@helenabonhamcarter there was a case a couple years ago of a bunch of Haredi men attacking an 8 year old girl in Israel (spitting on her) for not dressing modestly enough. If a rigid, fundamental, extreme interpretation ofyour religion condones that behavior, something's wrong.
FTFY
It's my religion too and in NO WAY is that behavior condoned in Judaism. Not in the Tanakh. Not in the Talmud.
I'm glad you said this because it feels really contrary to the core values of Judaism, at least to me it does and I wondered how others felt about it.
It's my religion too and in NO WAY is that behavior condoned in Judaism. Not in the Tanakh. Not in the Talmud.
I'm glad you said this because it feels really contrary to the core values of Judaism, at least to me it does and I wondered how others felt about it.
You are Reform, correct, do you know how Orthodox Jews feel about this community, generally? I work with quite a few Orthodox Jewish men, and I would think they would be appalled, however it occurred to me that I don't really know.
@helenabonhamcarter there was a case a couple years ago of a bunch of Haredi men attacking an 8 year old girl in Israel (spitting on her) for not dressing modestly enough. If a rigid, fundamental, extreme interpretation ofyour religion condones that behavior, something's wrong.
FTFY
It's my religion too and in NO WAY is that behavior condoned in Judaism. Not in the Tanakh. Not in the Talmud.
Sorry, that wasn't intended to paint everyone with the same brush.
I'm glad you said this because it feels really contrary to the core values of Judaism, at least to me it does and I wondered how others felt about it.
You are Reform, correct, do you know how Orthodox Jews feel about this community, generally? I work with quite a few Orthodox Jewish men, and I would think they would be appalled, however it occurred to me that I don't really know.
BFF is Orthodox and has nothing good to say about the Haredi families in our area. I don't know if that's widespread believe but she is definitely appalled at some of their behavior.
I'm glad you said this because it feels really contrary to the core values of Judaism, at least to me it does and I wondered how others felt about it.
You are Reform, correct, do you know how Orthodox Jews feel about this community, generally? I work with quite a few Orthodox Jewish men, and I would think they would be appalled, however it occurred to me that I don't really know.
You are Reform, correct, do you know how Orthodox Jews feel about this community, generally? I work with quite a few Orthodox Jewish men, and I would think they would be appalled, however it occurred to me that I don't really know.
I am currently Reform, but I grew up Conservative and have family that is Orthodox. Many of them roll their eyes at the Haredi; however, they are considered "Modern Orthodox". The Haredi are their own special level of extremism. Like, there's the Christian that goes to church on Sundays, and then there's the Christian that writes Harry Potter Christian fanfic.
You want to have your hair stand on end, go read some of the blogs by dominionist fundamental Christians. They literally believe that we need to wipe all non-Christians (anyone not of their particular flavor of the faith) off the map in order to establish a theonomy based on rigid interpretations of Old Testament law. The documentary Jesus Camp touches on it a tiny bit when they start encouraging the kids to "shed blood in the name of Christ" or something like that, but it's horrifying.
Totally random (because Google will do that to you): Ivanka Trump is Orthodox Jewish. She apparently converted before she married her husband. I guess it makes sense that her father looks like petrified foreskin. lol!
Shrug. I don't dispute that they should have made arrangements beforehand. I just think it's kind of shitty to dig in your heels over your assigned seat and delay the plane any further. Just sit wherethefuckever and go.
I do not believe for a second that you would move and sit separately from your H and kids for an 11 hour flight.
I would in a heart beat. That means I can read and sleep while h takes care of the kids
I guess at the end of the day, my feeling is that the person who has accepted the religious restriction should bear the onus of abiding by said restriction. Otherwise, I feel it's not true devotion.
So if your religion doesn't allow you to come in contact with women and flying risks that, don't fly.
As I said before, reasonable accommodations are fine but if they don't satisfy the requirements, then you should avoid the activity that's fucking with your religious devotion.
Also the praying in the aisles part would have made me fucking hostile. It's an 11 hour flight, assholes. I EXPECT TO SLEEP!
That is actually increbily common on flights to Israel. Praying before bed and at sunrise is a major must for religious Jews. It literally happens on every single flight, El Al or not.
The praying thing...so, really observant Jewish men pray A LOT. Like, multiple times a day. Depending on the time of the flight (i.e., which 12 hours they are flying), there are dudes (usually in the back of the plane, not the aisles) praying at all hours of the flight. I've been on a few El Al flights, and I've never seen men praying in the aisles.
Honestly, during the daytime flight, nobody stays in their damn seat anyway. Not for 12 hours.
Really? I'm shocked. I've flown to Israel more times than I can count and every single flight has had praying in the aisles. Even people on my birthright flight were praying in the aisles. The flight attendants just wait in them for their morning and evening davening.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
I never heard of such a thing. The things I learn on this board. Seems odd to go to such great lengths to create such a loophole. I would think the truly devout would find this problematic.
And do they not visit cemeteries? How do they bury their dead if they can't go to one? Or can they only go to their own cemetaries?
MrsAJL can probably explain this better than I can but Kohens can't be around dead bodies due to the unclean state of a body. I was recently at a Jewish funeral and my friend (who's Orthodox, but not Hasidic) was explaining this little building that's separate from the rest of the funeral home. It's for the mourners who cannot be around a body - there's a live feed of the funeral shown in the little building so they can participate but not be in the same space.This explains it a bit. www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/543128/jewish/Is-a-Kohen-allowed-to-attend-the-funeral-of-a-loved-one.htm
This doesn't explain the bags, though. So they have to be in a separate building, and that separate building that's (at most) a few hundred feet away is "safe," but being miles away from a cemetery in the air, while in a plane (how does that not count as a building?) isn't enough? The bag is somehow more protection from the ghost cooties than the WHOLE FUCKING PLANE and the MILES of space between yourself and the cemetery? I mean, honestly, you are farthest from a cemetery when you're up in a plane, unless you live in the middle of nowhere. For example, right now, sitting in my house, I am 0.7 miles away from a funeral home driving, but closer to 0.5 miles (2640 feet) away from if it you were to draw a straight line. Airplanes cruise at about 35,000 feet, so more than 13 times farther away from that funeral home than I am right now? If you cannot be within 35,000 feet of a funeral home, then I expect you (general you) to go EVERYWHERE in that plastic bag.
ETA: The practice itself doesn't bother me, as it doesn't affect anyone other than the one doing the practicing, but the logic behind it is driving me nuts!
This doesn't explain the bags, though. So they have to be in a separate building, and that separate building that's (at most) a few hundred feet away is "safe," but being miles away from a cemetery in the air, while in a plane (how does that not count as a building?) isn't enough? The bag is somehow more protection from the ghost cooties than the WHOLE FUCKING PLANE and the MILES of space between yourself and the cemetery? I mean, honestly, you are farthest from a cemetery when you're up in a plane, unless you live in the middle of nowhere. For example, right now, sitting in my house, I am 0.7 miles away from a funeral home driving, but closer to 0.5 miles (2640 feet) away from if it you were to draw a straight line. Airplanes cruise at about 35,000 feet, so more than 13 times farther away from that funeral home than I am right now? If you cannot be within 35,000 feet of a funeral home, then I expect you (general you) to go EVERYWHERE in that plastic bag.
ETA: The practice itself doesn't bother me, as it doesn't affect anyone other than the one doing the practicing, but the logic behind it is driving me nuts!
Because they are attention whores. There's really no way around it.
This doesn't explain the bags, though. So they have to be in a separate building, and that separate building that's (at most) a few hundred feet away is "safe," but being miles away from a cemetery in the air, while in a plane (how does that not count as a building?) isn't enough? The bag is somehow more protection from the ghost cooties than the WHOLE FUCKING PLANE and the MILES of space between yourself and the cemetery? I mean, honestly, you are farthest from a cemetery when you're up in a plane, unless you live in the middle of nowhere. For example, right now, sitting in my house, I am 0.7 miles away from a funeral home driving, but closer to 0.5 miles (2640 feet) away from if it you were to draw a straight line. Airplanes cruise at about 35,000 feet, so more than 13 times farther away from that funeral home than I am right now? If you cannot be within 35,000 feet of a funeral home, then I expect you (general you) to go EVERYWHERE in that plastic bag.
ETA: The practice itself doesn't bother me, as it doesn't affect anyone other than the one doing the practicing, but the logic behind it is driving me nuts!
Because they are attention whores. There's really no way around it.