I just want to know how many people have been shot and/or killed at the restaurants Tillie and her dh frequent, that a loaded weapon is necessary.
You never know when shit is going to get real at medieval times. How the fuck else would you protect yourself from a knight? It isn't like they give you a knife.
Post by shostakovich on Mar 3, 2015 15:20:15 GMT -5
Like, seriously - I'm thinking about the notion of waking up to the sound of a gun cocking, and it's giving me the early rumbles of diarrhea.
OP - since you seem pretty set on getting rid of the guns come hell or high water: Call you local police department and ask them about donating the guns to a law enforcement training program, or turning them over as part of an upcoming amnesty program. During amnesty drop-offs, they should take them no questions asked.
For example, they will not ask your H: "Are you turning this in because you almost killed your wife with it while sleepwalking?" So he won't be embarrassed or whatever.
I just want to know how many people have been shot and/or killed at the restaurants Tillie and her dh frequent, that a loaded weapon is necessary.
You never know when shit is going to get real at medieval times. How the fuck else would you protect yourself from a knight? It isn't like they give you a knife.
Well that's cheating if you use a gun at Medieval Times. You would have to swordfight. Or joust. Derrrrr. ETA and besides, knights have a code of honor. They won't kill you if you're unarmed, they'll loan you a sword. Or capture you and ransom you back to your family or something.
Sleep walking and handling a firearm in your sleep is NOT okay. And a sleep walker is capable of getting into a safe, just like they are capable of opening a fridge, driving a car, unlocking doors, etc. I would NOT feel safe with this at all.
I don't care of how many promises this man makes, what you do when you are asleep you are NOT in control of. He is very clearly not in control of his firearms.
Post by kellykapowski on Mar 3, 2015 15:29:59 GMT -5
There's no room to debate here. If my husband had almost SHOT ME in his sleep, the guns would have been gone that day. If not, I would have been gone. This is life or death here. There's no way I'd procreate with someone who is unable to take gun safety seriously.
My own personal anecdote: My uncle almost shot me when I was 14 years old. He and my aunt lived with my grandmother. I told my grandmother I was coming to her house after going to the movies with some friends so I could sleep at their house. I got to her house at 10:00 p.m. My grandmother hadn't told my uncle I was coming. So he heard someone come into his house, with a key no less, and pulled his gun out to come confront the "robber." THANK GOD my grandma heard me come in too and yelled to him as he was coming down the stairs that it was probably me. He had the gun loaded and cocked and ready to go. We were 10 feet away from each other, in the dark.
There's no room to debate here. If my husband had almost SHOT ME in his sleep, the guns would have been gone that day. If not, I would have been gone. This is life or death here. There's no way I'd procreate with someone who is unable to take gun safety seriously.
My own personal anecdote: My uncle almost shot me when I was 14 years old. He and my aunt lived with my grandmother. I told my grandmother I was coming to her house after going to the movies with some friends so I could sleep at their house. I got to her house at 10:00 p.m. My grandmother hadn't told my uncle I was coming. So he heard someone come into his house, with a key no less, and pulled his gun out to come confront the "robber." THANK GOD my grandma heard me come in too and yelled to him as he was coming down the stairs that it was probably me. He had the gun loaded and cocked and ready to go. We were 10 feet away from each other, in the dark.
Holy crap, that is nuts. In your case I would tell him he needs to find other means of protecting his home and family than a loaded gun. Perhaps a home security system; he can't accidentally kill you in his sleep with one of those. Sheeyat.
One of Edith's beasties (autocorrect and I'm keeping it) has guns in her house, and Edith plays there almost daily. BFF's dad not only keeps the guns locked in a safe with the ammunition locked in a separate safe in the garage, he keeps the firing pins in a baggie in the glove box in his car. If those girls can manage to get to the guns, AND the ammo, AND the firing pins, and put the correct pin in the correct weapon, they can the damn things with my blessing.
ETA: this is the way to own a gun responsibly. Your husband is dumb as fuck, OP.
Last Friday, our friend's daughter lost one of her friends to a gun accident. She went to a friend's house after school and they were messing around with his dad's rifle, she is dead. Fourteen years old. I will never, ever understand guns in the home.
I am old and I have never, ever felt I needed a gun for protection. Never. I think that is a horseshit excuse for having a gun. Unless you are law enforcement, of course.
The fact that your husband wasn't absolutely wrecked after handling a gun in his sleep is really concerning to me. I don't know how I would feel about someone who didn't seem to grasp the gravity of a situation like that. Has he pursued a sleep study or anything?
Since others have covered the sheer idiocy and complete lack of logic in your H's argument, and you said you want an actual source (instead of relying on common sense in this completely insane situation), here you go:
4% of the roughly 3000 gun related deaths in children in 2009 were unintentional. 28% were suicide.
From the conclusion: "The AAP affirms that the most effective measure to prevent suicide, homicide, and unintentional firearm-related injuries to children and adolescents is the absence of guns from homes and communities. "....."Nevertheless, the safest home for a child or adolescent is one without firearms."
There are loads of other links to relevant scientific articles in the references section at the bottom.
And I'd like to point out that gun safety storage is kind of like sex. You know how there's no such thing as safe sex? There's no such thing as safe gun storage. There can be safeR storage, but nothing is guaranteed to prevent an accident except, you know, NOT owning a gun.
Growing up, we always had guns in the house since my Dad is an avid hunter. However, accessing the guns (rifles in this case) involved dismantling false walls and accessing safes in completely different parts of the house. My Dad is actually in the process of purging his collection since he only ever uses the same two for deer and moose hunting and also knows that your chances of a break-in increases if people find out you have guns in the house since the bad guys break in to try and steal your guns.
I think a google search will get you the results you want. I wish you the best of luck in convincing your husband that the best option for protection would be to resell the guns back to the store and to use the money to pay for a home security system.
My husband enjoys target practice and will occasionally go to a firing range and work with practice guns. However, we do not own or keep guns in our house, and if he wants to make a regular practice and buy his own he would have to store the guns at the local firing range. They do this since gun ownership, transportation and storage in Canada is highly regulated.
You know what? I trust guns implicitly. They will always do what you ask them to do, every single time, when they are handled right and respected for the lethal weapons they are. The problem is with the people who are asking. This should not be a question. My husband has a license to carry (and does, he is a LEO), I am trained from hand guns up to AR's. I am scared to death of guns. They are dangerous no matter how much "training" you have, they are still dangerous, even more so when put in the path of stupidity, ignorance and lawlessness.
Post by textbookcase on Mar 3, 2015 16:14:56 GMT -5
Yeah, this is insane. We have guns in the house, which I am not entirely comfortable with, BUT they are locked up and there is literally no way the girls can access them. H has taught them gun safety from an early age, etc. In your case I would seriously just get the guns out of the house. He is a completely irresponsible gun owner and I wouldn't feel comfortable bringing kids into that. Or myself, really.
You know what? I trust guns implicitly. They will always do what you ask them to do, every single time, when they are handled right and respected for the lethal weapons they are. The problem is with the people who are asking. This should not be a question. My husband has a license to carry (and does, he is a LEO), I am trained from hand guns up to AR's. I am scared to death of guns. They are dangerous no matter how much "training" you have, they are still dangerous, even more so when put in the path of stupidity, ignorance and lawlessness.
You know what? I trust guns implicitly. They will always do what you ask them to do, every single time, when they are handled right and respected for the lethal weapons they are. The problem is with the people who are asking. This should not be a question. My husband has a license to carry (and does, he is a LEO), I am trained from hand guns up to AR's. I am scared to death of guns. They are dangerous no matter how much "training" you have, they are still dangerous, even more so when put in the path of stupidity, ignorance and lawlessness.
False.
Oh Dl, let me get specific. For the most part, when they are handled properly, stored properly, cleaned properly and used with expert care they serve their intended purpose. I thought it was common sense that any machine will have known fault mechanisms, I figured it was a given. Is that better?
"Hey guys! My husband pulled a gun on me while he was sleeping. Are there articles on the interwebz that can tell him why this is a bad idea before we have kids? Derp deep derp!"
This makes me LOL because the fact that your husband carries them in public because he feels unsafe around other people who might have guns really isn't much more responsible or safe.
Not going in this circle again, however, I think you would be shocked if you actually knew how many people (legally) carried concealed weapons.
I teach fitness classes at a senior center. I almost fell over when one of my participants was talking today about needing to take a refresher course to keep their CCW. And then continued to talk about where she keeps her gun in various situations. One of them being right next to her in the car, so she can get it if she needs it.
There would be 2 options if I were in this situation. By sundown tonight either the guns would be out of the house for good or I would. Period. No negotiations. I would not sleep another night under the same roof with guns and your H.
littlemisssunshine My H has been handling guns his whole life and I know he is adamant about keeping them in our house under lock and key. However, he was raised with them and is comfortable with them. He practices with them. Your H doesn't practice, doesn't go to gun ranges, and from the sound of it, hasn't taken a safety courses. With the information given, he is putting you in more danger than he is protecting you from. As a compromise, suggest getting a home security system instead of having the guns. If he is still adamant, then he needs to start taking safety courses and going to the gun range. The more informed he is the better off he will be. I still wouldn't have a baby with him until you are satisfied with whatever outcome there is.
Post by tacoflavoredkisses on Mar 3, 2015 17:36:04 GMT -5
I'm just baffled that your husband wasn't horrified enough by his sleepwalking episode to remove them himself.
You really don't need links because if he hasn't already figured out he has no business owning a gun, any articles you show him aren't going to make a difference.
They are in a locked safe that only you have a key to. You don't shoot them, you don't hunt, he hasn't even seen them since the sleep walking incident. Just get rid of them. Done.
This solves the immediate problem of the guns, but doesn't solve the problem of her being married to a moronic asshole.