Post by cookiemdough on Apr 27, 2015 22:03:52 GMT -5
So interesting commentary about the curfew. One panelist said that there is a hesitancy to do so because it increases the number of contacts by police with civilians. In times where things are already tense the last thing you need is an additional reason to confront people who are not committing a crime.
Mondawmin transit stop is where all the buses in B'more converge. Kids in B'more don't have zoned schools and so they take 2-3 buses and go to school all over the city. At 3 PM there are always 500 kids at Mondawmin. Every day. Those kids weren't rioting, they were trying to get home. Community members say police arrived in riot gear as early as 1:30 to "prepare." Kids in large part stayed away, kids who were there were confronted by police in riot gear, tapping batons against shields. Then they stopped running buses - stranding everyone in the midst of a police attack. This was a riot, this was police provocation. I personally saw 12 gauge rubber bullets. They were shot at children. Tear gas. Fired at kids.
So interesting commentary about the curfew. One panelist said that there is a hesitancy to do so because it increases the number of contacts by police with civilians. In times where things are already tense the last thing you need is an additional reason to confront people who are not committing a crime.
This is really interesting. It's something I'd never thought about.
"Not gonna lie; I kind of keep expecting you to post one day that you threw down on someone who clearly had no idea that today was NOT THEIR DAY." ~dontcallmeshirley
So interesting commentary about the curfew. One panelist said that there is a hesitancy to do so because it increases the number of contacts by police with civilians. In times where things are already tense the last thing you need is an additional reason to confront people who are not committing a crime.
That's my first thought. If you enact a curfew, there's an obligation to enforce the curfew. And creating more potential for hostile confrontations isn't wise at this point imho.
Mondawmin transit stop is where all the buses in B'more converge. Kids in B'more don't have zoned schools and so they take 2-3 buses and go to school all over the city. At 3 PM there are always 500 kids at Mondawmin. Every day. Those kids weren't rioting, they were trying to get home. Community members say police arrived in riot gear as early as 1:30 to "prepare." Kids in large part stayed away, kids who were there were confronted by police in riot gear, tapping batons against shields. Then they stopped running buses - stranding everyone in the midst of a police attack. This was a riot, this was police provocation. I personally saw 12 gauge rubber bullets. They were shot at children. Tear gas. Fired at kids.
Kids for the most part go to their zoned schools. This may require a bus ride. When I taught at the middle school a few blocks from Mondawmin, I saw many kids waiting for buses there (it is a hub for some routes and the limited subway does go there) but no where near 500 children. Also, elementary school students do not ride public buses, only grades 6-12.
Mondawmin transit stop is where all the buses in B'more converge. Kids in B'more don't have zoned schools and so they take 2-3 buses and go to school all over the city. At 3 PM there are always 500 kids at Mondawmin. Every day. Those kids weren't rioting, they were trying to get home. Community members say police arrived in riot gear as early as 1:30 to "prepare." Kids in large part stayed away, kids who were there were confronted by police in riot gear, tapping batons against shields. Then they stopped running buses - stranding everyone in the midst of a police attack. This was a riot, this was police provocation. I personally saw 12 gauge rubber bullets. They were shot at children. Tear gas. Fired at kids.
I don't feel like getting caught in the weeds, but Baltimore does have zoned schools as well as schools you have to apply to. Even going to your zoned school doesn't preclude a student from having to catch the bus.
anyway, I don't doubt there are a lot of kids there everyday after school, but I'm hard pressed to believe this statement in its entirety.
The same poster shared this post by a teacher (Meghann Victoria Harris) from the HS directly across the street from Mondawmin:
"A clear narration of what my students and I just saw (and please SHARE this so people know the story): we drove into Mondawmin, knowing it was going to be a mess. I was trying to get them home before anything insane happened. The students were JUST getting out of Douglas, but before that could even happen, the police were forcing busses to stop and unload all their passengers. Then, Douglas students, in huge herds, were trying to leave on various busses but couldn't catch any because they were all shut down. No kids were yet around except about 20, who looked like they were waiting for police to do something. The cops, on the other hand, were in full riot gear marching toward any small social clique of students who looked as if they were just milling about. It looked as if there were hundreds of cops. So, me, personally, if I were a Douglas student that just got trapped in the middle of a minefield BY cops without any way to get home and completely in harm's way, I'd be ready to pop off, too.
I hope everyone's kids are getting home to them safely tonight."
I'm curious about your thoughts on this statement too.
Mondawmin transit stop is where all the buses in B'more converge. Kids in B'more don't have zoned schools and so they take 2-3 buses and go to school all over the city. At 3 PM there are always 500 kids at Mondawmin. Every day. Those kids weren't rioting, they were trying to get home. Community members say police arrived in riot gear as early as 1:30 to "prepare." Kids in large part stayed away, kids who were there were confronted by police in riot gear, tapping batons against shields. Then they stopped running buses - stranding everyone in the midst of a police attack. This was a riot, this was police provocation. I personally saw 12 gauge rubber bullets. They were shot at children. Tear gas. Fired at kids.
Kids for the most part go to their zoned schools. This may require a bus ride. When I taught at the middle school a few blocks from Mondawmin, I saw many kids waiting for buses there (it is a hub for some routes and the limited subway does go there) but no where near 500 children. Also, elementary school students do not ride public buses, only grades 6-12.
argh. I totally believed her too. I just posted another status from a teacher that she shared.
Mondawmin transit stop is where all the buses in B'more converge. Kids in B'more don't have zoned schools and so they take 2-3 buses and go to school all over the city. At 3 PM there are always 500 kids at Mondawmin. Every day. Those kids weren't rioting, they were trying to get home. Community members say police arrived in riot gear as early as 1:30 to "prepare." Kids in large part stayed away, kids who were there were confronted by police in riot gear, tapping batons against shields. Then they stopped running buses - stranding everyone in the midst of a police attack. This was a riot, this was police provocation. I personally saw 12 gauge rubber bullets. They were shot at children. Tear gas. Fired at kids.
Kids for the most part go to their zoned schools. This may require a bus ride. When I taught at the middle school a few blocks from Mondawmin, I saw many kids waiting for buses there (it is a hub for some routes and the limited subway does go there) but no where near 500 children. Also, elementary school students do not ride public buses, only grades 6-12.
I'm cynical enough at this point that I wouldn't be surprised if a crowd of 50 black kids was estimated to be much larger. We all know by now black teenagers are assumed to be scary, threatening adults.
Also, anyone know more details about the supposed "Reckoning" flyers that were handed out?
Mondawmin transit stop is where all the buses in B'more converge. Kids in B'more don't have zoned schools and so they take 2-3 buses and go to school all over the city. At 3 PM there are always 500 kids at Mondawmin. Every day. Those kids weren't rioting, they were trying to get home. Community members say police arrived in riot gear as early as 1:30 to "prepare." Kids in large part stayed away, kids who were there were confronted by police in riot gear, tapping batons against shields. Then they stopped running buses - stranding everyone in the midst of a police attack. This was a riot, this was police provocation. I personally saw 12 gauge rubber bullets. They were shot at children. Tear gas. Fired at kids.
I don't feel like getting caught in the weeds, but Baltimore does have zoned schools as well as schools you have to apply to. Even going to your zoned school doesn't preclude a student from having to catch the bus.
anyway, I don't doubt there are a lot of kids there everyday after school, but I'm hard pressed to believe this statement in its entirety.
Mondawmin is a hub, but not ALL buses. Also, there was a letter on Twitter and Instagram asking for a demonstration to BEGIN at Mondawmin to the Avenue to Downtown. This was around noon. Of course the police were there to prepare/monitor. This FB post sounds incendiary and skewed....and I do not want to say there was no provocation, but this post seems off. And yes to that there are zoned schools. Not all schools in City are magnets.
Kids for the most part go to their zoned schools. This may require a bus ride. When I taught at the middle school a few blocks from Mondawmin, I saw many kids waiting for buses there (it is a hub for some routes and the limited subway does go there) but no where near 500 children. Also, elementary school students do not ride public buses, only grades 6-12.
I'm cynical enough at this point that I wouldn't be surprised if a crowd of 50 black kids was estimated to be much larger. We all know by now black teenagers are assumed to be scary, threatening adults.
Also, anyone know more details about the supposed "Reckoning" flyers that were handed out?
Paper has something on Purge note.
And, per paper, just 75-100 kids. Not 500. Holy overshot batman.
I don't feel like getting caught in the weeds, but Baltimore does have zoned schools as well as schools you have to apply to. Even going to your zoned school doesn't preclude a student from having to catch the bus.
anyway, I don't doubt there are a lot of kids there everyday after school, but I'm hard pressed to believe this statement in its entirety.
The same poster shared this post by a teacher (Meghann Victoria Harris) from the HS directly across the street from Mondawmin:
"A clear narration of what my students and I just saw (and please SHARE this so people know the story): we drove into Mondawmin, knowing it was going to be a mess. I was trying to get them home before anything insane happened. The students were JUST getting out of Douglas, but before that could even happen, the police were forcing busses to stop and unload all their passengers. Then, Douglas students, in huge herds, were trying to leave on various busses but couldn't catch any because they were all shut down. No kids were yet around except about 20, who looked like they were waiting for police to do something. The cops, on the other hand, were in full riot gear marching toward any small social clique of students who looked as if they were just milling about. It looked as if there were hundreds of cops. So, me, personally, if I were a Douglas student that just got trapped in the middle of a minefield BY cops without any way to get home and completely in harm's way, I'd be ready to pop off, too.
I hope everyone's kids are getting home to them safely tonight."
I'm curious about your thoughts on this statement too.
I don't know what to to think of this, and honestly, my heart is so broken, I don't have the mental energy to decipher whether or not it could be true.
Could it be why a lot of those photos shared up thread look like high school/jr high kids?
There is a HS and a middle school just a block or two from Mondawmin. Apparently it was circulated that there would be a protest at the mall throughout the schools urging kids to leave school early.
I don't feel like getting caught in the weeds, but Baltimore does have zoned schools as well as schools you have to apply to. Even going to your zoned school doesn't preclude a student from having to catch the bus.
anyway, I don't doubt there are a lot of kids there everyday after school, but I'm hard pressed to believe this statement in its entirety.
Mondawmin is a hub, but not ALL buses. Also, there was a letter on Twitter and Instagram asking for a demonstration to BEGIN at Mondawmin to the Avenue to Downtown. This was around noon. Of course the police were there to prepare/monitor. This FB post sounds incendiary and skewed....and I do not want to say there was no provocation, but this post seems off. And yes to that there are zoned schools. Not all schools in City are magnets.
The more I think about this, the more pissed off I am. A teacher in the city school system should know how it works in regards to zoned schools and what not, and know that not all buses go to Mondawmin.
Mondawmin is a hub, but not ALL buses. Also, there was a letter on Twitter and Instagram asking for a demonstration to BEGIN at Mondawmin to the Avenue to Downtown. This was around noon. Of course the police were there to prepare/monitor. This FB post sounds incendiary and skewed....and I do not want to say there was no provocation, but this post seems off. And yes to that there are zoned schools. Not all schools in City are magnets.
The more I think about this, the more pissed off I am. A teacher in the city school system should know how it works in regards to zoned schools and what not, and know that not all buses go to Mondawmin.
Stop writing untruths. Ugh.
Someone wanted to get their name in the paper. Yup.
Kids for the most part go to their zoned schools. This may require a bus ride. When I taught at the middle school a few blocks from Mondawmin, I saw many kids waiting for buses there (it is a hub for some routes and the limited subway does go there) but no where near 500 children. Also, elementary school students do not ride public buses, only grades 6-12.
argh. I totally believed her too. I just posted another status from a teacher that she shared.
I wasn't there but it seems a little inflated to me. Busses were not shut down entirely. They were shut down in the closest blocks to the Mondawmin area but you could see busses with people on them from the tv helicopters operating fairly normally a few blocks away during the looting/fire this afternoon.
The same poster shared this post by a teacher (Meghann Victoria Harris) from the HS directly across the street from Mondawmin:
"A clear narration of what my students and I just saw (and please SHARE this so people know the story): we drove into Mondawmin, knowing it was going to be a mess. I was trying to get them home before anything insane happened. The students were JUST getting out of Douglas, but before that could even happen, the police were forcing busses to stop and unload all their passengers. Then, Douglas students, in huge herds, were trying to leave on various busses but couldn't catch any because they were all shut down. No kids were yet around except about 20, who looked like they were waiting for police to do something. The cops, on the other hand, were in full riot gear marching toward any small social clique of students who looked as if they were just milling about. It looked as if there were hundreds of cops. So, me, personally, if I were a Douglas student that just got trapped in the middle of a minefield BY cops without any way to get home and completely in harm's way, I'd be ready to pop off, too.
I hope everyone's kids are getting home to them safely tonight."
I'm curious about your thoughts on this statement too.
I don't know what to to think of this, and honestly, my heart is so broken, I don't have the mental energy to decipher whether or not it could be true.
I pray it's not, but who really knows.
I'm trying to find examples to explain to my FB friends why people are angry. There's so much white privilege on my page. I was hoping that some of these examples might illustrate to them why people are angry. I deleted it off my page. I appreciate your feedback.
Mondawmin is a hub, but not ALL buses. Also, there was a letter on Twitter and Instagram asking for a demonstration to BEGIN at Mondawmin to the Avenue to Downtown. This was around noon. Of course the police were there to prepare/monitor. This FB post sounds incendiary and skewed....and I do not want to say there was no provocation, but this post seems off. And yes to that there are zoned schools. Not all schools in City are magnets.
The more I think about this, the more pissed off I am. A teacher in the city school system should know how it works in regards to zoned schools and what not, and know that not all buses go to Mondawmin.
The more I think about this, the more pissed off I am. A teacher in the city school system should know how it works in regards to zoned schools and what not, and know that not all buses go to Mondawmin.
I don't feel like getting caught in the weeds, but Baltimore does have zoned schools as well as schools you have to apply to. Even going to your zoned school doesn't preclude a student from having to catch the bus.
anyway, I don't doubt there are a lot of kids there everyday after school, but I'm hard pressed to believe this statement in its entirety.
The same poster shared this post by a teacher (Meghann Victoria Harris) from the HS directly across the street from Mondawmin:
"A clear narration of what my students and I just saw (and please SHARE this so people know the story): we drove into Mondawmin, knowing it was going to be a mess. I was trying to get them home before anything insane happened. The students were JUST getting out of Douglas, but before that could even happen, the police were forcing busses to stop and unload all their passengers. Then, Douglas students, in huge herds, were trying to leave on various busses but couldn't catch any because they were all shut down. No kids were yet around except about 20, who looked like they were waiting for police to do something. The cops, on the other hand, were in full riot gear marching toward any small social clique of students who looked as if they were just milling about. It looked as if there were hundreds of cops. So, me, personally, if I were a Douglas student that just got trapped in the middle of a minefield BY cops without any way to get home and completely in harm's way, I'd be ready to pop off, too.
I hope everyone's kids are getting home to them safely tonight."
I'm curious about your thoughts on this statement too.
Also: While she is a teacher, she is not a teacher at Douglass, the school in the area she is speaking of, she was driving a student to that area from the school where she teaches. I'm sure she saw a lot but doesn't seem to have been there when it started.
Post by secretlyevil on Apr 28, 2015 6:09:42 GMT -5
Today show quoted a Baltimore police statement that used the word thug. Ah fuck, now I'm disappointed. Tom Costello used "street thugs" in his part of the report.
ETA: the images of the religious leaders standing in the street, arms linked, are just powerful.
Rachel Maddow is doing an awesome breakdown of police violence cases/events in the last year.
I am sad I missed this. I'll catch the replay.
I heard a list of some of the people/situations who had received settlements from the Baltimore police after being brutalized and it was ridiculous (several senior citizens for one thing). I don't want to see anyone else get hurt, but damn if I don't understand the frustration. And still no real explanation. The hubris of it all.
It included all the video. In case you hadn't seen it or were avoiding it.
My H hadn't seen some of them and was just sitting there, open mouthed. I'd seen all of them but still started tearing up.
Post by eponinepontmercy on Apr 28, 2015 7:41:21 GMT -5
I needed this post and the ML post this morning, after having to explain that white privilege is a thing. "Why did he run if he hadn't done anything wrong?" Well, maybe because he knows that the cops can kill him for no reason and get away with it because it's Baltimore.
I'm so tired of this. I'm not in favor of destroying property, but I can't be angry at them for it.