I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that the queer characters lack depth.
I am so unbelievably confused by this critique. Dumbfounded, really. To the contrary, the queer characters and their backstories (all of them, even those who were extremely minor characters) felt so deep and relevant and poignant and haunting and real that I questioned after episode 2 this season whether I could continue to watch.
I was glad to take a mini break from some of the storylines that broke me last week, though.
I can't decide which is more horrifying: the dystopian end result of society, or the flashbacks we see of the slow stripping away of women's rights. I sometimes think it's the latter because it seems so plausible.
I'm not reading the rest of the thread, because I'm not caught up on the show, but I literally just said this to h the other night. I think the flashbacks actually give me more anxiety.
It highlights ow, even when a handmaid is pregnant, and therefore safe from most physical and sexual abuse, they are still going to go hard on the psychological abuse.
Post by StrawberryBlondie on May 10, 2018 12:19:07 GMT -5
I've been thinking for a couple weeks about this and I wish they wouldn't have killed off Marisa Tomei's character right away. Wife turned Unwoman seems like it has potential for a super interesting storyline.
I hate Serena most of all right now. I expect this shit from men. And I think Aunt Lydia is not okay upstairs. Serena was completely complicit in this, and I find it so fucking rich that she's going to complain now. YOU MADE YOUR BED, YOU FUCKING BITCH. Get out of June's.
Post by PatBenatar on May 10, 2018 13:54:25 GMT -5
Poor June. That baby shower was infuriating. I can only hope Serena doesn't get to have the baby but seeing how things are going, she probably will. She really is the worst.
Nick needs to step up too. Does he want these jerks raising his kid??
I would be interested to see Aunt Lydia's backstory.
Poor June. That baby shower was infuriating. I can only hope Serena doesn't get to have the baby but seeing how things are going, she probably will. She really is the worst.
Nick needs to step up too. Does he want these jerks raising his kid??
I would be interested to see Aunt Lydia's backstory.
I think Nick is doing what he can. He tried to help get June out of there. He can’t go full on rogue because he would be killed and then she would probably have very little chance of ever escaping.
I agree about Aunt Lydia. I need to know more about her past.
I would be interested to see Aunt Lydia's backstory.
Me too. In the book, I pictured the aunts as super harsh nuns. Kind of like as portrayed in the movie Novitiate. I'm not really getting that in the show.
Remember when the bitchy econowife comments, "I don't know how you could ever give up your baby". Well, you're not about to find out!
And on that topic: Eventually they're going to run out of fertile Handmaids, right? In the future once the current crop age out of childbearing.
So what's their plans then? Turn econowives and their offspring into Handmaids? Enslave people from other countries?
Doesn't seem like a well thought out plan beyond this generation.
Especially since they also dispose of fertile women like Emily and Janine. I would think they'd chain them to a bed before sending them to the wastelands...but, I guess they are too unpredictable.
But, I agree, it would be boring. It will be interesting to see what and how her next escape is sparked.
It felt like a weird moment to throw this in. Are we supposed to lose some sympathy for June? Are they trying to make me hate her?
I think they were trying to play up why aunt Lydia was able to make her feel like she was an awful, selfish whore. the guilt of all her past decisions came flooding back, and she retreated into to “my fault” depression.
Yeah, if anything it made me hate June & Luke more.
I also didn't feel any sympathy towards June when she had it out with her mom. She was literally telling you!
I hate Serena most of all right now. I expect this shit from men. And I think Aunt Lydia is not okay upstairs. Serena was completely complicit in this, and I find it so fucking rich that she's going to complain now. YOU MADE YOUR BED, YOU FUCKING BITCH. Get out of June's.
I was tying (& failed) to explain my absolute adoration re: the choice of Portia playing Serena. (To H- he didn’t care nor did he understand my unrequested explanation, having never read the book.) I hate her (Serena) more than I feel like most viewers might, & that’s why I Very much love CEP ❤️
It felt like a weird moment to throw this in. Are we supposed to lose some sympathy for June? Are they trying to make me hate her?
Dude: H had some SUPER problems with this, too. I was all, shhhh, everything’s FINE! But you guys are definitely correct in wondering where the Eff this places June, as a character...
Post by One Girl In All The World on May 11, 2018 6:58:47 GMT -5
I think we were definitely supposed to hate June and Luke in this episode.
I feel like this has been building for a while through the flashbacks - even back to last season. They made bad decisions all along the way - waiting too long to get out, then the shit with Luke's marriage, her attitude toward her mom and her activism, etc. Maybe I read to much into it, but it kept feeling like an allegory for our current climate - so many of us can go about our day like nothing really bad is going on, and we could easily ignore it until it's too late.
I hate Serena most of all right now. I expect this shit from men. And I think Aunt Lydia is not okay upstairs. Serena was completely complicit in this, and I find it so fucking rich that she's going to complain now. YOU MADE YOUR BED, YOU FUCKING BITCH. Get out of June's.
I was tying (& failed) to explain my absolute adoration re: the choice of Portia playing Serena. (To H- he didn’t care nor did he understand my unrequested explanation, having never read the book.) I hate her (Serena) more than I feel like most viewers might, & that’s why I Very much love CEP ❤️
Portia? Serena is played by Yvonne Strahovsky, she was in Dexter, among other things.
I hate Serena most of all right now. I expect this shit from men. And I think Aunt Lydia is not okay upstairs. Serena was completely complicit in this, and I find it so fucking rich that she's going to complain now. YOU MADE YOUR BED, YOU FUCKING BITCH. Get out of June's.
I was tying (& failed) to explain my absolute adoration re: the choice of Portia playing Serena. (To H- he didn’t care nor did he understand my unrequested explanation, having never read the book.) I hate her (Serena) more than I feel like most viewers might, & that’s why I Very much love CEP ❤️
She's not Portia, although at first I thought she was too.
I think we were definitely supposed to hate June and Luke in this episode.
I feel like this has been building for a while through the flashbacks - even back to last season. They made bad decisions all along the way - waiting too long to get out, then the shit with Luke's marriage, her attitude toward her mom and her activism, etc. Maybe I read to much into it, but it kept feeling like an allegory for our current climate - so many of us can go about our day like nothing really bad is going on, and we could easily ignore it until it's too late.
I completely agree with this. I remember feeling WTF about June and her attitude towards her mother's feminism when I read the book and the show is only highlighting that for me. I think it shows that there can sometimes me generational amnesia where we forget the freedoms others didn't haven even a generation or two ago.
I was tying (& failed) to explain my absolute adoration re: the choice of Portia playing Serena. (To H- he didn’t care nor did he understand my unrequested explanation, having never read the book.) I hate her (Serena) more than I feel like most viewers might, & that’s why I Very much love CEP ❤️
She's not Portia, although at first I thought she was too.
OH MY GOSH!!! 😯 Thanks so much for the correction!!
It felt like a weird moment to throw this in. Are we supposed to lose some sympathy for June? Are they trying to make me hate her?
This totally failed for me. Like, I sort of felt for Annie in the sense that it probably sucks to lose your husband that way, but mostly, I just didn't care.
Post by cookiemdough on May 12, 2018 7:51:47 GMT -5
Luke was an asshole in that episode. The notion you cheat and break your vows and hurt someone means you should probably be a little understanding at their pain. Not leaving screaming messages cursing her out. That being said, none of that means his second marriage is not real and that it should have gone unrecognized because of the adultry, leading to the reason the family was separated.
I think that episode in general was just meant to show the consequences, intended or not, for ones action.
June is very single-minded and While I think that she did have a real moment for Jaeneen. Everything after was about her own internal power. Which great...except she knew she was shielded from certain consequences. Everyone else was not. That poor man’s family.