I don't even know what to say after reading this thread. I shouldn't be surprised after what has gone on around here lately, but I am.
For anyone who doesn't think anti-Semitism exists today, especially on a college campus, let me tell you about my roommate freshman year. She moved in late. She walked in, took one look around the room, looked at me, and said "Oh no. I'm not living with a jap." And she switched rooms. We never even spoke. Apparently even being half Jewish was too much for her.
That's awful, I'm sorry. One of the first times I can remember hearing anti-Semitic comments was from my sophomore year roommate. "Ugh there are so many JAPs here." "Anti-Semitism isn't a problem anymore." "Why are Jews so mad about that Mel Gibson movie? I mean, the Jews DID kill Jesus." It's fun to hear that kind of shit in your own living space, and have literally no place to escape to.
Oh, and just today someone stole a Star of David from a Holocaust Memorial:
MILTON, Mass. —Vandals stole two bronze Stars of David that adorned the symbolic grave of a young girl killed in the Holocaust, police said.
The vandals stole the stars from "Myriam's Memorial" at Milton Cemetery sometime over the weekend, police said. The memorial's sculptor, 81-year-old Fred Manasse, called the crime a despicable act of hatred.
Manasse, a Waltham resident who was born in Germany, created Myriam's Memorial to honor his sister and the more than 1 million children who died during the Holocaust.
Manasse said he was 3 years old when he left Germany with his older brother. His mother stayed behind with his 18-month-old sister, who was too young to join the family
"She couldn't get on the train. The women were stuck," Manasse said, adding that he never saw them again.
Manasse said he sought healing through his art. He wonders why someone would destroy something so precious.
"If it moved one man to change his mind about art, it could move others. Apparently it moved one person enough, but he didn't have a dolly, so he broke it," Manasse said. "Nobody should do that to a sculpture. This is a tombstone."
Cemetery officials alerted police after staff noticed Monday that the bronze stars were missing from the marble pedestal.
Therese Desmond, the cemetery's superintendent, said defacing a memorial to children is beyond understanding.
Anyone with information on the theft is asked to contact Milton police.
I don't even know what to say after reading this thread. I shouldn't be surprised after what has gone on around here lately, but I am.
For anyone who doesn't think anti-Semitism exists today, especially on a college campus, let me tell you about my roommate freshman year. She moved in late. She walked in, took one look around the room, looked at me, and said "Oh no. I'm not living with a jap." And she switched rooms. We never even spoke. Apparently even being half Jewish was too much for her.
This slur gives me that hot prickly feeling of fear. I've never been called the k-word, but someone told me when I was about 20 that at least I "didn't look Jewish" because even though I acted like a J.A.P. no one would know I was one. This was at a party and I kind of hope this person got run over by a truck. I don't now what happened to her and I don't care.
the only person I've ever heard use the *the j slur just discussed*. is actually jewish, so I always took it as a black people can say the n-word gay people can say the f-word thing (not fuck. the other one).
Like, I'M certainly not ever going to call somebody that, but I figured she was "allowed". No? Kinda? Not really?
eta: I feel weird typing that one out right after AJL 's comment...but I figure since people are saying they've never heard it, the j-word wasn't really going to work? I edited though.
this is the first time in nest history that i have seen a slur i didnt know before.
Really?! Its pretty pervasive. When i was a little kid someone gave me a nameplate necklace that said "princess" and a star of david dotted the i. My father threw it away.
the only person I've ever heard use the word j.a.p. is actually jewish, so I always took it as a black people can say the n-word gay people can say the f-word thing (not fuck. the other one).
Like, I'M certainly not ever going to call somebody that, but I figured she was "allowed". No? Kinda? Not really?
Yes its like that. I very much only consider it a slur if its from a non-jew.
the only person I've ever heard use the word j.a.p. is actually jewish, so I always took it as a black people can say the n-word gay people can say the f-word thing (not fuck. the other one).
Like, I'M certainly not ever going to call somebody that, but I figured she was "allowed". No? Kinda? Not really?
Post by iammalcolmx on Sept 20, 2016 14:15:38 GMT -5
Forgive me for asking this in such a serious thread but I am desperate. Where can I get this in NYC? Like a good place not a tourist trap. I stay by Columbus Circle but will travel wherever because this is my favorite Breakfast on EARTH:
Oh, and just today someone stole a Star of David from a Holocaust Memorial:
MILTON, Mass. —Vandals stole two bronze Stars of David that adorned the symbolic grave of a young girl killed in the Holocaust, police said.
The vandals stole the stars from "Myriam's Memorial" at Milton Cemetery sometime over the weekend, police said. The memorial's sculptor, 81-year-old Fred Manasse, called the crime a despicable act of hatred.
Manasse, a Waltham resident who was born in Germany, created Myriam's Memorial to honor his sister and the more than 1 million children who died during the Holocaust.
Manasse said he was 3 years old when he left Germany with his older brother. His mother stayed behind with his 18-month-old sister, who was too young to join the family
"She couldn't get on the train. The women were stuck," Manasse said, adding that he never saw them again.
Manasse said he sought healing through his art. He wonders why someone would destroy something so precious.
"If it moved one man to change his mind about art, it could move others. Apparently it moved one person enough, but he didn't have a dolly, so he broke it," Manasse said. "Nobody should do that to a sculpture. This is a tombstone."
Cemetery officials alerted police after staff noticed Monday that the bronze stars were missing from the marble pedestal.
Therese Desmond, the cemetery's superintendent, said defacing a memorial to children is beyond understanding.
Anyone with information on the theft is asked to contact Milton police.
This brought tears to my eyes. You can feel his pain and sadness even in that brief quote.
this is the first time in nest history that i have seen a slur i didnt know before.
Really?! Its pretty pervasive. When i was a little kid someone gave me a nameplate necklace that said "princess" and a star of david dotted the i. My father threw it away.
I never heard it until college and had to ask friends what it meant. And not because I didn't know Jewish people growing up. I had several Jewish friends. But they never told me about any anti-Semitism they experienced, and nobody in my friend group was directing any slurs at them. I have no doubt they may have anti-Semitism, but I was not privy to it. My college had a pretty substantial Jewish population. I don't remember the first time I heard it, but I think it may have been someone saying she'd been called that.
I'd only heard it as a derogatory term for Japanese.
the only person I've ever heard use the word j.a.p. is actually jewish, so I always took it as a black people can say the n-word gay people can say the f-word thing (not fuck. the other one).
Like, I'M certainly not ever going to call somebody that, but I figured she was "allowed". No? Kinda? Not really?
I'm going to venture a yes here because I know I've heard it tossed around by Jews a few times, but even then it's mostly negative or neutral at best. But I have never, EVER heard any Jew use the k-word, ever.
Really?! Its pretty pervasive. When i was a little kid someone gave me a nameplate necklace that said "princess" and a star of david dotted the i. My father threw it away.
I never heard it until college and had to ask friends what it meant. And not because I didn't know Jewish people growing up. I had several Jewish friends. But they never told me about any anti-Semitism they experienced, and nobody in my friend group was directing any slurs at them. I have no doubt they may have anti-Semitism, but I was not privy to it. My college had a pretty substantial Jewish population. I don't remember the first time I heard it, but I think it may have been someone saying she'd been called that.
I'd only heard it as a derogatory term for Japanese.
Ironically, the first time i heard it as a derogatory term towards Japanese people was likely in college, and not because I didnt know any Japanese people before that, but because I grew up in such a Jewish area.
Really?! Its pretty pervasive. When i was a little kid someone gave me a nameplate necklace that said "princess" and a star of david dotted the i. My father threw it away.
I never heard it until college and had to ask friends what it meant. And not because I didn't know Jewish people growing up. I had several Jewish friends. But they never told me about any anti-Semitism they experienced, and nobody in my friend group was directing any slurs at them. I have no doubt they may have anti-Semitism, but I was not privy to it. My college had a pretty substantial Jewish population. I don't remember the first time I heard it, but I think it may have been someone saying she'd been called that.
I'd only heard it as a derogatory term for Japanese.
Which is another good reason people shouldn't say it.
Jewish American princess. Apparently, I had decorated the room too well
Thanks for sharing this with me. I have heard the term but didn't know it was offensive. Mainly because I am bourgeoisie as fuck so if someone calls me a princess I am going to be "damn right bitch!!" But now that you mention it if a Non-Black person called me an Uppity Negro I would swing.
Really?! Its pretty pervasive. When i was a little kid someone gave me a nameplate necklace that said "princess" and a star of david dotted the i. My father threw it away.
yeah, really. i have heard the K-word before but not the other one.
i live in a place less than one percent jewish. i grew up in a place with a jewish population of 0.01%. so yeah. as i said, i have heard all other slurs, unfortunately
Thats totally fair and makes sense. It never occurred to me that people never understood the reference in spaceballs (and its used elsewhere too).
I never heard it until college and had to ask friends what it meant. And not because I didn't know Jewish people growing up. I had several Jewish friends. But they never told me about any anti-Semitism they experienced, and nobody in my friend group was directing any slurs at them. I have no doubt they may have anti-Semitism, but I was not privy to it. My college had a pretty substantial Jewish population. I don't remember the first time I heard it, but I think it may have been someone saying she'd been called that.
I'd only heard it as a derogatory term for Japanese.
It's a slur for both groups.
Oh, I know. I just didn't know that until college because I'd only heard one usage of it.
Jewish American princess. Apparently, I had decorated the room too well
Thanks for sharing this with me. I have heard the term but didn't know it was offensive. Mainly because I am bourgeoisie as fuck so if someone calls me a princess I am going to be "damn right bitch!!" But now that you mention it if a Non-Black person called me an Uppity Negro I would swing.
That's pretty much what I say if my dad calls me that, lol. But again, he's Jewish and means it as a joke. And I will totally admit to being spoiled by my parents.
Post by Velvetshady on Sept 20, 2016 14:39:37 GMT -5
One of my best friends lived in Japan until college, then moved to the US (both her parents are US citizens)--she used to respond to people using that particular slur by asking them what kind of camp they wanted her sent to so she could figure out if they were an anti-Semite, racist, or both. The fact that she had to have a "standard" response to this shit in the last two decades makes me sick and angry.
Forgive me for asking this in such a serious thread but I am desperate. Where can I get this in NYC? Like a good place not a tourist trap. I stay by Columbus Circle but will travel wherever because this is my favorite Breakfast on EARTH:
I am not an expert by any means, but the most amazing Jewish deli I have ever been to was Russ & Daughters. It was one of the best breakfasts I've ever had, period.
Forgive me for asking this in such a serious thread but I am desperate. Where can I get this in NYC? Like a good place not a tourist trap. I stay by Columbus Circle but will travel wherever because this is my favorite Breakfast on EARTH:
I am not an expert by any means, but the most amazing Jewish deli I have ever been to was Russ & Daughters. It was one of the best breakfasts I've ever had, period.
As a bonus, their Bloody Mary is THE SHIT.
Yes, Russ and Daughters is where you want to go. Opened in 1914 and still awesome. It is an appetizing store so not a a traditional deli--just fish and dairy.
Forgive me for asking this in such a serious thread but I am desperate. Where can I get this in NYC? Like a good place not a tourist trap. I stay by Columbus Circle but will travel wherever because this is my favorite Breakfast on EARTH:
Zabars. It's at 81st and Broadway. And pick up some scLlion cream cheese while you're there!
God, I miss Zabars (moved from NYC to Chicago, land of no bagels)
yes I had heard the J slur before college but rarely. In college it was used very frequently by the Jewish girls in a joking, self-deprecating kind of way. I never used it bc I got that it wasn't for me to use. My school had a large number of Jewish students so most of my friends were Jewish.
I never heard the K word until I studied abroad and a girl from my college was with me and was shocked at the photo chain in Spain - much like Ritz camera or something - that had the same name, because it is a nickname in Spain. (short for Enrique I believe, obviously pronounced differently from the slur.) She explained why she found it offensive and I think it was hard for her to use that store, especially considering Spain's history regarding Jewish people.
Jewish American princess. Apparently, I had decorated the room too well
Thanks for sharing this with me. I have heard the term but didn't know it was offensive. Mainly because I am bourgeoisie as fuck so if someone calls me a princess I am going to be "damn right bitch!!" But now that you mention it if a Non-Black person called me an Uppity Negro I would swing.
The historical context here is definitely important. Jews have been accused of being greedy money hoarders for hundreds of years (see Shakespeare's Shylock character in The Merchant of Venice) and that's been used to justify violence against us. We have an evil global cabal that controls everything et cetera. Any kind of implication from a non-Jew that Jews are all rich and privileged is loaded with meaning.
And I can definitely see that if you are black and growing up in a country that literally said your people were property and 3/5 of a person, being called a princess would rightfully evoke a "damn right!"
Thanks for sharing this with me. I have heard the term but didn't know it was offensive. Mainly because I am bourgeoisie as fuck so if someone calls me a princess I am going to be "damn right bitch!!" But now that you mention it if a Non-Black person called me an Uppity Negro I would swing.
The historical context here is definitely important. Jews have been accused of being greedy money hoarders for hundreds of years (see Shakespeare's Shylock character in The Merchant of Venice) and that's been used to justify violence against us. We have an evil global cabal that controls everything et cetera. Any kind of implication from a non-Jew that Jews are all rich and privileged is loaded with meaning.
And I can definitely see that if you are black and growing up in a country that literally said your people were property and 3/5 of a person, being called a princess would rightfully evoke a "damn right!"
I am sorry for the confusion
ETA: You point about privilege totally explains my reaction. Because my thought is " Yeah bitch I am privileged DESPITE what has been done to my people. This thread is enlightening!!
Forgive me for asking this in such a serious thread but I am desperate. Where can I get this in NYC? Like a good place not a tourist trap. I stay by Columbus Circle but will travel wherever because this is my favorite Breakfast on EARTH:
Zabars. It's at 81st and Broadway. And pick up some scLlion cream cheese while you're there!
God, I miss Zabars (moved from NYC to Chicago, land of no bagels)
Cool!!! That is the same area as The Mermaid Inn which has the most awesome Oyster Happy Hour!! Thanks so much you guys. I know this was a serious thread but with my frequent trips to NYC now and NOT having a decent breakfast I was desperate.
this is the first time in nest history that i have seen a slur i didnt know before.
Really?! Its pretty pervasive. When i was a little kid someone gave me a nameplate necklace that said "princess" and a star of david dotted the i. My father threw it away.
and here I spent the better part of my life not knowing it was a slur. I only found out maybe 10 years ago? all of my jewish friends (ie: everyone I went to camp with in Rockland) wore it with pride in the big-hair days.
Really?! Its pretty pervasive. When i was a little kid someone gave me a nameplate necklace that said "princess" and a star of david dotted the i. My father threw it away.
and here I spent the better part of my life not knowing it was a slur. I only found out maybe 10 years ago? all of my jewish friends (ie: everyone I went to camp with) wore it with pride in the big-hair days.
oh, 1989... how times have changed.
Jews are SO self-depricating, its very much a cultural defense mechanism (is that a thing? I mightve made it up), so i could see that.