (the only exception I can think of that is fully funded is food stamps - although the funding has been slashed )
And did you see one her babies said someone had abused him in one of the children's homes where they placed him and the manager's response was meh, we'll sort it out. We deal with this shit all the time.
How do I put this in a way that is easily understood?
This is one woman. One woman who is struggling, and has been struggling and has 12 kids she had/has custody over at the same time. And you hate her - or at least that is the impression you are throwing out there. You seem to hate this woman who can barely put a roof over her head and needs help to feed and clothe her children. Sure, maybe she is an asshole for no reason. But to put this much energy into hating someone, smearing their image, and saying she is raising her children to become assholes. What is there to gain beyond moral superiority because you are so grateful and thankful and such a better human being than she is.
I am not saying she is the world's best mom, but I don't think she is the world's worst mom either. I think she is in a terrible situation and needs all the help she can get that is actually helpful and supportive and works to counter-act the systems in place that put her where she is in the first place.
I don't even know what to say now. That situation is utterly horrible and if I were here, I'd have anger issues like no one else's business.
Right? The more I read, the more I'm like, "Of course she's angry! She has a lot of very legitimate things to be angry about, for pete's sake!"
And the confrontation with the cops happened after her children were taken from her because she didn't want to tell the judge about the goings on of her uterus.
And she comes from a large family so I can see why she would want one.
It sounds like they've always taken care of each other. At least one family member petitioned the state to be permitted to care for her children. As far as I can see, that petition wasn't granted.
Oh God, that judge took her children away because she refused to answer whether or not she was pregnant and because the judge reasoned if she didn't have her kids, she could get a job.
"The mother, who has no reported job history and who has eschewed self sufficiency efforts such as job search assistance, will now have an opportunity to gain employment - now that her children are being cared for by the state."
Yes, what job would she get that would support her and all the kids eventually - with a middle school education, no job history, and a lack of manufacturing and service jobs that pay a living wage.
I also really feel pissed for her b/c I too wouldn't want the court telling me what to do and would want to fight back, but without expensive lawyers, that is difficult (and honestly is with CPS even if you do have expensive lawyers).
So what is she supposed to do? I mean, I don't advocate having 15 children with no career or income, but she's already there and can't take that back.