Post by theoverlander on Aug 7, 2019 14:01:43 GMT -5
I’m having a hard time understanding Serena’s logic. What does she think will happen now that she is in Canada? She really has no legal right to the baby. Does she expect them to give her the baby? Work out some sort of joint custody agreement? Also, she looked visibly upset when Moira was calling her out for holding June down... does she suddenly have regrets for that?
Another question: Do the wives know about Jezebel’s?
I’m having a hard time understanding Serena’s logic. What does she think will happen now that she is in Canada? She really has no legal right to the baby. Does she expect them to give her the baby? Work out some sort of joint custody agreement? Also, she looked visibly upset when Moira was calling her out for holding June down... does she suddenly have regrets for that?
Another question: Do the wives know about Jezebel’s?
Serena knew that June and Fred had gone somewhere in Season 1. Lipstick or perfume on the collar of her cape or something. She also intimated in the argument with Fred that he'd done so with their previous handmaid.
“With sorrow—for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection—we dissent,”
I am confused by June letting Mrs. Lawrence die. It just seems not wise. And maybe she wasn't really thinking through all the repercussions. But, then again. I suppose the one week time frame is nearly done, so maybe it doesn't matter, its not like the would have a same day funeral, right?
Seems risky through. Who knows how the commander would react, or how the household would be effected.
And Serena...like, she can't seriously think this is going to work out for her the way she wants.
I am confused by June letting Mrs. Lawrence die. It just seems not wise. And maybe she wasn't really thinking through all the repercussions. But, then again. I suppose the one week time frame is nearly done, so maybe it doesn't matter, its not like the would have a same day funeral, right?
Seems risky through. Who knows how the commander would react, or how the household would be effected.
And Serena...like, she can't seriously think this is going to work out for her the way she wants.
I mean, what was she going to do? She could try to get her help, in which case they'd take her to the hospital and pump her stomach. Since she's incredibly unreliable, she'd probably spill the plan and then they'd all be hung. I think she felt trapped. Pretending like she didn't know about it may have felt like the best way out.
Or maybe it wouldn't have mattered if she had tried to help her. It is Gilead after all and suicide is considered a sin, right? So maybe "they" would have let her die anyway. At least she died in her bed, not in a strange place or by hanging.
I loved Moira telling off Serena and not backing down. I also loved watching her interact with Nichole. She was so good with her. Serena looks 10 years younger in her normal people clothes.
I am confused by June letting Mrs. Lawrence die. It just seems not wise. And maybe she wasn't really thinking through all the repercussions. But, then again. I suppose the one week time frame is nearly done, so maybe it doesn't matter, its not like the would have a same day funeral, right?
Seems risky through. Who knows how the commander would react, or how the household would be effected.
And Serena...like, she can't seriously think this is going to work out for her the way she wants.
I mean, what was she going to do? She could try to get her help, in which case they'd take her to the hospital and pump her stomach. Since she's incredibly unreliable, she'd probably spill the plan and then they'd all be hung. I think she felt trapped. Pretending like she didn't know about it may have felt like the best way out.
Or maybe it wouldn't have mattered if she had tried to help her. It is Gilead after all and suicide is considered a sin, right? So maybe "they" would have let her die anyway. At least she died in her bed, not in a strange place or by hanging.
I feel like she definitely weighed the risks. The safer bet was that Commander Lawrence might still help get the children out in honor of his dead wife. If she had gotten help and her to the hospital their plan would have ended right then.
I mean, what was she going to do? She could try to get her help, in which case they'd take her to the hospital and pump her stomach. Since she's incredibly unreliable, she'd probably spill the plan and then they'd all be hung. I think she felt trapped. Pretending like she didn't know about it may have felt like the best way out.
Or maybe it wouldn't have mattered if she had tried to help her. It is Gilead after all and suicide is considered a sin, right? So maybe "they" would have let her die anyway. At least she died in her bed, not in a strange place or by hanging.
I feel like she definitely weighed the risks. The safer bet was that Commander Lawrence might still help get the children out in honor of his dead wife. If she had gotten help and her to the hospital their plan would have ended right then.
That's where I am. Getting Mrs. Lawrence medical help would have derailed everything. And god knows what she would have said in the hospital if she came around - she was already saying more than she should have in their own home.
Did anyone else notice that book that Luke had when he met with Fred? What was in it? Is it bad that it got left behind?
I thought it might be all the letters from other handmaids june and moira smuggled out.
I thought Luke was going to show Fred the harm Gilead had done and that they had proof.
That seems like a good possibility. I just don't even understand why. Why bother? He's clearly such a piece of a shit, it wouldn't matter to him.
Also, I'd really like to know what the hell is going on with Nick. Where is he? What is he doing? Is he a good guy or a bad guy (I know, shades of grey and all that)?
I thought it might be all the letters from other handmaids june and moira smuggled out.
I thought Luke was going to show Fred the harm Gilead had done and that they had proof.
That seems like a good possibility. I just don't even understand why. Why bother? He's clearly such a piece of a shit, it wouldn't matter to him.
Also, I'd really like to know what the hell is going on with Nick. Where is he? What is he doing? Is he a good guy or a bad guy (I know, shades of grey and all that)?
100%.
It seems like all that stuff should go to Tuello to help the us make a case against Fred.
At the beginning when June was pointing the gun at the door, thinking Gilead gvt. Was coming and Eleanor popped in, I thought it was going to be Nick.
I think there is a small possibility that Serena Joy calculated her only escape from Gilead, her marriage, oppression, husband beating/finger chopping for reading (and basic, all-consuming powerlessness) was to exploit the “I want my baby” angle in the international community. She let the baby girl leave Gilead because she wanted her to NOT grow up in Gilead. Her and Fred were positioned for a powerful position in DC with access to a home and more handmaids baby making. They were on track for a family with children. I think her selfishness is actually grounded in wanting to get out of Gilead and write more books (and get to be a mother in a non-woman-hating-oppressive government) and following Nicole was her ticket. She hands-over Fred, gets immunity, asylum status, and a fresh start. Maybe not Nicole. But Nicole doesn’t get dragged back to Gilead either. Which she already decided she didn’t want for her. Serena Joy wants what SHE wants and being oppressed in Gilead is not what she wants for herself or her daughter (or future daughters). So, she masterminded a plan.
OR ...
Nick shows up in Canada and pairs-up with Serena Joy as the natural father and also gets asylum as the natural father and side-steps all his war crimes. Because Nick is one step ahead of everyone.
I hope Nick does come back but not to take the baby....I thought we'd see some of what happens in Chicago this season since he was stationed there. I guess not.
Tuello told Serena last season that he could get her a baby if she wanted one. But now I think she definitely just wants Nicole.
ok finally watched. At the end when they were by the graveside, the look that Joseph gave her was chilling, as if he knew June let his wife die. I don't know but there was something there.
I think Rita and Joseph are gonna die. Maybe just Rita.
One theory: I think June ends up on the plane even though she doesn't WANT to be on the plane and she ends up in Canada. She can't just stay with Joseph. Without a wife he has no need for a handmaid.
But someone will be coming back to Gilead for Hannah...be it June or Serena...I don't know. I can't imagine June not in Gilead but also don't really see in what capacity she can stay.
Also I am not understanding how all these Marthas are going to deliver the kids...are they delivering the kids from their own homes or is it like when June helped Nicole escape and there is the underground railroad of Marthas that ferries the kids out so the one in the home where the kid resides doesn't actually leave with the kid.
Or maybe the season ends like the first, they all get on the plane and then it goes dark and we have to guess what happens next.
Serena definitely left because she was selfish. When they are in the woods on their last night (in Maine? VT? Nh? Ny?) Fred openly admits he didn’t realize how hard it would be for Serena. Not being able to read or write is soul crushing for her. And we know Fred is sterile - he even joked that maybe Serena would have left him when he couldn’t give her a baby.
So staying in DC would be empty for Serena. A new handmaid there wouldn’t help her unless she found another driver to have sex with her handmaid....
One theory: I think June ends up on the plane even though she doesn't WANT to be on the plane and she ends up in Canada.
This is also my prediction. At this point, I don't think she would adjust well.
I agree this theory seems plausible. It would be interesting to see her reunion with Luke. Like you, I don't think she'll adjust well. Maybe the story line will shift somewhat to her coping with being in Canada and Hannah still in Gilead, her efforts to get Hannah out, that kind of thing.
What happened to Nick and Emily?! An update would be nice.
I can’t see June leaving Gilead. I think she’ll either be assigned to another house or Joseph will be “given” a new wife. Or both?
I don’t see how Joseph could’ve known that June didn’t get help for Eleanor, but that was some look he gave her at the end.
This is what I kind of wondered. How long do they let folks stay single? Would Commander stabler's wife be assigned to a new commander or do they only assign the young girls? I know she said they assign the kids to someone else, but I wonder if she could remarry quickly and keep the kids.
This is also my prediction. At this point, I don't think she would adjust well.
I agree this theory seems plausible. It would be interesting to see her reunion with Luke. Like you, I don't think she'll adjust well. Maybe the story line will shift somewhat to her coping with being in Canada and Hannah still in Gilead, her efforts to get Hannah out, that kind of thing.
God please let something like this happen! It would move the show and June forward instrumentally!
Now that Commander Lawrence’s wife is dead he may sacrifice himself as part of the mission. Although him staying and working with June from Canada is an interesting idea too.
“With sorrow—for this Court, but more, for the many millions of American women who have today lost a fundamental constitutional protection—we dissent,”
I don’t see how Joseph could’ve known that June didn’t get help for Eleanor, but that was some look he gave her at the end.
I think he knows, too. Earlier in the episode he said something like "I should have checked on her" and June said "no! I should have checked on her. You can't blame yourself" (paraphrasing). She gave him a very pointed look and I think he saw through it. He looked at her for a long time when she said that, and then toward the end of the look his expression changed a bit - like something clicked.
Maybe he doesn't KNOW, but he suspects. I'm almost certain.
I think June made a poor choice. I get that she was nervous that Mrs. Lawrence was going to say something, but I think she's lucky that Commander Lawrence is still helping her at all. I thought one of the major reasons he was even participating in this plan was because it would get Mrs. Lawrence out of Gilead and allow her to take psychological medication again. If she's gone, what's his motivation for risking everything?
June reminded me of Walter White in Breaking Bad when he let Jesse's girlfriend die. I guess she didn't watch that show before Gilead came along, haha. Hopefully her story turns out with a happier ending...
What happened to Nick and Emily?! An update would be nice.
I can’t see June leaving Gilead. I think she’ll either be assigned to another house or Joseph will be “given” a new wife. Or both?
I don’t see how Joseph could’ve known that June didn’t get help for Eleanor, but that was some look he gave her at the end.
I don’t think he would be given a new one. In the Bible if you have a second spouse it is considered adultery. Or maybe that is just if divorce is involved because divorce isn’t recognized in the eyes of God? Isn’t that why June got made a handmaiden to begin with because she was her husbands second wife so she was an adulterous?
What happened to Nick and Emily?! An update would be nice.
I can’t see June leaving Gilead. I think she’ll either be assigned to another house or Joseph will be “given” a new wife. Or both?
I don’t see how Joseph could’ve known that June didn’t get help for Eleanor, but that was some look he gave her at the end.
I don’t think he would be given a new one. In the Bible if you have a second spouse it is considered adultery. Or maybe that is just if divorce is involved because divorce isn’t recognized in the eyes of God? Isn’t that why June got made a handmaiden to begin with because she was her husbands second wife so she was an adulterous?
In the Bible it’s adultery for a divorced person (specifically a divorced woman) to remarry but not a widow(er). And yes - June and Luke had an affair before he left his wife for her, so she’s an adulteress.
I think maybe Jospeh blames June for triggering Eleanor’s suicide by yelling at her when she wanted to go out and rescue children.