Right? The more I read, the more I'm like, "Of course she's angry! She has a lot of very legitimate things to be angry about, for pete's sake!"
And the confrontation with the cops happened after her children were taken from her because she didn't want to tell the judge about the goings on of her uterus.
In another article it says her confrontation with the cops was after they'd been called to her 9 year old sons school after he brought a knife to school
And the confrontation with the cops happened after her children were taken from her because she didn't want to tell the judge about the goings on of her uterus.
In another article it says her confrontation with the cops was after they'd been called to her 9 year old sons school after he brought a knife to school
That's possible. I was just thinking that if was after there were issues with a justice system, she wouldn't exactly feel the warm serve and protect fuzzies when she saw black and whites roll up to her house.
In another article it says her confrontation with the cops was after they'd been called to her 9 year old sons school after he brought a knife to school
the articles i read said they came about rocks being throw.
your google-fu is better than mine. can you find them on FB?
According to that article, she and several of her children attacked the police officers.
From everything so far, she sounds like a pretty crappy mom. She can't provide her children with the very basics of food and shelter and clothing and doesn't seem very interested in doing anything to change that (and doesn't even seem interested in preventing having even more children she can't provide for). And getting your children involved in an attack on the police does not exactly shout 'instilling good values.' And yes, she has a terrible attitude. Maybe she has reasons for that attitude. I imagine someone who didn't have anyone in her life that cared to make sure she stayed in middle school probably has a lot of reasons to be bitter.
Regardless, she's one person. An anecdote. I'm not taking her story to mean anything more than what it is.
Right? The more I read, the more I'm like, "Of course she's angry! She has a lot of very legitimate things to be angry about, for pete's sake!"
And the confrontation with the cops happened after her children were taken from her because she didn't want to tell the judge about the goings on of her uterus.
From the other article, the judge sentenced her to contempt because she refused to provide a list of people who would be approved to visit the house where she and the children would live (which was a condition of her getting her kids back and getting the free house). There are so many sources here that I'm not sure what's really accurate or not.
contacted the fucking news. not a local agency or even a church. nope. the fucking news, so they could roll up and catch an angry welfare queen on camera.
OH! Yes, that was another thing I meant to bring up but carried away. The fucker contacted the NEWS. To see if there was some way they could provide help to the family. No, the asshole saw all those kids, and probably the government vouchers and wanted to whistle blow. Because no way she could be receiving that aid legitimately, right?
God only knows what the poverty threshold is for a family of 17. No wonder her fiance was slinging dope.
Any low skilled job she's going to get is not going to provide a large enough income to make a dent in the amount of assistance the government will need to keep supplying. And even if it did, it would require her working hours for which most agencies will not subsidize childcare. In addition, the odder hours you work, the lower quality childcare you're likely to find.
Sad to say, the best investment these agencies can make now is in the future of her children. Having a mother at home who can look after them, insure they do their homework, and providing assistance that can lead the kids to further education and/or gainful, skilled, long lasting employment should be the highest priority.
The minimum needs for relatively decent success in school is security both in food, housing, and medical care.
We can give her a job with great money but what is she supposed to do when a child gets sick? 15 kids. She is the sole parent. Who is going to pick up the child from school/daycare, etc.? I'm assuming if I gave her a job at 80K a year there is only a limited amount of sick/personal/vacation time allowed before she gets canned.
She could go on the Mitt Romney plan and borrow $20,000 from her parents to start her own business! Then she could take time off whenever she needed to!
No, I never said her access to services should be contingent upon that. But yeah, she should be grateful-her attitude toward the help people have extended to her is total shit. As I’ve said before, in a civil society, gratefulness for help from others should be encouraged and her kids are going to likely grow up to be just and ungrateful as she is and that sucks.
What help has she gotten though? She most likely qualifies for section 8 housing and yet lives in a hotel room (which incidentally can't be very cost effective). Now, as jillboston explained, we know why. The list fir people who qualify is years long in a lot of places. But perhaps she would be more vocally appreciative if she had a decent place (as in enough space) to live.
She doesn't need parenting classes. She needs the basics that all of us on this board take for granted. Since her partner is in jail, who will provide the food, clothing, shelter, money, etc. that those fifteen kids need?
Post by simplyinpenguin on Jul 23, 2014 15:52:19 GMT -5
Also factor in the ages of these kids. It's not like all 15 kids are under the age of 9. Three have even moved out after turning 18.
So, why not set up shop and teach the older siblings on how to effectively care for their siblings while mom is being taught life/work skills and when/if she lands a job? It may seem like a raw deal to them, not being able to do much in the way of extra-curricular but I would think that having food, clothing, and shelter would take precedence over not being able to hang with friends every day after school.
Or would people be up in arms of "ZOMG now she's making her children raise her children!"? How would this situation be different than the Duggars?
Also factor in the ages of these kids. It's not like all 15 kids are under the age of 9. Three have even moved out after turning 18.
So, why not set up shop and teach the older siblings on how to effectively care for their siblings while mom is being taught life/work skills and when/if she lands a job? It may seem like a raw deal to them, not being able to do much in the way of extra-curricular but I would think that having food, clothing, and shelter would take precedence over not being able to hang with friends every day after school.
Or would people be up in arms of "ZOMG now she's making her children raise her children!"? How would this situation be different than the Duggars?
Well to be fair, I think the Duggars suck too.
Hey maybe she could have her residence declared a church!
Or would people be up in arms of "ZOMG now she's making her children raise her children!"? How would this situation be different than the Duggars?
The government won't allow for this. I'm not even being flippant. The Duggars get away with it because they're not being micromanaged by the government right now.
Also factor in the ages of these kids. It's not like all 15 kids are under the age of 9. Three have even moved out after turning 18.
So, why not set up shop and teach the older siblings on how to effectively care for their siblings while mom is being taught life/work skills and when/if she lands a job? It may seem like a raw deal to them, not being able to do much in the way of extra-curricular but I would think that having food, clothing, and shelter would take precedence over not being able to hang with friends every day after school.
Or would people be up in arms of "ZOMG now she's making her children raise her children!"? How would this situation be different than the Duggars?
I would rather her adult children focus on going to school and/or working. I don't think it would be fair for them to help raise their siblings if it would prevent them from pursuing educational and economic opportunities outside the home. We all know things aren't so easy for young adults these days economically.
If we are talking about helping this family with financial assistance so the children have a chance at a good life, then I would like to ensure that the children be able to pursue an education while not having to worry about basic things like food and shelter.
No, I never said her access to services should be contingent upon that. But yeah, she should be grateful-her attitude toward the help people have extended to her is total shit. As I’ve said before, in a civil society, gratefulness for help from others should be encouraged and her kids are going to likely grow up to be just and ungrateful as she is and that sucks.
What help has she gotten though? She most likely qualifies for section 8 housing and yet lives in a hotel room (which incidentally can't be very cost effective). Now, as jillboston explained, we know why. The list fir people who qualify is years long in a lot of places. But perhaps she would be more vocally appreciative if she had a decent place (as in enough space) to live.
She doesn't need parenting classes. She needs the basics that all of us on this board take for granted. Since her partner is in jail, who will provide the food, clothing, shelter, money, etc. that those fifteen kids need?
Section 8 follows certain occupancy standards regarding household size and number of bedrooms. The most I saw listed was a 11-12 household size would require a 6 bedroom unit. Not only is there often a waiting list, but finding a 7+ bedroom unit that accepts vouchers would be like searching for a unicorn.
OH! Yes, that was another thing I meant to bring up but carried away. The fucker contacted the NEWS. To see if there was some way they could provide help to the family. No, the asshole saw all those kids, and probably the government vouchers and wanted to whistle blow. Because no way she could be receiving that aid legitimately, right?
God only knows what the poverty threshold is for a family of 17. No wonder her fiance was slinging dope.
60k for a single mom with 12 children and 76k for a family of 17 going by the federal poverty level.
Also factor in the ages of these kids. It's not like all 15 kids are under the age of 9. Three have even moved out after turning 18.
So, why not set up shop and teach the older siblings on how to effectively care for their siblings while mom is being taught life/work skills and when/if she lands a job? It may seem like a raw deal to them, not being able to do much in the way of extra-curricular but I would think that having food, clothing, and shelter would take precedence over not being able to hang with friends every day after school.
Or would people be up in arms of "ZOMG now she's making her children raise her children!"? How would this situation be different than the Duggars?
I would rather her adult children focus on going to school and/or working. I don't think it would be fair for them to help raise their siblings if it would prevent them from pursuing educational and economic opportunities outside the home. We all know things aren't so easy for young adults these days economically.
If we are talking about helping this family with financial assistance so the children have a chance at a good life, then I would like to ensure that the children be able to pursue an education while not having to worry about basic things like food and shelter.
I'm talking about the ones still living with her. The teenagers/tweens. There has to be a couple of them. At least, during the school year, the mother knows where her kids are (or ought to be). I'm talking about after school when she's either working/taking a work skills class. Holidays where there is no school but she still has to work. I couldn't nor wouldn't expect the children already out of the house to boomerang back to raise their siblings, it just adds to the cost, kwim?
As for the government not allowing it. I can't fathom it. That would really put her in the "damned if you do, damned if you don't". She can't work because the government won't allow her teens to learn responsibility but they hassle her for not working and pumping out babies?
I'm hard pressed to imagine her children do not help out already or that they are taking after school activities. That's not the problem here, I assure you. I have three children and my oldest two contribute heavily to helping with the house and their baby brother. I'm not saying this is just a black folks thing but I do think that minority parents are far more likely to expect their children to help with the household, particularly once you get a passel of kids up in the piece.
But Pixy and others are right when they stay that the government has standards and decides what is considered adequate childcare and how many heartbeats as it were that you can put in section 8 or low income or affordable housing communities.
I'm hard pressed to imagine her children do not help out already or that they are taking after school activities. That's not the problem here, I assure you. I have three children and my oldest two contribute heavily to helping with the house and their baby brother. I'm not saying this is just a black folks thing but I do think that minority parents are far more likely to expect their children to help with the household, particularly once you get a passel of kids up in the piece.
But Pixy and others are right when they stay that the government has standards and decides what is considered adequate childcare and how many heartbeats as it were that you can put in section 8 or low income or affordable housing communities.
The article posted earlier described interviewing her at her house while the 11 year old son gave the baby a bottle. So I'm pretty sure all of this is already happening.
I do not think it is physically possible for one person to care for 10+ children alone without someone helping out (like the older children).
i wouldnt want to dance through government and agency help either. or deal with an asshole judge. and she wasn't before she got reported in 2008, which by then she already had 13/14 of her kids.
i can hear heyworth screaming about her being neglectful of her kids then if they didn't have power in their house, but they werent getting the assistance you are so pissed she isnt thankful for then.
and frankly, if this had been a white mother in rural BFE, or during the depression, everyone would just sqee, thank god she didnt have 13 abortions and admire her gumption for not having a pot to piss in but making sure her kids knew they were loved, believed in god, didnt take any govt money and stuck together in hard times.
Not me. Black, white, or green, that's way too many kids. I feel awful for the kids in these situations.
What help has she gotten though? She most likely qualifies for section 8 housing and yet lives in a hotel room (which incidentally can't be very cost effective). Now, as jillboston explained, we know why. The list fir people who qualify is years long in a lot of places. But perhaps she would be more vocally appreciative if she had a decent place (as in enough space) to live.
She doesn't need parenting classes. She needs the basics that all of us on this board take for granted. Since her partner is in jail, who will provide the food, clothing, shelter, money, etc. that those fifteen kids need?
Section 8 follows certain occupancy standards regarding household size and number of bedrooms. The most I saw listed was a 11-12 household size would require a 6 bedroom unit. Not only is there often a waiting list, but finding a 7+ bedroom unit that accepts vouchers would be like searching for a unicorn.
I work in this field. I've never.ever encountered a building or affordable housing community with units this large. It just doesn't happen. I don't know what the answer is, other than a private landlord with a large rental house accepting the Section 8 voucher. Which, yea, like a unicorn holding a needle in a haystack.
This woman is obviously mentally ill. Having 15 children, knowing you can't support them, is wrong. This isn't an, "oops, I have 3 kids and my husband lost his job and I accidentally got pregnant and now we're really in trouble" situation. She knows they live in poverty, she has no way to support them, and continues to have them.and each time she has another, she's taking away from the ones she already has because no one on the planet has the capacity to handle that many children alone.
This is a consistent pattern of behavior over years and years and years and she's having kids with complete disregard to their emotional well being, and physical needs (food/water/shelter).
Not only does she need counseling, I but I also think she should get a job. No, she won't be able to support anyone on what she makes, but at least that way she'd have some skin in the game. Some sense of what money is and where it comes from (as her only job up until now is to make babies, and try to figure out who is going to pay for them). It's an expensive and unproductive hobby.
This woman is obviously mentally ill. Having 15 children, knowing you can't support them, is wrong. This isn't an, "oops, I have 3 kids and my husband lost his job and I accidentally got pregnant and now we're really in trouble" situation. She knows they live in poverty, she has no way to support them, and continues to have them.and each time she has another, she's taking away from the ones she already has because no one on the planet has the capacity to handle that many children alone.
This is a consistent pattern of behavior over years and years and years and she's having kids with complete disregard to their emotional well being, and physical needs (food/water/shelter).
Not only does she need counseling, I but I also think she should get a job. No, she won't be able to support anyone on what she makes, but at least that way she'd have some skin in the game. Some sense of what money is and where it comes from (as her only job up until now is to make babies, and try to figure out who is going to pay for them). It's an expensive and unproductive hobby.
This is why a 10 page thread on this woman's situation is so silly. It's obviously an extreme one off. And just as clearly she's someone who actually does need help. Most people don't want to have 15 + kids though.
Give this woman her fucking social safety net. It sucks anyway. And as I've said before, I refuse to believe people choose to be poor. I've been poor. Now I'm not. Now is better. Bread and circuses people. Bread. And. Circuses.
Give this woman her fucking social safety net. It sucks anyway. And as I've said before, I refuse to believe people choose to be poor. I've been poor. Now I'm not. Now is better. Bread and circuses people. Bread. And. Circuses.
Sorry for typos.
Thank you.
WHAAAT? Being poor is totally worth it for the free groceries and the Obama phone.