Well this post started with a huge WTF and just spiraled downhill from there. Holy shit for real. Maybe, just maybe, these silly little women can figure out what is best for themselves? Murder? Jesus Christ.
Post by ClosingTime08 on Oct 22, 2014 15:43:55 GMT -5
Thanks everyone...I have accepted that my mother isn't capable of being the mother I should have had/wanted. I am at peace with it now. To your point, peachy, people don't want to talk about it (if they know). When I first met my husband I innocently asked him, did you ever feel unwanted growing up, I thought it was normal. Lots of therapy and AD's have gotten me through life but people don't see that side of it. I wish people would understand more than sometimes its not as simple as, put the baby up for adoption. The unborn child in question is going to be the source of resentment and always feeling unwanted for the rest of its life and that's what hurts me the most because no little child should have to beg for their mother's love/attention.
I don't think just giving a child up for adoption is as easy as some of you think it is.
I never said easy. But it's easier than murder. It's still an emotional toll, but guess what, emotions get involved after a life is created. No way around it. But that part is done, so how are you going to handle the 2nd life now? No solution is going to be easy.
I'm sure this has been said already, but just in case, fuck you.
ETA: another murderer here. I won't even justify it. I did it, and I feel zero remorse.
Pamela has a history that might make her very sensitive to this comment, so this remark might come off as truly hurtful.
Huh. So when you spout off on a message board about sensitive topics like this in casual and/or callous fashion you might incidentally, insensitively, really hurt someone?
"You. You and your crazy life. You and your geographic anomaly. You and your drunken lesbianic ways and terrible navigational skills." - ProfArt and her holy baby
Well, there are not enough fuck yous in the world for this thread. Holy shit.
Seems like a good place to drop this too, since Pamela proclaimed there would be no punishment for "natural death":
Christina Quintanilla's nightmare with El Salvador's abortion law began on Oct. 26, 2004.
Quintanilla was 17 at the time, and seven months pregnant with her second child. She was living in her mother's apartment, and that night, she couldn't get comfortable. Her belly was bulging, her back was aching, and her stomach was upset.
"I felt — I don't how to describe it — a pain, a terrible pain," she says through a translator. "And then I felt like I couldn't breathe, like I was drowning."
Shots - Health News Opponents Spar In Court Over Texas Clinics That Do Abortions Quintanilla says she went into labor but soon passed out. The next thing she remembered was her mom picking her up from a pool of blood on the bathroom floor.
Both she and her mother, Carmen, say the baby was stillborn.
No one came after Carmen called 911, so a neighbor sent Quintanilla to the public hospital. When she woke up, it wasn't doctors who greeted her but criminal investigators. They had come to arrest her on charges of murdering her child.
"I was shocked by what he had said," she recalls. "I didn't have any words. I couldn't say anything."
Latin America has some of the most restrictive abortion laws in the world, with some exceptions for rape cases or if the mother's health is in danger.
Parallels Brazil's Restrictions On Abortion May Get More Restrictive But abortion is completely banned in El Salvador. The law recognizes a fetus as a human being from the moment of conception. In a high-profile case last year of a pregnant woman with lupus, the Salvadoran Supreme Court refused to allow her an abortion despite her doctors saying carrying the baby to term could endanger her life.
A woman accused of terminating a pregnancy in El Salvador can face up to 50 years in prison.
The law also requires doctors, nurses and other medical professionals to report suspected abortions.
In Quintanilla's case, an anonymous hospital worker had called the police and accused Quintanilla of having an abortion. As a result, she was dragged into a court case that lasted almost 12 months.
She and her family members say they'd been eagerly awaiting the birth of her second child. They'd even had a baby shower for her. Quintanilla says emphatically that she did not kill her baby.
The hospital had found no evidence that she had intentionally aborted the pregnancy. But the district attorney pushed forward anyway, arguing that Quintanilla had terminated the pregnancy because she couldn't support another child.
During the trial, Quintanilla says, her public defender was awful and couldn't even remember her name.
In the end, she was sentenced to 30 years in prison. She served four years before a young lawyer stumbled across her case and managed to get her sentence overturned. He argued successfully that no one ever established the cause of her baby's death.
Quintanilla is now back in her home in the eastern city of San Miguel. She lives with her 11-year-old son, Daniel, and her daughter, Alexandra, who was born after she was released from prison. Three-year-old Alexandra is a whirlwind of energy, and they simply call her "la reina," or the queen. Quintanilla says her life, post-prison, is peaceful.
"I look after my children and my family. I help out my relatives," she says. "I end up with a little extra money, and that's the good life I now have."
Pamela has a history that might make her very sensitive to this comment, so this remark might come off as truly hurtful.
When Pamela stops making these types of remarks, knowing that she is purposely attacking and being truly hurtful to many posters on here, then maybe others might consider her fucking feelings. Just like she has a history some on here know about, she is fully aware of the history of other posters here as well.
Post by tacoflavoredkisses on Oct 22, 2014 16:42:50 GMT -5
I don't like to talk much about this but my grandmother strongly encouraged my mother to abort me. As in, woke my mom up every morning at 6am the first and second tri telling her to get up and go to the clinic and get rid of me.
While I consider myself fortunate that my mom did want me, she was emotionally fucked from that abuse and life has been hard with her. And it's always made things weird for me knowing my grandmother didn't want me around. That's a mindfuck. Really.
IDK. Assuming we're referring to Pamela's history being a miscarriage... I do feel a little squicky about throwing that back in her face. I feel like miscarrying a wanted baby is an entirely different emotional issue than choosing to have an abortion (assuming the abortion was not for humane/medical reasons, I guess. If it was medical I'd say it's more similar to a miscarriage).
It's not cool to call me a murderer, but I more or less roll my eyes because duh, I'm not one. I don't believe I killed a baby, I believe I stopped some cells from becoming a potential baby. I did not love that cluster of cells. If anything, I hated it. If someone truly beleived they were carrying an actual baby and loved that baby and then lost it... I know biologically they are the same thing, maybe, but it's not the same.
For those saying adoption is the answer I can say that's not always the case. I was adopted at a young age and my life was hell. I spent the majority of my childhood and adolescents wishing I were dead due to my circumstances. I cried myself to sleep on every birthday from 13-18 because they were completely ignored. I was made to dress and look like a freak so my school life was hell all because my mom was a sociopath. I wanted to commit suicide so often. I was out on my ass at the age of 17, the summer before my senior year. I worked full-time while going to school my senior year since I had to support myself.
The alternative apparently was growing up in poverty with a drug addicted mother who was neglectful and unstable.
So you fucking tell me, knowing all or that, what would have been the best choice for my birth mom, abortion, adoption or keeping me?
IDK. Assuming we're referring to Pamela's history being a miscarriage... I do feel a little squicky about throwing that back in her face. I feel like miscarrying a wanted baby is an entirely different emotional issue than choosing to have an abortion (assuming the abortion was not for humane/medical reasons, I guess. If it was medical I'd say it's more similar to a miscarriage).
It's not cool to call me a murderer, but I more or less roll my eyes because duh, I'm not one. I don't believe I killed a baby, I believe I stopped some cells from becoming a potential baby. I did not love that cluster of cells. If anything, I hated it. If someone truly beleived they were carrying an actual baby and loved that baby and then lost it... I know biologically they are the same thing, maybe, but it's not the same.
I don't disagree with your general points, but she knowingly came into a thread about a sensitive topic and threw around pretty inflammatory remarks, knowing that they would be offensive to many posters. She might be an asshole, but she isn't stupid (biology aside). If she doesn't want her feelings to get hurt over her miscarriage(s), she might want to take others feelings about their own abortions into account before she calls us all murderers.
I'm in your boat. Actually, in Pamela's, and others like her, eyes, I'm probably the worst. I didn't get pregnant via rape, or with an abusive ex, or anything like that. I was in a happy, healthy marriage, was financially capable of having and caring for a child, and chose abortion. I had an abortion at 8 weeks. It was a simple choice, a simple process, and I've never looked back in remorse or felt like it was a very hard decision. Because the fact is, it wasn't. I'm not a murderer, and I'm not offended, because it's asinine to pretend I am, and it's asinine to think of an 8 week old fetus as a human with more rights than me. I had no attachment, and it was fine. But to imply that it would have been easier to continue carrying the fetus for another 32 weeks and then give it to a stranger is also asinine. So I stand by my fuck her feelings. If it makes her uncomfortable that abortion is an easy decision for many women, even those who aren't in desperate situations, I'm glad. The stigma surrounding abortion is unreal, and people like her like to just run their fucking mouths off about it without caring who their audience is. IMO, if she wants to dish it out like this she deserves the comments back.
IDK. Assuming we're referring to Pamela's history being a miscarriage... I do feel a little squicky about throwing that back in her face. I feel like miscarrying a wanted baby is an entirely different emotional issue than choosing to have an abortion (assuming the abortion was not for humane/medical reasons, I guess. If it was medical I'd say it's more similar to a miscarriage).
It's not cool to call me a murderer, but I more or less roll my eyes because duh, I'm not one. I don't believe I killed a baby, I believe I stopped some cells from becoming a potential baby. I did not love that cluster of cells. If anything, I hated it. If someone truly beleived they were carrying an actual baby and loved that baby and then lost it... I know biologically they are the same thing, maybe, but it's not the same.
Last Edit: Oct 22, 2014 17:18:21 GMT -5 by Ohhmm(bligo)
"You. You and your crazy life. You and your geographic anomaly. You and your drunken lesbianic ways and terrible navigational skills." - ProfArt and her holy baby
IDK. Assuming we're referring to Pamela's history being a miscarriage... I do feel a little squicky about throwing that back in her face. I feel like miscarrying a wanted baby is an entirely different emotional issue than choosing to have an abortion (assuming the abortion was not for humane/medical reasons, I guess. If it was medical I'd say it's more similar to a miscarriage).
It's not cool to call me a murderer, but I more or less roll my eyes because duh, I'm not one. I don't believe I killed a baby, I believe I stopped some cells from becoming a potential baby. I did not love that cluster of cells. If anything, I hated it. If someone truly beleived they were carrying an actual baby and loved that baby and then lost it... I know biologically they are the same thing, maybe, but it's not the same.
believe what you want to believe, but understand she doesn't feel "a little squicky" about throwing the label murderer at you, or even bringing up that a bunch of people of here are murderers just for the "fun" of it (like she did in this thread). She has done it before, many times, and has shown she doesn't give a fuck about anyone else, their feelings, or their history--she knew what she was doing and absolutely did mean to call many posters on here "murderers". She didn't make that statement in a vacuum. Yes, she believes many on here should be in jail for murder, including, in her opinion, those that medically had to abort a much-wanted, deeply-loved fetus. And yet she still hangs out here...hmmm
And I do know my post to her crossed a line. I'll happily apologize when she honestly gives a truly heartfelt apology to each and every other poster she has insulted and hurt each and every time she has leaped across the line. *I* know what I posted was wrong and hurtful, she will never admit that she was wrong.
"You. You and your crazy life. You and your geographic anomaly. You and your drunken lesbianic ways and terrible navigational skills." - ProfArt and her holy baby
This whole thread makes me so sad. I really hope these women are just taking credit for a decision that this new mom came to on her own and is happy with.
As for the rest of this - many people have said (and far more eloquently than I ever could) why Pamela and littlemermaid (or whatever the fuck her name is. It's a long thread. I'm forgetful) are so very very wrong, and hurtful, and idiotic.
It's threads like these that make me think "I just hate people". Until Autumnrose starts wishing ultrasounds on folks and then life isn't so bad again
"You. You and your crazy life. You and your geographic anomaly. You and your drunken lesbianic ways and terrible navigational skills." - ProfArt and her holy baby