Holy shit, pantsparty. “A video got posted”?! SHE posted it. SHE posed, grinning, next to a person wearing a feathered headdress and then POSTED it to Instagram for attention and praise. She only regretted it when comments started rolling in. This is by her own admission ffs.
Please tell me what precisely I am rewriting. Have I changed any of the events that happened?
Farmer went to a "Wild West" party A video was posted with a white person in the background wearing an Indian headdress and imitating a war cry Farmer was called out here Farmer apologized
Is there anything materially incorrect here? I understand my opinion of farmer's apology is not everyone's opinion (wrt her being genuine), but I don't believe I've actually changed the events.
You left out a shitload. JFC.
Okay well, I didn't realize any time this was brought up a detailed timeline needed to be provided. That doesn't change the fact I'm not REWRITING or denying anything that happened.
Holy shit, pantsparty . “A video got posted”?! SHE posted it. SHE posed, grinning, next to a person wearing a feathered headdress and then POSTED it to Instagram for attention and praise. She only regretted it when comments started rolling in. This is by her own admission ffs.
You must be joking with this bullshit.
Have I not said MULTIPLE TIMES it was egregious? Apparently everyone here thinks I'm downplaying what happened, and I'm sorry, because that was NEVER my intent. But if that's what everyone is taking from it, I guess I'm wrong and I'll STFU.
Okay well, I didn't realize any time this was brought up a detailed timeline needed to be provided. That doesn't change the fact I'm not REWRITING or denying anything that happened.
I mean a nod to her reluctance? A blurb about the shit she said?
And yes, you did. Apologize profusely? Really? Is that how you see it? You don't understand how glossing over a major point in that scenario is rewriting? I'll give you the definition of rewriting:
write (something) again so as to alter or improve it.
At the end of the day, it is what it is. She's your girl. Her, miso, booby - it's no big deal to shoot the shit with. Fine. But to think there would be no push back and to further dig in? Really?
Holy shit, pantsparty . “A video got posted”?! SHE posted it. SHE posed, grinning, next to a person wearing a feathered headdress and then POSTED it to Instagram for attention and praise. She only regretted it when comments started rolling in. This is by her own admission ffs.
You must be joking with this bullshit.
Have I not said MULTIPLE TIMES it was egregious? Apparently everyone here thinks I'm downplaying what happened, and I'm sorry, because that was NEVER my intent. But if that's what everyone is taking from it, I guess I'm wrong and I'll STFU.
Because you are. So is Jenny1980. Here in this thread, in the original thread.
What is your intent? I honestly can't tell at this point.
"When did I say I was the expert on what's racist? I'm not and I didn't. And I'm sure as hell not rewriting history. I have said clearly and many times what farmer posted was racist and inexcusable. She apologized and said it was egregious and it's not up to me who says that's forgivable. She continues to be my friend and I guess that's all I can say or should have said. "
"I don't think I'm minimizing. There isn't an excuse. Farmer was called out, publicly and privately, and also apologized. If you want to continue to think she's a shit person for all eternity, I guess that's your choice. To jigsy's point there's a whole bunch of people in this post who barely ever interacted with farmer who now are trying to win the woke Olympics. Predictable. "
"I really don't think this is fair. Farmer apologized, repeatedly, and said that people were absolutely right in calling her out. She is not the one who wore a headdress. I don't know what else you expected her to do, but go back in time and not go to that party, or move her whole family to not live next to some racist assholes? "
How it went down was a call out thread, FV saying she didn't do the war cry, then crying about people making personal attacks, then this:
"Well I have no defense, right? I don't know what you expect me to say. If I apologize, I ain't shit. If I say nothing or try to defend myself and/or my friends in any way it's the same result as well. It was a gone western party and I dressed appropriately.
And yes the call out is appropriate and I won't attempt to justify it. I posted the picture bc it's a good friend's birthday but I didn't expect the comments that came immediately after so I deleted it."
Then we got this:
"I'm sorry that I'm not like all of you who claim that you'd call it out when/if you saw it, I'm not perfect. People are saying to re-evaluate the company I keep and I constantly do. These are not my only friends and they aren't who I primarily spend my time with. But I live in this community, my kids play with their kids, they go to the same schools, people here support my business and are kind to me and my family - this is my life. Do you expect me to move? I do the best that I can."
I'll award a 1/2 point for the actual words "I'm sorry" but in no way does this count as an actual apology. LOL
Pages and pages later we get "Why are so many leaps being made!" and then we get this:
"Baje yes I realize it's shitty and racist. If I haven't already acknowledged that I'll say it again. It was horrible judgement on my part to post the picture and the IG stories, and I really don't have an explanation for it. Am I sorry yes I am. Should I have left the party probably. But I didn't. If that makes me a racist to some then anythjng I say won't change their minds. In the moment at the party I was having fun and participating like everyone else, I can't explain myself. And yes I acknowledge that makes me a hypocrite that I was offended by the Ching Chong incident that happened me to me."
Followed up by a - Someone is stalking me and I'm absolutely not a racist, I just make bad judgment calls but in no way am I going to stop posting because I do what I want and if you don't like it, block me.
I mean... apologized profusely seems like a stretch, no?
So when I say you're rewriting history it's because no, it wasn't like she apologized and we're out of line for expecting anything else. ^^^^ That is not how it went down.
Okay, you're right. I honestly was not trying to minimize anything but it's clear that's how it comes across. I don't blame a single person for not accepting this apology. I don't think I've ever hidden the fact that I'm friends with farmer, and I do feel the need to defend her, but some things are just not defensible. I do know she is contrite but that's just me.
Holy shit, pantsparty . “A video got posted”?! SHE posted it. SHE posed, grinning, next to a person wearing a feathered headdress and then POSTED it to Instagram for attention and praise. She only regretted it when comments started rolling in. This is by her own admission ffs.
You must be joking with this bullshit.
Have I not said MULTIPLE TIMES it was egregious? Apparently everyone here thinks I'm downplaying what happened, and I'm sorry, because that was NEVER my intent. But if that's what everyone is taking from it, I guess I'm wrong and I'll STFU.
Have I not said MULTIPLE TIMES it was egregious? Apparently everyone here thinks I'm downplaying what happened, and I'm sorry, because that was NEVER my intent. But if that's what everyone is taking from it, I guess I'm wrong and I'll STFU.
Since you all love to act like you don't remember... Here she is, with her arm around Becky with the headdress. She's got a shit eating grin. SHE POSTED THIS ON INSTAGRAM.
Post by ledareansley on Jan 25, 2019 20:59:40 GMT -5
I have read with great interest this thread. I lurked for a long time before I felt brave enough to join you guys. I noticed some problematic shit but people tolerated people who I thought were absolutely terrible, so I thought, "private jokes, community you don't understand." And then the racial stuff began happening. And finally it got called out. And I realized no, this is messed up.
I recently began lurking again and was kind of surprised at how little traffic there was because this place was so active. I was looking for some resources because I had to have some surgery and figured, hey these folks might know some stuff. I'll be happy to share what happened to me if you guys are like "OMG WHY ARE YOU BACK." I get how people are v. thirsty for drama, and that's not me, I don't give a fuck about that. I needed help and real life experiences and figured this was a good place to start.
Looking back and revisiting this, I was absolutely appalled by the responses I got. Today, I don't think I was out of line for being pissed off by Elle specifically and how others were reacting to clear racial shit was happening here. I had watched it and was livid. I honestly do not apologize for my response then, and I don't apologize now.
In fact, I double down on my anger and can't believe after how much time and proof you have that some of you are still defending the fuckery and ass showing that some of these women displayed toward others. Come on guys.
And not to take away from the actual topic, that Farmer pic is so gross
Curious as to why you are saying "ho.lee.shit." Is it to her appearance? Or, something else?
To the difference in her appearance in that photo vs. what she photoshopped to put on here. I don’t understand changing your appearance so much to post a photo.
I agree that it's not appropriate for white women to put the onus on WOC to call out racism.
But let's remember that the party wasn't just a bystander situation. Farmville said she had to look back at her video to determine whether she was the one mocking a war cry - with the implication that she was doing it, just not on camera. And she acted like it was nbd since she wasn't the one on camera.
WTF?? No. That is not remotely what she said or what happened. Cite your sources.
You need to get the fuck out of here too Jenny. Bye bitch.
WTF?? No. That is not remotely what she said or what happened. Cite your sources.
You need to get the fuck out of here too Jenny. Bye bitch.
I can't find Jenny's post so I'm quoting this one. I do think that Farmer worded it in a way that left her participation in the war cries up to interpretation. And since she didn't clarify it, that leads me to believe she was a participant too.
You need to get the fuck out of here too Jenny. Bye bitch.
I can't find Jenny's post so I'm quoting this one. I do think that Farmer worded it in a way that left her participation in the war cries up to interpretation. And since she didn't clarify it, that leads me to believe she was a participant too.
That's not even relevant to me though. She clearly read this WHOLE thread and popped in just to "clarify" something that isn't even the point. The point is that FV was there at all. That she happily posted the picture and videos and didn't see a damn thing wrong with it until after she got comments on IG is the whole damn problem. She's problematic and anyone sticking up for her no matter how lame the excuse is just as problematic.
I can't find Jenny's post so I'm quoting this one. I do think that Farmer worded it in a way that left her participation in the war cries up to interpretation. And since she didn't clarify it, that leads me to believe she was a participant too.
That's not even relevant to me though. She clearly read this WHOLE thread and popped in just to "clarify" something that isn't even the point. The point is that FV was there at all. That she happily posted the picture and videos and didn't see a damn thing wrong with it until after she got comments on IG is the whole damn problem. She's problematic and anyone sticking up for her no matter how lame the excuse is just as problematic.