So exciting! Interesting wording that he "informed" the queen.
That’s standard William’s said the same ‘informed’ just mean she was told that the proposal was accepted. He would have asked her permission prior to proposing.
Does Harry technically need permission, since he’s not in the direct line of succession?
Also interesting: Meghan is Catholic, but I guess that doesn’t matter anymore.
Meghan is obviously much better at public speaking than Kate, given her profession. On the flip side, Kate was already used to those social circles and how rich people work in the UK, and Meghan has not been groomed for that. So I think it might be hard for her.
That’s standard William’s said the same ‘informed’ just mean she was told that the proposal was accepted. He would have asked her permission prior to proposing.
Does Harry technically need permission, since he’s not in the direct line of succession?
Also interesting: Meghan is Catholic, but I guess that doesn’t matter anymore.
Yes. I forget how far down it goes.
I think once the new baby is born he wouldn't need permission anymore, maybe?
Meghan is obviously much better at public speaking than Kate, given her profession. On the flip side, Kate was already used to those social circles and how rich people work in the UK, and Meghan has not been groomed for that. So I think it might be hard for her.
I think some aspects of this will be easier for her since she is used to charity work, cameras, etc, but obviously she is moving to a whole new country and lifestyle. So it will be interesting to see how the next year or so goes.
That’s standard William’s said the same ‘informed’ just mean she was told that the proposal was accepted. He would have asked her permission prior to proposing.
Does Harry technically need permission, since he’s not in the direct line of succession?
Also interesting: Meghan is Catholic, but I guess that doesn’t matter anymore.
The first six people in the line of succession need to get the monarch's permission - right now that's Charles, William, George, Charlotte, Harry, and Andrew. New Baby Cambridge will knock Andrew out of the top six (which has set off gossip that maybe he'll re-marry Fergie once he doesn't need Mom's permission anymore).
The rules have been amended so that a royal family member who marries a Catholic person no longer has to forfeit his/her space in the succession lineup. So it's up to Meghan if she wishes to convert or not.
I didn't even see the photocall at Kensington Palace in the gardens ... apparently it was very quick!
Lousy screengrab of the ring. I'm sure better pics are to come. I will be eager to hear the story behind it!
ETA: Royal correspondent for The Sun says that Harry designed it, with one diamond from Botswana and two of Diana's diamonds.
The weird thing about the photocall was that they were so far away from the cameras. With will and kate they were much closer, it felt like. she also kept hiding the ring, lol. (I don't think it was intentional, I think she was clutching to harry for dear life lol.)
From what I’ve read, I don’t think Harry would be mad about being taken out of the line of succession lol. I think Meghan will adjust pretty well, especially since Harry is a rather reluctant royal himself.
I think that Harry and Meghan will start to take over some of the foreign royal trips currently done by the Earl and Countess of Wessex. Foreign royal weddings, diplomatic visits, coronations/ceremonies, and the like. If not soon after their wedding, then once Charles ascends the throne.
I'm sure Harry is not at all worried about getting bumped down further in line.
Post by thelurkylulu on Nov 27, 2017 9:30:05 GMT -5
I highly doubt Meghan will ever act again. Also, all Kate is going to have to do for the wedding is show up. She always looks amazing (even hours after popping out a baby) so I don't think her due date really matters in the grand scheme of things. I can't wait to watch their interview later this evening!
I am hoping the wedding is while I am off to maternity leave, this way I can stay up to watch it since their weddings typically happen on a weekday and I wont be a zombie at work after.
Well, that would only be if they have a church wedding, which I don't think is likely since she is divorced.
The Archbishop of Canterbury has stated there is no impediment to their marriage which has been taken to mean they can have a Church wedding. Could be that for whatever reason her first marriage is not seen as valid.
Well, that would only be if they have a church wedding, which I don't think is likely since she is divorced.
Isn't kind of the whole point of the [founding of the] Church of England to allow divorce and remarriage?
Common misconception, it was about getting Henry an annulment not a divorce. He wanted to have a church recognized 2nd marriage so his (hopefully) future son would have no challengers to his succession. Eventually said F it and split and had the Archbishop of Canterbury grant the annulment so he could marry Anne.
See: Edward VIII having to abdicate to marry a divorced woman.
Post by CheeringCharm on Nov 27, 2017 9:33:07 GMT -5
“I knew she was the one from the very first day”
Aww ❤️ ❤️ I am seriously fan girling over them right now, lol. Also I love her white coat.
ETA: there’s a good close up of her ring in the DM right now if you’re interested - nice and clear. It’s very elegant and pretty. The two outside diamonds once belonged to Diana.
Well, that would only be if they have a church wedding, which I don't think is likely since she is divorced.
The Archbishop of Canterbury has stated there is no impediment to their marriage which has been taken to mean they can have a Church wedding. Could be that for whatever reason her first marriage is not seen as valid.
Her first marriage was a civil wedding, right? So perhaps the Church of England doesn't see that as "valid" and therefore a church wedding with Harry is no problem?
The current Queen of Spain was married once before ... her first wedding was civil, so therefore the Catholic Church didn't recognize it as "valid" and therefore her marriage to the current king was allowed to take place in a Catholic church. But that's Catholicism, not Church of England.
Also, the big issue with divorce in the Church of England is whether the ex-spouse is still living. The big objection to Wallis Simpson, and Camilla Duchess of Cornwall, was that their ex-husbands were still alive. Charles did divorce Diana, yes, but she died and therefore Charles was considered a widower who was free to marry again. If Camilla's first husband had also died, then they would've been free to marry in Westminster Abbey or whatever.
Re: Meghan still working ... there's precedent for that, where the Countess of Wessex (married to the Queen's youngest son) kept going with her PR career after her marriage. But (a) Edward was further down the line than Harry, and (b) Sophie wound up quitting anyway after a sting operation where she was taped saying some not-great stuff. Meghan will be married to a higher-ranking royal, and also I think being an actress in the public eye sort of carries a different weight than being a PR person or a bank worker or whatever. If she's left Suits then I would think that she's done with acting. She'll take on her own charitable roles as the Duchess of Whatever, she and Harry will join Will and Kate with their joint Royal Foundation charity (unless they split off and form their own?), she'll support Harry with his Invictus Games, and they'll do whatever else the monarch asks of them.
Kate has taken on art- and child-related stuff for her own charity projects. Perhaps Meghan would be interested in making acting/drama-related charities her own pet projects, in addition to the charities she already supports (some kind of clean water initiative, I believe).
That’s standard William’s said the same ‘informed’ just mean she was told that the proposal was accepted. He would have asked her permission prior to proposing.
Does Harry technically need permission, since he’s not in the direct line of succession?
Also interesting: Meghan is Catholic, but I guess that doesn’t matter anymore.
Some of this may all be considered "OK" because Harry will be number 6 in the line of succession by the time the wedding happens. It would take a catastrophe for him (or his heirs) to end up on the throne. It is sufficiently unlikely that certain things might be allowable for him that never would have been for Prince William.
I just keep thinking how Meaghan is going to be a stranger in a strange land. When Kate had her babies, she went to her parents house to recover. I just keep thinking how difficult it will be for Meaghan. it’s not like she can just hop on a plane to see her support system without it being a major logistical undertaking. Harry better REALLY love and support her.
I wonder if her half siblings will be invited to the wedding and how that will play out. Her brother was arrested for domestic abuse (held a gun to his fiancee's head), wants Harry at his bachelor party and wants to throw Harry's. Her half sister is trying to write a tell all book and used to tell people Meghan's mom was the maid .
I think the royals are moving more and more away from the formality and rigid rules of the throne, but not as quickly as probably Harry would like since the Queen and Charles are still alive. I hope they are able to live the life they want with occasional royal duties instead of constant scrutiny and shit stories in the tabloids.
Meghan is gorgeous and looks so much younger and youthful than Kate. I'm more excited to see her outfits and wedding pictures than K&W's.
I just keep thinking how Meaghan is going to be a stranger in a strange land. When Kate had her babies, she went to her parents house to recover. I just keep thinking how difficult it will be for Meaghan. it’s not like she can just hop on a plane to see her support system without it being a major logistical undertaking. Harry better REALLY love and support her.
Agreed. Harry said so himself a few years ago ... it takes a really strong, special woman to commit to this lifestyle and make these sacrifices.
The Queen has been really accommodating with allowing Kate's family to join them for events around Christmas, and other events that were traditionally royals-only, so I hope she offers the same courtesy to Meghan's family (assuming Meghan wants that - I have no idea if they're close or not, although it seems that way since her mom was in their box at the Invictus Games). That stinks that her family would have to fly in every time, though.
I just keep thinking how Meaghan is going to be a stranger in a strange land. When Kate had her babies, she went to her parents house to recover. I just keep thinking how difficult it will be for Meaghan. it’s not like she can just hop on a plane to see her support system without it being a major logistical undertaking. Harry better REALLY love and support her.
Kate was basically groomed for her role for years and her mother was the perfect "stage mom". I don't think Meghan will be under as much pressure as Kate, however I also don't believe Harry would marry her if he didn't think she could handle the lifestyle.
I think Meghan has a real ally in Kate and will have her has a mentor and friend, adjusting to public royal life. Personally, I wouldn't choose any level of celebrity - royal, Hollywood, whatever - but I don't think Meghan is naive to what she's going to experience. I wish them every happiness!
I just keep thinking how Meaghan is going to be a stranger in a strange land. When Kate had her babies, she went to her parents house to recover. I just keep thinking how difficult it will be for Meaghan. it’s not like she can just hop on a plane to see her support system without it being a major logistical undertaking. Harry better REALLY love and support her.
I agree. Harry seems like he really adores her. They're always holding hands and hugging in public. They look so natural and affectionate together (especially compared to Will who often looks ill at ease and uncomfortable).
Maybe Kate herself will be Meghan's primary support system after Harry. She probably understands the pressure and scrutiny better than anyone else. She seems to get along well with Harry so it stands to reason she would get along with Meghan.
This person will be relieved to learn that Meghan will indeed be a princess, by virtue of marrying a prince.
That being said, she isn't entitled to be known as "Princess Meghan" since she is not a blood princess (ditto for Kate, Diana, Camilla). Her official title will be "Her Royal Highness Princess Henry," and she'll likely be known as "The Duchess of X" (because Harry will in all likelihood be offered a Dukedom on his wedding day - most guesses say Clarence or Sussex).
I like her white coat for the photo call. She's very fashionable and I look forward to see what she'll wear to official engagements. I also look forward to see what tiara, if any, she'll wear to their wedding, and what other royal jewels she'll be loaned in the future.
They look happy together. I hope that's the case. I am glad Harry will have someone to accompany him to all the stuff he has to do.