Seriously, pixy0stix is going to be seriously disappointed in all of you.
If some of us can give up The Gap, AT, Loft, etc, people can give up CFA. YOU CAN DO IT!
Note: I ain't giving up LOFT or AT either.
Look, that's fine. But you of all people should at least be cognizant that your salad money is going to a corporation who funded the support of the Ugandan law that would have made it possible to kill homosexuals for being nothing more than gay.
It'd be like if I rolled up and said, "You know what? The KKK has done some shitty things in the past, but it looks like they're changing their ways. I'm gonna go have some pie in their restaurant." You'd be all up in my ass about that.
not sure, but I ASSume. Pixy knows. It's difficult to find clothes, yo!
BR is a GAP brand. Which, I don't shop there anyway because their clothes don't fit me well at.all. Even ON is hit or miss with me. So, for office suiting I rely on AT, LOFT and The Limited. I hate shopping at Macy's because I don't want to traverse a giant ass store. Let me walk in, see if I find something that suits my fancy and walk out. I hate wandering all over stores for stuff.
Macy's is my most hated store ever. Always a mess, impossible to find anything. I hate it.
They really are. And some of our good friends/neighbors are owner/operators of one of the busiest ones in ATL and they are the furthest thing from Dan Cathy. The wife is Jewish, first of all (gasp in the Christian world of CFA) and they were horrified when all of this went down.
I remember this being an issue at the time. Some of the CFAs are franchises rather than corporate stores and the franchise owners were like, "Umm... I don't hate gays. Please keep buying my chicken." Which is sorta valid except that if you buy into a CFA, your franchise money will go to the corporation and that money will go to hate on gays... but it is tricky.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
Look, that's fine. But you of all people should at least be cognizant that your salad money is going to a corporation who funded the support of the Ugandan law that would have made it possible to kill homosexuals for being nothing more than gay.
It'd be like if I rolled up and said, "You know what? The KKK has done some shitty things in the past, but it looks like they're changing their ways. I'm gonna go have some pie in their restaurant." You'd be all up in my ass about that.
You'd need to show me definitive proof that the owners or whoever was buying and selling stock or giving money to charity were totally aware of this support. Until you or anyone else knows without a single shadow of a doubt that these people are totally in support of killing the gays and were aware of this law - then I'm still eating my salad.
I think we all know that people buy/sell stock or give money to charities as huge corporations and don't know everything the charities fund. Then people point it out and folks are "Holy Shit! I was unaware." And go change their contributions.
They really are. And some of our good friends/neighbors are owner/operators of one of the busiest ones in ATL and they are the furthest thing from Dan Cathy. The wife is Jewish, first of all (gasp in the Christian world of CFA) and they were horrified when all of this went down.
I remember this being an issue at the time. Some of the CFAs are franchises rather than corporate stores and the franchise owners were like, "Umm... I don't hate gays. Please keep buying my chicken." Which is sorta valid except that if you buy into a CFA, your franchise money will go to the corporation and that money will go to hate on gays... but it is tricky.
CFA operates differently than, say, McDonalds. You can be an owner/operator but the building and the stuff inside it belongs to CFA corporate. A certain flat percentage of your profit every month goes to corporate. And if you ever want to get out then corporate will give you back the money you invested (which is minimal in terms of restaurant investing) and bring in a new owner/operator. I actually did some marketing for my friends restaurant for a summer (every store has their own marketing person) and learned a lot about how it was run, this was about 4 years ago so I don't remember all the details. But yes, I can assure you that they (corporate) got some of their biggest negative feedback from the owner/operators.
They really are. And some of our good friends/neighbors are owner/operators of one of the busiest ones in ATL and they are the furthest thing from Dan Cathy. The wife is Jewish, first of all (gasp in the Christian world of CFA) and they were horrified when all of this went down.
I remember this being an issue at the time. Some of the CFAs are franchises rather than corporate stores and the franchise owners were like, "Umm... I don't hate gays. Please keep buying my chicken." Which is sorta valid except that if you buy into a CFA, your franchise money will go to the corporation and that money will go to hate on gays... but it is tricky.
I wonder if they knew that, though, when they bought the franchise 20 years ago? Maybe they did. Just wondering.
It isn't just the Lemonade the people who work there are THE MOST polite people ever. I too like the Salads and it's one of the only places near my job that will cater and deliver. So some of you guys are going to be mad and disappointed.
They really are. And some of our good friends/neighbors are owner/operators of one of the busiest ones in ATL and they are the furthest thing from Dan Cathy. The wife is Jewish, first of all (gasp in the Christian world of CFA) and they were horrified when all of this went down.
Exactly. I was under the impression they were franchises as is the one near my office. Franchise deals are not very easy to get out of.
They really are. And some of our good friends/neighbors are owner/operators of one of the busiest ones in ATL and they are the furthest thing from Dan Cathy. The wife is Jewish, first of all (gasp in the Christian world of CFA) and they were horrified when all of this went down.
Exactly. I was under the impression they were franchises as is the one near my office. Franchise deals are not very easy to get out of.
I remember this being an issue at the time. Some of the CFAs are franchises rather than corporate stores and the franchise owners were like, "Umm... I don't hate gays. Please keep buying my chicken." Which is sorta valid except that if you buy into a CFA, your franchise money will go to the corporation and that money will go to hate on gays... but it is tricky.
I wonder if they knew that, though, when they bought the franchise 20 years ago? Maybe they did. Just wondering.
Also 20 years ago I don't even remember these issues being in the conversation as they are now.
Exactly. I was under the impression they were franchises as is the one near my office. Franchise deals are not very easy to get out of.
They aren't franchises. None of them are.
Then what are they? Because the one near my job has dude picture up and it mentions him being the Franchisee? Or maybe it was a Franchise operator? I am not sure now that you mention it.
I realize this. but it isn't a traditional franchise like a McDonalds or a Subway.
Edit:
This is not the right opportunity for you if you: Are seeking an investment or an equity position in a business. Want to sell property to Chick-fil-A, Inc. Are requesting that Chick-fil-A, Inc. build at a specified location. Are seeking multi-unit franchise opportunities. Would like to diversify your franchise portfolio.
Look, that's fine. But you of all people should at least be cognizant that your salad money is going to a corporation who funded the support of the Ugandan law that would have made it possible to kill homosexuals for being nothing more than gay.
It'd be like if I rolled up and said, "You know what? The KKK has done some shitty things in the past, but it looks like they're changing their ways. I'm gonna go have some pie in their restaurant." You'd be all up in my ass about that.
You'd need to show me definitive proof that the owners or whoever was buying and selling stock or giving money to charity were totally aware of this support. Until you or anyone else knows without a single shadow of a doubt that these people are totally in support of killing the gays and were aware of this law - then I'm still eating my salad.
I think we all know that people buy/sell stock or give money to charities as huge corporations and don't know everything the charities fund. Then people point it out and folks are "Holy Shit! I was unaware." And go change their contributions.
HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?! Their charitable donations for 2011 and 2012 included orgs that specifically deal in such things as "praying away the gay". As in, that's their sole mission. It's been hashed out about a billion and 4 times. This is what is frustrating. The proof is there.
Then what are they? Because the one near my job has dude picture up and it mentions him being the Franchisee? Or maybe it was a Franchise operator? I am not sure now that you mention it.
ETA: Never mind I scrolled up.
I think it is really confusing, and I really only understood it once I was helping our friends out with their marketing. You may be the owner/operator but CFA really holds all the strings. ALL the strings.
You'd need to show me definitive proof that the owners or whoever was buying and selling stock or giving money to charity were totally aware of this support. Until you or anyone else knows without a single shadow of a doubt that these people are totally in support of killing the gays and were aware of this law - then I'm still eating my salad.
I think we all know that people buy/sell stock or give money to charities as huge corporations and don't know everything the charities fund. Then people point it out and folks are "Holy Shit! I was unaware." And go change their contributions.
HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?! Their charitable donations for 2011 and 2012 included orgs that specifically deal in such things as "praying away the gay". As in, that's their sole mission. It's been hashed out about a billion and 4 times. This is what is frustrating. The proof is there.
From what SBP just posted:
"Chick-fil-A released a statement in July 2012 stating, "Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena."[1] In March 2014, tax filings for 2012 showed the group stopped funding all but one organization which had been previously criticized.[2]
Then what are they? Because the one near my job has dude picture up and it mentions him being the Franchisee? Or maybe it was a Franchise operator? I am not sure now that you mention it.
ETA: Never mind I scrolled up.
I think it is really confusing, and I really only understood it once I was helping our friends out with their marketing. You may be the owner/operator but CFA really holds all the strings. ALL the strings.
I think the managers/owners of the stores did a lot of hot footing around when the backlash started. As seen in this thread, the image of "small business owners" who "might not have the belief of corporate" is an easy sell. It was a good marketing scheme employed.
HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?! Their charitable donations for 2011 and 2012 included orgs that specifically deal in such things as "praying away the gay". As in, that's their sole mission. It's been hashed out about a billion and 4 times. This is what is frustrating. The proof is there.
From what SBP just posted:
"Chick-fil-A released a statement in July 2012 stating, "Going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena."[1] In March 2014, tax filings for 2012 showed the group stopped funding all but one organization which had been previously criticized.[2]
To which I replied earlier 1) It goes much farther than political meddling, and 2) was much worse than just supporting Prop8 like other companies/churches did. CFA gave money to identified hate groups and organizations that would be perfectly fine with lynching a gay person.
I don't think anyone who is an owner/operator was under any impression that CFA corporate was not a highly religious organization. This was not news. But I know that my friends were pretty horrified when all of this came out - call them naive for not looking into where CFA was donating money, but it is possible for owner/operators to see a good business opportunity and not have realized this. It takes a LOT of hard work to become an operator - my friend starting working in a restaurant in high school and worked his way up and was finally given his own store when he was like 32.
I also know the stores around here (in ATL so given that their hq are here it could be different than elsewhere) but these statements did not seem to hurt business. At all.
My point isn't the direct quote, but the evidence in the tax filings that they've stopped donating to such groups. Minus one - I'm sure that someone around here knows which group that is.
Post by aussiecrush on Jul 29, 2014 14:34:08 GMT -5
At the height of the CFA scandal they opened a location in our town. From all appearances it's clean, nice and does decent business. I'll never know more than that because I won't step foot in there. Or shop at Walmart. Or buy Nestle products. I can't change their business practices but I don't have to support them.
My point isn't the direct quote, but the evidence in the tax filings that they've stopped donating to such groups. Minus one - I'm sure that someone around here knows which group that is.
Fellowship of Christian Athletes
And my point is, I don't understand how you can just sweep years of funding and millions of dollars of hate under the rug because they have delicious lemonade. We're not talking about one year and a few thousand dollars. Nor have the leopards changed their spots. They're just better at hiding them now. Or are donating to them privately.
I also know the stores around here (in ATL so given that their hq are here it could be different than elsewhere) but these statements did not seem to hurt business. At all.
I was just discussing this with a friend - MD stores didn't seem affected either.
Yes. The GAP has a long history or human labor violations. They keep saying they're going to clean up their act, and then they're busted for something else.
My point isn't the direct quote, but the evidence in the tax filings that they've stopped donating to such groups. Minus one - I'm sure that someone around here knows which group that is.
I also know the stores around here (in ATL so given that their hq are here it could be different than elsewhere) but these statements did not seem to hurt business. At all.
No, because their food is delicious and they've promised to play nice, so who cares?
I also know the stores around here (in ATL so given that their hq are here it could be different than elsewhere) but these statements did not seem to hurt business. At all.
No, because their food is delicious and they've promised to play nice, so who cares?
That isn't my point at all. My point is that there are either enough people who agree or people who just don't care enough to boycott that their business didn't decline. It wasn't a personal declaration from me either way.
So wait, is it about what the company believes (since we're all "companies are people" now) or is it about what their dollars go to actively support? If the company no longer gives money to these organizations and thus your money isn't going towards them, does it matter what the people who run the company personally believe?
Is it about punishing people for having anti-gay beliefs? Or is it about not wanting your money to go towards those groups?
No, because their food is delicious and they've promised to play nice, so who cares?
That isn't my point at all. My point is that there are either enough people who agree or people who just don't care enough to boycott that their business didn't decline. It wasn't a personal declaration from me either way.
I know, my statement wasn't to you. More to the prevailing opinion about them.
Who knew that lemonade and nice salads could make people sponsor hate agendas? The KKK could learn a few things from them, although I hear their pie is good.