Post by cookiemdough on Jun 26, 2017 8:19:20 GMT -5
It seemed to be on course until last night. And clearly I am just reading the derailment this morning. Earlier in the weekend I typed a post about how I thought we needed different ground rules for these discussions. The thread readjusted so I didn't post.
I don't think it can be the same as race-related discussions. And I think it is causing frustration because posters are looking for the same kind of response. There is always the baseline of respectful dialogue that is necessary. But we have also said that when a minority discusses their experience we should accept it wholesale. How does that work in discussions where the minority who has suffered years of oppression also has a government in more recent years has also been the oppressor? How do we support one without dismissing the experience or concerns of another? It is much easier in individual contexts (posts specifically about anti-semitism that do not involve policy discussions or address the Palestinian conflict). I think we should give some thought to what that looks like. How do we support our Jewish posters completely without marginalizing our Palestinian posters? I don't think our current approach for race discussions achieves that balance.
I will also encourage a little more patience in the education that is necessary. I know that probably solicited an eye roll, but I am going to ask anyway. For people lacking in knowledge, it will not be that easy to spot bias in articles in doing our own research. And reading UN resolutions or opinions that were published, then retracted, etc. and understanding the views of the Jewish people and how they align or don't align with the Israeli government...is just not that easy to follow. I need to learn, but for this issue an article likely does not give the full context needed for discussion. You can choose to provide that added context or you can choose to dismiss people as intentionally trying to be hurtful. Some are. Barcelonagirl showed her ass last night. I don't dismiss that, but I think I am pretty balanced at sensitive discussions and I basically sit on the sidelines because I just don't know enough and it is a minefield to ask in our current environment. We as a board are different in that regard.
I don't want to come across as insensitive but this is an incredibly complicated subject. If you want active participation i would like to ask you to consider helping some. The current dialogue where WOC are "just not here for the education and at the do your own research dammit" was after a long long long longtime (did I say long) effort of patiently discussing this stuff and answering questions...all of them. The stupid ones, the insensitive ones, the out and out racist ones, etc. we were very careful for a longtime to not dismiss questions or people as racist to keep the discussion going because we thought it was important. As one of the people who have been doing it on the Nest and then here for 10+ years starting with Jena 6 blow up, I get that I am asking a lot, but I am asking anyway.
I am sure it doesn't seem fair especially since I know many of you have shown patience. And it is much appreciated. But I am still going to ask for a little more.
I think cookie made very good points. My only add is that when someone says you are making a bigoted remark, you stop. We don't usually say it's okay because you did x or your family is from y. I think that is more the issue....that it moved away from learning and patience and antisemitic language was used over and over and the poster (s?) Didn't give any thought?
Like many others, I didn't realize it had gone off the rails. Page counts don't show up for me on mobile.
I'm sad that some of our posters felt dismissed and worse, and I can see that I need to do more than I have been (generally reading current news) to learn more about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict so that I feel more confident about responding to those threads without unintentionally hurting someone.
Well, I've been at a professionional development event and didn't want to discuss what I thought was Wonder Woman in the IsraelI army which I had no issue with.
However, I have been reading that disaster for 45 minutes and I am utterly fucking aghast.
It seemed to be on course until last night. And clearly I am just reading the derailment this morning. Earlier in the weekend I typed a post about how I thought we needed different ground rules for these discussions. The thread readjusted so I didn't post.
I don't think it can be the same as race-related discussions. And I think it is causing frustration because posters are looking for the same kind of response. There is always the baseline of respectful dialogue that is necessary. But we have also said that when a minority discusses their experience we should accept it wholesale. How does that work in discussions where the minority who has suffered years of oppression also has a government in more recent years has also been the oppressor? How do we support one without dismissing the experience or concerns of another? It is much easier in individual contexts (posts specifically about anti-semitism that do not involve policy discussions or address the Palestinian conflict). I think we should give some thought to what that looks like. How do we support our Jewish posters completely without marginalizing our Palestinian posters? I don't think our current approach for race discussions achieves that balance.
I will also encourage a little more patience in the education that is necessary. I know that probably solicited an eye roll, but I am going to ask anyway. For people lacking in knowledge, it will not be that easy to spot bias in articles in doing our own research. And reading UN resolutions or opinions that were published, then retracted, etc. and understanding the views of the Jewish people and how they align or don't align with the Israeli government...is just not that easy to follow. I need to learn, but for this issue an article likely does not give the full context needed for discussion. You can choose to provide that added context or you can choose to dismiss people as intentionally trying to be hurtful. Some are. Barcelonagirl showed her ass last night. I don't dismiss that, but I think I am pretty balanced at sensitive discussions and I basically sit on the sidelines because I just don't know enough and it is a minefield to ask in our current environment. We as a board are different in that regard.
I don't want to come across as insensitive but this is an incredibly complicated subject. If you want active participation i would like to ask you to consider helping some. The current dialogue where WOC are "just not here for the education and at the do your own research dammit" was after a long long long longtime (did I say long) effort of patiently discussing this stuff and answering questions...all of them. The stupid ones, the insensitive ones, the out and out racist ones, etc. we were very careful for a longtime to not dismiss questions or people as racist to keep the discussion going because we thought it was important. As one of the people who have been doing it on the Nest and then here for 10+ years starting with Jena 6 blow up, I get that I am asking a lot, but I am asking anyway.
I am sure it doesn't seem fair especially since I know many of you have shown patience. And it is much appreciated. But I am still going to ask for a little more.
I appreciate everything you have said here, and there are a few points I want to address: "But we have also said that when a minority discusses their experience we should accept it wholesale. How does that work in discussions where the minority who has suffered years of oppression also has a government in more recent years has also been the oppressor?" This right here is where we run into problems. We were discussing our experience of oppression as Jews. Not as Israelis. The government of Israel is not the government of the Jews. It is the government of Israel. It does not speak for all of us. We must disentangle Jewish identity from Israeli policies. I am sick that a government made up of mostly Jews in a Jewish state has become an oppressor. It's unacceptable. But that doesn't discount the experiences I have as a Jew in the United States. It's possible to support that without marginalizing fryjack2 because, well, she knows the difference.
BUT that goes to your next point, which is what I really want to address. I had a very similar conversation with a friend off board last night. She's a very close friend and, to be honest, in her capacity as my close friend, she's able to present truths to me in a way that I may be more stubbornly closed off to if they came from another source. It isn't as easy for people to untangle Judaism/Israel as we would like/hope/wish it was. It takes research and an effort to understand where each side is coming from and why Jews are, for example, very sensitive about the word "apartheid state" being used to describe Israel, when it does, in fact, have some "apartheid-esque" policies. And sometimes the inability to untangle Judaism from Israel can inadvertently lead to anti-Semitism. So while we all know that intent is generally irrelevant and impact is what's important, intent plays a role here too. And at this point, there is only one person I will firmly label an anti-Semite and completely dismiss whenever her name pops up. And it's not fryjack
It seemed to be on course until last night. And clearly I am just reading the derailment this morning. Earlier in the weekend I typed a post about how I thought we needed different ground rules for these discussions. The thread readjusted so I didn't post.
I don't think it can be the same as race-related discussions. And I think it is causing frustration because posters are looking for the same kind of response. There is always the baseline of respectful dialogue that is necessary. But we have also said that when a minority discusses their experience we should accept it wholesale. How does that work in discussions where the minority who has suffered years of oppression also has a government in more recent years has also been the oppressor? How do we support one without dismissing the experience or concerns of another? It is much easier in individual contexts (posts specifically about anti-semitism that do not involve policy discussions or address the Palestinian conflict). I think we should give some thought to what that looks like. How do we support our Jewish posters completely without marginalizing our Palestinian posters? I don't think our current approach for race discussions achieves that balance.
I will also encourage a little more patience in the education that is necessary. I know that probably solicited an eye roll, but I am going to ask anyway. For people lacking in knowledge, it will not be that easy to spot bias in articles in doing our own research. And reading UN resolutions or opinions that were published, then retracted, etc. and understanding the views of the Jewish people and how they align or don't align with the Israeli government...is just not that easy to follow. I need to learn, but for this issue an article likely does not give the full context needed for discussion. You can choose to provide that added context or you can choose to dismiss people as intentionally trying to be hurtful. Some are. Barcelonagirl showed her ass last night. I don't dismiss that, but I think I am pretty balanced at sensitive discussions and I basically sit on the sidelines because I just don't know enough and it is a minefield to ask in our current environment. We as a board are different in that regard.
I don't want to come across as insensitive but this is an incredibly complicated subject. If you want active participation i would like to ask you to consider helping some. The current dialogue where WOC are "just not here for the education and at the do your own research dammit" was after a long long long longtime (did I say long) effort of patiently discussing this stuff and answering questions...all of them. The stupid ones, the insensitive ones, the out and out racist ones, etc. we were very careful for a longtime to not dismiss questions or people as racist to keep the discussion going because we thought it was important. As one of the people who have been doing it on the Nest and then here for 10+ years starting with Jena 6 blow up, I get that I am asking a lot, but I am asking anyway.
I am sure it doesn't seem fair especially since I know many of you have shown patience. And it is much appreciated. But I am still going to ask for a little more.
I appreciate everything you have said here, and there are a few points I want to address: "But we have also said that when a minority discusses their experience we should accept it wholesale. How does that work in discussions where the minority who has suffered years of oppression also has a government in more recent years has also been the oppressor?" This right here is where we run into problems. We were discussing our experience of oppression as Jews. Not as Israelis. The government of Israel is not the government of the Jews. It is the government of Israel. It does not speak for all of us. We must disentangle Jewish identity from Israeli policies. I am sick that a government made up of mostly Jews in a Jewish state has become an oppressor. It's unacceptable. But that doesn't discount the experiences I have as a Jew in the United States. It's possible to support that without marginalizing fryjack2 because, well, she knows the difference.
BUT that goes to your next point, which is what I really want to address. I had a very similar conversation with a friend off board last night. She's a very close friend and, to be honest, in her capacity as my close friend, she's able to present truths to me in a way that I may be more stubbornly closed off to if they came from another source. It isn't as easy for people to untangle Judaism/Israel as we would like/hope/wish it was. It takes research and an effort to understand where each side is coming from and why Jews are, for example, very sensitive about the word "apartheid state" being used to describe Israel, when it does, in fact, have some "apartheid-esque" policies. And sometimes the inability to untangle Judaism from Israel can inadvertently lead to anti-Semitism. So while we all know that intent is generally irrelevant and impact is what's important, intent plays a role here too. And at this point, there is only one person I will firmly label an anti-Semite and completely dismiss whenever her name pops up. And it's not fryjack
I completely appreciate that. Going to @tooshort's point, the baseline education in our country on that point is lacking. In the US, support for Jewish people IS framed through a support of Israel. Understanding and recognizing which parts of the discussion are separate and distinct from that is helpful to know and is extremely important context for us to know and learn. Thank you.
I was away and did not realize the thread had turned. And then when I did catch up, I wasn't sure how to participate without adding to the hurt that was already present. I know just enough about Israel and Palestine to be dangerous but not enough to truly understand. I've stuck my foot in my mouth right up to my kneecap on the topic before.
Post by laurenpetro on Jun 26, 2017 10:05:02 GMT -5
when I left that thread on Saturday it was a very interesting and respectful discussion about several different topics relating to Israel/Palestinian relations. now it's a total shitshow. I hadn't planned on posting because I didn't think it was remotely necessary for a catholic girl to speak up in that thread but clearly 30 hours later things have changed.
I, too, was away. I think weekend threads can get bizarrely ignored or obsessed over.
I do think in this country we have a sort of cultural education that support of jews means support of anything Israel does. That's unfortunate. I very much appreciate our Jewish posters for so eloquently saying again and again and again the difference.
I've met people in real life who don't share that view. To them everything Israel does is right and everything Palestine does is wrong. I don't give Barcelona any pass in the least, but I wonder if that's why some people may side more Palestinian than they otherwise would and thus are so confused in this conflict and don't weigh in.
And yes. When someone says "this is offensive" just stop. I've eaten my foot for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and probably dessert, and yet it's fairly easy to learn to edit language.
Also when threads derail that much, and the topic is already extremely emotional, it's hard to ask or add something on the cold academic side. There are comments or questions I would have like to have made (now that I'm caught up. It's still early West coast!) But they seem inappropriate now given the hurt.
I rarely make any comments on the Israel/Palestine conflict, because I don't know enough to make any sort of valuable contribution. However, I'm sorry the thread turned into an ugly mess. There is a ton of nuance and complexities in this particular topic, but it doesn't excuse the nasty turn it took.
I don't think it can be the same as race-related discussions. And I think it is causing frustration because posters are looking for the same kind of response. There is always the baseline of respectful dialogue that is necessary. But we have also said that when a minority discusses their experience we should accept it wholesale. How does that work in discussions where the minority who has suffered years of oppression also has a government in more recent years has also been the oppressor? How do we support one without dismissing the experience or concerns of another? It is much easier in individual contexts (posts specifically about anti-semitism that do not involve policy discussions or address the Palestinian conflict). I think we should give some thought to what that looks like. How do we support our Jewish posters completely without marginalizing our Palestinian posters? I don't think our current approach for race discussions achieves that balance.
I was reading the thread on Saturday before taken out by a brutal sinus infection on Sunday. But this is the question I've been thinking a lot about.
A few weeks ago, there was a post here about a woman who had made some comment comparing abortion restrictions and forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to turn with slavery. We all agreed the comparison was abhorrent and completely inappropriate. But imagine a situation where a woman was raped and could not get an abortion. And while she was working through her PTSD and other issues, she said that her condition felt like slavery. I think we'd all agree she wouldn't get to name her experience in that situation. In other words, the right of the victim to name the experience is not unlimited. Now, I doubt we would call her a racist [Becky or whatever the new word is] to her face right away, but we'd probably advise her of the offensive nature of her remarks and help her find better words. If she it kept up, then well, that's when the flames can start.
That's because in practice, there really is not an unlimited right for any victim to use whatever words they want however they want to tell their stories. Not when those words trample on the histories and rights of others or when those words endanger, marginalize, or threaten other oppressed people.
I think it's our nature to see everything as good versus evil, oppressed versus oppressed, etc. and to look for the victim to give them their platform. But this isn't a good versus evil situation. It's marginalized versus marginalized, and in choosing a side, and giving that victim an unlimited right to name their experiences, in many ways we are complicit with the marginalization and oppression of the other side. So I'm not sure what the right answer is going forward, but I think in general, people need to keep in mind that when it comes to Israel and Palestine, if you are only seeing it as a good versus evil, victim/perpetrator dichotomy, you need to step back and re-evaluate.
Post by goldengirlz on Jun 26, 2017 11:46:43 GMT -5
cookiemdough, I think you're spot on. And I have no problem doing a bit more legwork on education; it's a confusing and complicated history.
What I take issue with is forcing a parallel between white oppression in the States and Israeli oppression in the Middle East. I get why WOC might feel a connection to the Palestinians -- the same way many American Jews feel a keen sense of social justice here. But when you start saying Jews can't possibly understand oppression because some of us have white skin and this is about white vs. brown (when it's not -- many Jews and Muslims have the same skin tone), then you head straight into the derailment you see in that other thread.
Such a complicated conflict needs to be viewed through its own lens. Especially because many Jews do not see this as strictly a conflict of Israelis vs. Palestinians (where of course they're the stronger party) but Israelis vs. all of the land mine that is the Middle East, with their entire existence on the line. It's not so clear cut over who is the aggressor when you look at it from that broader perspective.
Post by StrawberryBlondie on Jun 26, 2017 12:17:05 GMT -5
Aside from having company all weekend, I generally stay out of Israel posts, since I'm wholly unqualified to have opinions on the topic.
That said, I'm mostly caught up, and think people need a reminder that when someone tells you a word or phrase is offensive to them, you just stop using it.
cookiemdough , I think you're spot on. And I have no problem doing a bit more legwork on education; it's a confusing and complicated history.
What I take issue with is forcing a parallel between white oppression in the States and Israeli oppression in the Middle East. I get why WOC might feel a connection to the Palestinians -- the same way many American Jews feel a keen sense of social justice here. But when you start saying Jews can't possibly understand oppression because some of us have white skin and this is about white vs. brown (when it's not -- many Jews and Muslims have the same skin tone), then you head straight into the derailment you see in that other thread.
Such a complicated conflict needs to be viewed through its own lens. Especially because many Jews do not see this as strictly a conflict of Israelis vs. Palestinians (where of course they're the stronger party) but Israelis vs. all of the land mine that is the Middle East, with their entire existence on the line. It's not so clear cut over who is the aggressor when you look at it from that broader perspective.
I agree and think the bolded text is a great point.
I also think too many other discussion topics were unproductively added into an already complex discussion. Sometimes it really is best to keep our mouths shut.
Post by TamiTaylor on Jun 26, 2017 12:26:19 GMT -5
I have had a busy weekend and a sick kid. I definitely apologize for my absence. That thread turned ugly. I when I teach my tolerance unit. I always start with the time leading up to the Civil War and everything in between that and WWII and then on to today's world. It's to be a lesson of tolerance across all races, nations, religions, creeds, and orientations.
However, I found myself unsure because I definitely do feel novice in regards to understanding Palestinian/Israeli dynamics.
I just want to say that I'm sorry you had to post this to get people, me included, involved in the other post. I was on vacation (niece's wedding last Saturday, followed by travel to SoCal Sunday/Disney Monday/Travel Tuesday and then a corporate thing in San Diego (ergo the Travel/Disney/Travel earlier in the week) for my DH from Thurs to Sat, with an oh-dark-thirty - as in I was traveling to the airport at 3:00 a.m.) departure Sunday. I spent most of Sunday sleeping it off and wasn't checking threads. I saw it was at 7 pages, didn't register the page count until you called out.
I'm sorry you had to call out, but I'm glad you did because otherwise I wouldn't have seen the page count as anything beyond the Israeli Army discussion and a not-unreasonable page count because of the content of the discussion. HOWEVER, knowing that in the past the Jewish women have (rightfully) called out microaggressions against them, I should have been more cognizant that a seven-page thread about Israel would have needed defending from those of us who are not Jewish and should be doing so as quickly as we would be defending other minority groups.
For all the talk of needing people to be allies, there wasn't much stepping up (aside from about 3 people) as one to call out posters for fucked up things said about Palestinians or to the one Palestinian voice in that thread for a long time.
Thanking me for sharing what my family is experiencing is not the same as calling out posters or liking posts in which I do.
If you don't feel comfortable writing something, a "like" can feel just as supportive.
barcelonagirl. As much as I appreciate your attempts at support, being 4 glasses deep and continuing to be stubborn, willfully ignoring explainations, and an ass was not helpful.
barcelonagirl. As much as I appreciate your attempts at support, being 4 glasses deep and continuing to be stubborn, willfully ignoring explainations, and an ass was not helpful.
I literally performed a piece this weekend that said "social justice and alcohol don't mix". I saw you get ignored and I got mean and petty real quick. I apologize. I am embarrassed.
I'm really having a hard time following if we're talking about Becky, or Israel/Palestine, or Jewish identity, so I decided to stay on the sidelines. Plus I don't know enough about the conflict and never know if what I've read before is reputable. I feel insecure posting in that thread. I've followed along though.
Honestly it's fucking shameful that we "know nothing about the topic" because this isn't the first big blowup we've had about this exact same issue. We've had several other threads throughout the years large and small about this. So, do people not read those threads at all? No one gets a spark to go look for more information? To want to chime in to learn more? Because I, personally, for damn sure have learned a lot throughout the years.
Post by imobviouslystaying on Jun 26, 2017 19:39:45 GMT -5
FWIW, I don't use the term Becky. It's a term I had something of a passing familiarity with but has never been common to where I've lived or grown up. I wasn't aware it was commonly used until Beyonce.
What I objected to was, what seemed to me, the insistence that the term originated as a disparaging term primarily used against white Jewish women. And then I objected to the idea that it's directed primarily at wealthy white women. And then I objected to the use of some common Jewish names as intending an insult against Jewish people when those names are also common American names. And then I objected to everything because what the actual fuck went on in there after I left, ffs??
The question of privilege is a difficult one and I think I articulated my point on that very poorly. I do believe there are a variety of people who, maybe not enjoy as much as experience, the cover of white privilege until proven otherwise and some Jews fall into that category. They are extended that privilege initially often times and quite often live in that privilege until they don't.
Bernie Sanders as I mentioned before is a good example. He is Jewish and I'm sure he regularly experiences anti-Semitism but at the same time, he's an old white man who benefits from white privilege in so many ways that he not only doesn't recognize but has dedicated himself to preserving for white, non-Jewish folks.
Honestly it's fucking shameful that we "know nothing about the topic" because this isn't the first big blowup we've had about this exact same issue. We've had several other threads throughout the years large and small about this. So, do people not read those threads at all? No one gets a spark to go look for more information? To want to chime in to learn more? Because I, personally, for damn sure have learned a lot throughout the years.
I had suggested towards the very end of the thread that we have a "Israeli/Palestine Conflict Reading List" thread (similar to ones compiled on racial understanding) that got a couple of likes. I think that may be a valuable place to start.
Most of my books on the topic, though, are pretty much WWII era, so I don't know if I'm the right person to do it. Especially as I'm neither Israeli or Palestinian.
Honestly it's fucking shameful that we "know nothing about the topic" because this isn't the first big blowup we've had about this exact same issue. We've had several other threads throughout the years large and small about this. So, do people not read those threads at all? No one gets a spark to go look for more information? To want to chime in to learn more? Because I, personally, for damn sure have learned a lot throughout the years.
And, again, the issue is more why didn't as many climb all over barcelona (and she is the one that sticks way the hell out) for showing her ass. To me, I think this was an area where someone on our board quadruple down and compared to other call outs (rightfully so ones), this was was, and still is, off, for lack of a better word. eta: Now that this is known, I will have my eye out and will come to the aid of any in this thread who were pained by her bullshit responses.
As for the topic---I am in need of more information of where we are today and clarifying things I read on ADL and what are some sites for the Palestinian side that are good ones. That is where I am learning.
Honestly it's fucking shameful that we "know nothing about the topic" because this isn't the first big blowup we've had about this exact same issue. We've had several other threads throughout the years large and small about this. So, do people not read those threads at all? No one gets a spark to go look for more information? To want to chime in to learn more? Because I, personally, for damn sure have learned a lot throughout the years.
I also don't think you need to know anything about the topic to recognize that there were people who were in pain due to their family or personal history of oppression, who were having their feelings dismissed and were told that they were wrong to feel the way they do. If there is one thing this board has taught me over the years, it's that I don't get to decide what is hurtful to someone else, especially not someone who is a part of a group that I don't belong to. There is no reason why ANYONE couldn't call that out. I mean I'm guilty too, but I think we all should recognize our lack of response instead of excusing it.
I also think if you don't know anything about the topic, reading that thread and others like it are very educational. Despite all the BS, I know I learned a lot about the subject from the thoughtful responses.
Honestly it's fucking shameful that we "know nothing about the topic" because this isn't the first big blowup we've had about this exact same issue. We've had several other threads throughout the years large and small about this. So, do people not read those threads at all? No one gets a spark to go look for more information? To want to chime in to learn more? Because I, personally, for damn sure have learned a lot throughout the years.
I also don't think you need to know anything about the topic to recognize that there were people who were in pain due to their family or personal history of oppression, who were having their feelings dismissed and were told that they were wrong to feel the way they do. If there is one thing this board has taught me over the years, it's that I don't get to decide what is hurtful to someone else, especially not someone who is a part of a group that I don't belong to. There is no reason why ANYONE couldn't call that out. I mean I'm guilty too, but I think we all should recognize our lack of response instead of excusing it.
I also think if you don't know anything about the topic, reading that thread and others like it are very educational. Despite all the BS, I know I learned a lot about the subject from the thoughtful responses.
Except there were posters in pain on both sides so here we are.
FWIW, I don't use the term Becky. It's a term I had something of a passing familiarity with but has never been common to where I've lived or grown up. I wasn't aware it was commonly used until Beyonce.
What I objected to was, what seemed to me, the insistence that the term originated as a disparaging term primarily used against white Jewish women. And then I objected to the idea that it's directed primarily at wealthy white women. And then I objected to the use of some common Jewish names as intending an insult against Jewish people when those names are also common American names. And then I objected to everything because what the actual fuck went on in there after I left, ffs??
The question of privilege is a difficult one and I think I articulated my point on that very poorly. I do believe there are a variety of people who, maybe not enjoy as much as experience, the cover of white privilege until proven otherwise and some Jews fall into that category. They are extended that privilege initially often times and quite often live in that privilege until they don't.
Bernie Sanders as I mentioned before is a good example. He is Jewish and I'm sure he regularly experiences anti-Semitism but at the same time, he's an old white man who benefits from white privilege in so many ways that he not only doesn't recognize but has dedicated himself to preserving for white, non-Jewish folks.
You did articulate yourself very poorly. (And I'm saying this calmly and trying to articulate how it came off without anger, because, aside from the insanity of last night, I'm past the anger, and I don't believe that there was intention to wound.) Especially because many of us, in that thread, and in the Ashkenazi Jews as WOC thread articulated the fact that we know we that many of us experience white privilege until we don't - and I've said it to other Jewish friends: we're white until someone finds out we're not.
But that doesn't discount the actual overt acts of anti-Semitism perpetrated - the bomb threats, the swastikas, the spitting - and the insidious way anti-Semitism has wound its way into culture (like someone saying they only want a Jewish lawyer, for example). And that wasn't even acknowledged as something that is damaging to us or as a valid experience. It was tossed aside - still white, still experience privilege, doesn't matter. And, I personally, looked around, and saw no one else jumping in to defend us, and felt, why doesn't our experience matter too? Why isn't this a wrong we need to work to right as well? Or even, I understand if that's not your cause to work for! Devote your time and energies to what matters most to you and affects you and yours, of course! But acknowledge the experience of others as valid as well.