Haven't we just been told over the past 7 years that the President can't do all of this shit on his own? How does Bernie work with Congress to get these things accomplished? This is a very simple question that I can't get answered. Tell me how Congress doesn't just laugh in his face and make his life more miserable than Obama's?
I think ordinarily Hillary would likely have the same problem except I am pretty sure she knows skeletons in people's closet and is not afraid to use them.
I think the idea that Hillary can get Congress to cooperate more easily than Bernie is one of the more outlandish things I've heard.
The hatred on the right for her is unparalleled. They hate her worse than Obama. The explanations for why don't matter. No Congressman from a Tea Party district will be allowed to vote for anything she wants and keep his/her seat. Get real!
And to be fair, why should the Dems support him when HE'S NOT EVEN A DEMOCRAT?
The entire political spectrum has shifted right, in response to far-right bullying. I don't like where the Democratic party is; I want it to be more progressive. So am I supposed to accept the Democratic party without question? Or if I support liberal ideals, can I (or Bernie) try to change the party?
What is the Democratic party if not a reflection of the people who decide to be in it, for any portion of time? Are you not a Dem if you've never changed affiliation? Is there a rule for how long you have to wear the label before it's legit? Are you more of a Democrat if you're routinely elected as a D in rural areas as pro-union but oppose LGBT rights, women's rights, environmental protection, etc?
Except, he's not a democrat. I mean, you can say all that above, sure. Yet in his several decades long career as a politician, Bernie has done nothing to help the Democratic party. He's PROUD of not ever being a democrat.
Well, for one, I think the issue the GOP had with Obama didn't have anything to do with what he was proposing. It had to do with him being black. And I feel pretty comfortable saying shit like that now that the GOP has shown its true colors with their presumptive nominee.
This should not be read as me saying we should elect a white guy so that Congress will work with him. I'm just saying that Reasonable-Obama's difficulties getting things accomplished should not, IMO, in any way be read as an indication that we can't go left of Obama if we want to work across the aisle. The problem wasn't his politics. Look at who he's put forward for SCOTUS. It's about race.
I have no doubt that has something to do with it. The only problem is that we've heard a lot of "socialist!" stuff thrown Obama's way too, so the idea of them working with an actual socialist seems a bit far-fetched without a significant power shift in the House.
right. And the fact that Bernie doesn't seem to acknowledge this and has failed to raise money for down ballot candidates is extremely troubling.
I am actually blown away by how much people here support Hillary. The most focus-group sculpted candidate of our lifetime. It's so confusing.
My heart is Bernie or Bust, but I know what I'll have to do if she's the nominee. I'll hate myself for it, though. I have no idea how she'll govern. Probably center-right except for women's issues. I do not trust a single word that comes out of her mouth.
But even as a woman at risk of having her uterus ruled by the GOP, the issues Bernie has focused on are by far more important. Our entire way of life depends on a functioning economy and every day we don't reform it, the more probable it is that the US empire will fully crumble sooner rather than later.
Bringing down Wall Street is more important to you that women having equal rights?
Aside from the hyperbole of "bringing down," yes. Absolutely, 100%. We are at risk of the world grinding to a complete halt, which almost happened in 2008. We can come back from oppressive reproductive legislation in a short time...you can't just get SCOTUS to strike down another Great Depression.
I think ordinarily Hillary would likely have the same problem except I am pretty sure she knows skeletons in people's closet and is not afraid to use them.
I think the idea that Hillary can get Congress to cooperate more easily than Bernie is one of the more outlandish things I've heard.
The hatred on the right for her is unparalleled. They hate her worse than Obama. The explanations for why don't matter. No Congressman from a Tea Party district will be allowed to vote for anything she wants and keep his/her seat. Get real!
I never said Hillary would have an easier time. I asked how Bernie would get them to work with him.
I think ordinarily Hillary would likely have the same problem except I am pretty sure she knows skeletons in people's closet and is not afraid to use them.
I think the idea that Hillary can get Congress to cooperate more easily than Bernie is one of the more outlandish things I've heard.
The hatred on the right for her is unparalleled. They hate her worse than Obama. The explanations for why don't matter. No Congressman from a Tea Party district will be allowed to vote for anything she wants and keep his/her seat. Get real!
I'm sorry, but I'm laughing that you think they'll work with someone who has openly supported communism. I'm not sure who needs to get real here.
There's been a lot of talk of the Rs supporting HRC, just because of what is happening to their party currently.
The entire political spectrum has shifted right, in response to far-right bullying. I don't like where the Democratic party is; I want it to be more progressive. So am I supposed to accept the Democratic party without question? Or if I support liberal ideals, can I (or Bernie) try to change the party?
What is the Democratic party if not a reflection of the people who decide to be in it, for any portion of time? Are you not a Dem if you've never changed affiliation? Is there a rule for how long you have to wear the label before it's legit? Are you more of a Democrat if you're routinely elected as a D in rural areas as pro-union but oppose LGBT rights, women's rights, environmental protection, etc?
Except, he's not a democrat. I mean, you can say all that above, sure. Yet in his several decades long career as a politician, Bernie has done nothing to help the Democratic party. He's PROUD of not ever being a democrat.
OK, Debbie. How many voters are really obsessed with brand loyalty? Very few, I hope. Helping The Party is not the same as helping the coalition of voters and politicians and the legislation they create.
I have no doubt that has something to do with it. The only problem is that we've heard a lot of "socialist!" stuff thrown Obama's way too, so the idea of them working with an actual socialist seems a bit far-fetched without a significant power shift in the House.
right. And the fact that Bernie doesn't seem to acknowledge this and has failed to raise money for down ballot candidates is extremely troubling.
Besides the sexism of his campaign, this bothers me the most about Bernie. He joins the party and then does literally nothing to support it. We're not going to get ANYONE'S liberal policies though without D's in the house and senate. He is doing nothing to help those candidates.
Bringing down Wall Street is more important to you that women having equal rights?
Aside from the hyperbole of "bringing down," yes. Absolutely, 100%. We are at risk of the world grinding to a complete halt, which almost happened in 2008. We can come back from oppressive reproductive legislation in a short time...you can't just get SCOTUS to strike down another Great Depression.
I literally don't even know how to respond to this. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that I don't need an abortion during the dark years.
Bringing down Wall Street is more important to you that women having equal rights?
Aside from the hyperbole of "bringing down," yes. Absolutely, 100%. We are at risk of the world grinding to a complete halt, which almost happened in 2008. We can come back from oppressive reproductive legislation in a short time...you can't just get SCOTUS to strike down another Great Depression.
Are you being serious with this? Have you noticed the onslaught of legislation in the last 10-20 years that has chipped away at reproductive rights since Casey v Planned parenthood made it a free for all? Are you saying that the women who are effected by these laws shouldn't worry about it?
Also, reasoning like *this* probably hurts Bernie with a very large segment of women, FWIW.
Except, he's not a democrat. I mean, you can say all that above, sure. Yet in his several decades long career as a politician, Bernie has done nothing to help the Democratic party. He's PROUD of not ever being a democrat.
OK, Debbie. How many voters are really obsessed with brand loyalty? Very few, I hope. Helping The Party is not the same as helping the coalition of voters and politicians and the legislation they create.
Well, he's losing the popular vote, so there's that.
I think the idea that Hillary can get Congress to cooperate more easily than Bernie is one of the more outlandish things I've heard.
The hatred on the right for her is unparalleled. They hate her worse than Obama. The explanations for why don't matter. No Congressman from a Tea Party district will be allowed to vote for anything she wants and keep his/her seat. Get real!
I never said Hillary would have an easier time. I asked how Bernie would get them to work with him.
The support for legitimately conservative ideals among the electorate is actually really low. You don't think Congressmen will have an easier time voting for the non-Democrat Democrat's plan and facing their voters back home? You don't think his refusal to jump on the wedge issue of gun control is going to pay off there, too?
I think ordinarily Hillary would likely have the same problem except I am pretty sure she knows skeletons in people's closet and is not afraid to use them.
I think the idea that Hillary can get Congress to cooperate more easily than Bernie is one of the more outlandish things I've heard.
The hatred on the right for her is unparalleled. They hate her worse than Obama. The explanations for why don't matter. No Congressman from a Tea Party district will be allowed to vote for anything she wants and keep his/her seat. Get real!
But the idea of Bernie getting anyone to cooperate with him is NOT outlandish? Visceral hatred issues aside, even using your own Tea Party example, HRC and Bernie are the same at best. A Tea Party rep is going to vote with Bernie and get re-elected? Nope.
Aside from the hyperbole of "bringing down," yes. Absolutely, 100%. We are at risk of the world grinding to a complete halt, which almost happened in 2008. We can come back from oppressive reproductive legislation in a short time...you can't just get SCOTUS to strike down another Great Depression.
I literally don't even know how to respond to this. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that I don't need an abortion during the dark years.
And I'll keep my fingers crossed that you don't have to try to feed your kids on $0 income one day.
I think part of the struggle he has is that the problems that create banking institutions that are too big to fail (and too well lobbied to fail) are complex and don't lend themselves to 60 second answers that the general public can absorb. He's right to stay away from getting into the mechanics because what the solution will look like probably wouldn't turn out how he'd describe it anyway (compare Obama's promises on healthcare to how ACA works). These are not impossible headscratchers, first and foremost, get someone to enforce the rules that exist.
If you want an example, part of the issue is the revolving door between regulator jobs in government and the institutions. I don't know what the exact text of a non-compete here should be, but you cannot go from regulation back into the private sector and then reap the rewards of a system you fixed, or at least allowed to operate dysfunctionally so that you could later profit. Will it be tricky to prevent? Yes, but we can't afford to not try everything possible to limit it.
I think that's a good idea, but I think the revolving door is actually somewhat overblown. I don't think that's at the heart of problems in the banking sector (and in fact, studies have been done on this and show that the revolving door is not really the problem people think it is www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/regulators-go-work-wall-street/) and even if you eliminate it, it's not going to do very much to change the banking industry.
I am not buying the argument that "he has lots of plans, great plans, he just can't tell anyone what they are."
Bringing down Wall Street is more important to you that women having equal rights?
Aside from the hyperbole of "bringing down," yes. Absolutely, 100%. We are at risk of the world grinding to a complete halt, which almost happened in 2008. We can come back from oppressive reproductive legislation in a short time...you can't just get SCOTUS to strike down another Great Depression.
I never said Hillary would have an easier time. I asked how Bernie would get them to work with him.
The support for legitimately conservative ideals among the electorate is actually really low. You don't think Congressmen will have an easier time voting for the non-Democrat Democrat's plan and facing their voters back home? You don't think his refusal to jump on the wedge issue of gun control is going to pay off there, too?
When it comes to enormously expensive programs that have nothing to do with gun control? I think they'll still be hesitant to jump on board, yes.
Haven't we just been told over the past 7 years that the President can't do all of this shit on his own? How does Bernie work with Congress to get these things accomplished? This is a very simple question that I can't get answered. Tell me how Congress doesn't just laugh in his face and make his life more miserable than Obama's?
Exactly this.
My issue with Bernie really originated with complete inability to accomplish a fraction of what he is proposing more so than his platform.
His finger wagging shoutiness and hypocrisy is what turned my concern to loathing.
I have no doubt that has something to do with it. The only problem is that we've heard a lot of "socialist!" stuff thrown Obama's way too, so the idea of them working with an actual socialist seems a bit far-fetched without a significant power shift in the House.
right. And the fact that Bernie doesn't seem to acknowledge this and has failed to raise money for down ballot candidates is extremely troubling.
I literally don't even know how to respond to this. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that I don't need an abortion during the dark years.
And I'll keep my fingers crossed that you don't have to try to feed your kids on $0 income one day.
My kids I'm forced to have because Wall Street was deemed more important than my bodily autonomy.
I'm not even sure why you're saying the economy will grind to a halt without the Bernster in office. The economy is pretty fucking good under Obama and Clinton will continue to support his policies. What are you basing that off of?
Aside from the hyperbole of "bringing down," yes. Absolutely, 100%. We are at risk of the world grinding to a complete halt, which almost happened in 2008. We can come back from oppressive reproductive legislation in a short time...you can't just get SCOTUS to strike down another Great Depression.
Clinton's operation, through a joint fundraising venture, also raised $9.5 million for the Democratic National Committee and state parties in April. Much of that money was raised at two fundraisers with George and Amal Clooney in California, events that Sanders' campaign sought to turn into a liability for Clinton.
I am a diehard Hillary fan (and was in 2008, too), but it's not hard for me to see Bernie's appeal. There are plenty of intelligent, well-informed voters who support him.
However, he's not my choice for many of the reasons PPs mentioned. I don't think Wall Street is the root of all evil in this country, and women's rights mean more to me that Wall Street right now. What really gets me is when Bernie supporters seem to think that Hillary is anti- everything Bernie is for. It's just not true. She is SO liberal. It's ridiculous and ill-informed to claim she's "center-right". I believe her platform for addressing big banks is much more refined than Bernie's and would actually get to the heart of the issues to prevent another financial meltdown more effectively than whatever Bernie plans to do (no one, including him, has a clue). So, I'm not sure why I have to choose Hillary for women's rights or Bernie for dealing with Wall Street. I think Hillary would do better with both.
And why do we keep saying politics keeps moving right? Wouldn't the right say the opposite? I mean, abortion is legal, gay marriage is legal, there is a huge push for transgender rights, we have the ACA. The right is fighting back with all their might, but they just are not succeeding in all cases. Progress is still being made, despite their efforts.