Also, lest someone else freak out about rescues because they’re thinking they’ll have doggie welfare dropping in unexpectedly to snoop around... Many rescues have this kind of clause so that they can save an animal from a BAD situation if they need to. There are people who take rescue animals and put them in awful situations. Sometimes it’s people with mental issues and savior complexes. Sometimes it’s awful sadistic people. The rescues I’ve dealt want to have a way out if they made a mistake.
In many cases, it’s highly unlikely that you will even hear from them again, because they’re busy and often stretched thin. And if you’re still worried about it, ask around for local rescue recommendations. No one is going to rec an organization that hassled them after adoption.
I will admit that when I got my cat from a rescue, I felt a little interrogated, because didn’t they realize that I was a responsible pet owner?! *petulant expression* But they didn’t know that for certain. So I put my delicate flower feelings aside because I accept that the organizations need to protect themselves and their charges.
Post by cattledogkisses on Oct 2, 2019 7:23:00 GMT -5
If you're serious about pet overpopulation, you can get involved in legislation at the local level as other posters have suggested, and you can commit to not supporting breeders in the future, especially unethical mills like the one you financially contributed to.
You won't even do that though, because convenience is more important to you than not supporting bad breeders, which is why no one in this thread is taking you seriously. Attitudes like yours are Exhibit A of why we have a pet overpopulation problem.
Post by foundmylazybum on Oct 2, 2019 7:31:34 GMT -5
So, you responded to the "bad actors" as you call them in the rescue community (who you didnt even really interact with)..you got pissed off at a few rescue policies for post placement home checks that might or might not happen.
So your response was..again. to purchase a mutt from a bad breeder, with the logic in mind that the dog was going to be "well bred" and a good family dog?
Look lady. You talk a lot and it's a distraction technique. I know I got the big picture correct so dont come in and correct the minor details.
Bottom line, which is really ironic but also really common is that you probably could have gotten the same dog from a shelter because, as the first article stated, doodles dont breed true. That means they dont breed true in all traits, from hair to body, to personality..so. you got this mutt and you believe. I'll say it again: you believe it's a fantastic dog because you went to this breeder..but its dumb mutt luck.
You. Didnt buy a doodle because you were soooooo touched by this WaPo article about a few rescues buying dogs and you wanted to stop the system. Stop. Just stop. It sounds like you have never even witnessed this and have never gone to even check out your local humane society but only rescues so let's just stop. You seem inexperienced in anything related to dog rescues and shelters.
13 years ago I bought a mini schnauzer from a pet store, bc I wanted a dog. I even knew where she probably came from and what I had contributed to. She was an amazing dog, I loved her every single day until she passed away and I'm sorry I bought her and contributed to such a bad thing.
I can hold both and keep moving forward.
Stop acting like you have done something so academic here. It's a dog you View as property. This is how you are coming off and it's just not authentic especially given you keep moving towards the small ends of the bell curve that didnt even affect you.
You know how you can find a good rescue? Here are some quick tips.
-Having dogs of all ages is a good start. In general, if a rescue is solely adopting out puppies, they *may* be one of the bad apples. -If you're interested in a puppy, ask about the mother and if they keep them together (if possible). A rescue that cares about the mom as much as the puppies is a good one. -Variety of breeds unless it's a breed specific rescue. Our rescue has everything from chihuahuas to beagles to hounds to pits to labs. Mostly mixes. -Look at their about us page. If they point out that they are saving dogs from high kill shelters or rehoming dogs, good chance they are not adding to the population. -Ask about their "return policy". If in their adoption agreement they have something in there that you must return the dog to them if something is to happen, chances are they want what is best for the dog and they will make sure that is true until the day the dog dies. -Vet and home checks ARE A GOOD THING. Both of these are not to be nosy but to make sure if you have/had animals that they were taken care of by a licensed vet and that they lived in a family home. When I do the home checks I am looking at how this dog will live and if there is anything I should point out as being dangerous (open trash cans, tissue boxes on tables, loose fence posts, slow closing storm door that a dog can run out, etc). We are there to HELP YOU with the adoption process. -Look at their finances. It's published ON OUR SITE how much of our donations/adoption fees go back to the animals (98.1%). This shows that they put the animals first and that they have a lot of volunteers (foster parents, desk people, interviewers, etc) that are willing to be part of an organization.
I'd like to state for the record, that our cat found us and considers us his property.
It hurts my heart that people consider pets "property" and not a loving part, irrevocable of their family. I am guessing that is the mindset of people that dump their pets for being old, sick, or inconvenient. Pets grieve when an owner dies or they get dumped when people move away. Jesus, a pet is not an accessory.
okay this thread is 9 pages long.....have you all covered the concept of 'hypoallergenic' dogs? I think its total nonsense but wondered if anyone has info. My MIL's dog is 'hypoallergenic' or whatever but i am still definitely allergic to it. i have no idea where she got the dog, what kind of breeder, etc.
There's no such thing. Just dogs that people are less allergic to, and it's based on the individual dog.
okay this thread is 9 pages long.....have you all covered the concept of 'hypoallergenic' dogs? I think its total nonsense but wondered if anyone has info. My MIL's dog is 'hypoallergenic' or whatever but i am still definitely allergic to it. i have no idea where she got the dog, what kind of breeder, etc.
There's no such thing. Just dogs that people are less allergic to, and it's based on the individual dog.
Thanks for responding, i deleted because i went back and read the thread and saw that the topic was about...something different.
The room where they keep the dog's food and occasionally put her in (when company is over, etc.) makes my eyes light up the second i walk in it and my MIL acts like I am the crazy one for pointing out that indeed I am still allergic to this dog.
I’m going to just repeat foundmylazybum - just admit that you don’t really give a fuck about pet overpopulation - you wanted what you wanted and you didn’t care that you were contributing to the problem. You still don’t care because you would “probably” not revisit the puppy mill you’ve already supported...but, I mean, if she’s got a cute puppy that you want again, then all bets are off.
Finally someone who can read. Yeah I would do it again if I wanted another dog, found the right one, and encountered the same ridiculous restrictive bullshit I did the first time I tried to go through rescues. The economic reality is that pets are property. I’d love to adopt one but that means if a rescue doesn’t want to play ball, I have the ability to purchase. But clearly, I don’t give a shit about overpopulation. That’s obviously why I paid to have my dog fixed and ...oh.
I am not being high minded with any of this. I hope more rescues move towards less restriction and open adoptions like in the Wapo article I just linked. In my opinion if you don’t accept the economic realities surrounding pet ownership, you must not really care about overpopulation either. If you did you might see that is part of the equation and start asking why more people aren’t adopting and how to remove those barriers, or question how it might be possible for a small number of rescues to operate on ethically and in a way that provides an economic incentive to bad breeders, guess what? You’re also part of the problem.
I'm going out on a limb here but my niece is a breeder. Of a specific breed. That she will not compromise. And that she has owned and worked with for pretty much her entire life. W/R/T breeding, she spends *months* going over bloodlines for traits that will strengthen her line rather than contaminate it. She can tell you more about genetics than most people I know, because she's serious about her breeding. All of her dogs that are not show quality are required to be spayed or neutered and cannot be bred. If the owner does not follow the contract regarding this, she can impose financial penalties or even recover the dog if it comes to that. If someone wants to rehome a dog, they are required to contact her first and return the dog to her so she can find it a new home. (She literally went through this just a couple months ago when a couple split; the mom got the kids and dad got the dogs. Mom moved into an apartment with a no-pets clause and dad was deploying so he was rehoming the dogs for free. My niece found out and was "Nuh-uh, that dog from my kennel comes back to me or you owe me money big time because *I* rehome my dogs. It's in the contract." She found a great home for her dog AND the one that wasn't hers as well.)
She started working with other breeders to learn how to do it right before she started her program. She has kept only her original dog because there's no way she'll ever get rid of her because they're a team, and two girls and one boy of top lines. The boyo is already a champion and working on Grand Champion, at only 20 months old; he should be in the top 100 of his breed by the end of the year - and she is not putting him out to stud despite the asks since he started winning as a puppy, because she feels he is not ready, AND she is not studding him except with approved females. She's not doing it for the money. It costs her A LOT to show her dogs, with travel, registration, housing, handler fees for the times she's not owner-handling (she sent him to TX with a handler for three months, for example) and who knows what else. Her girl is doing almost as well. In addition, she's showing three of her mentor's dogs, winning with them as well. Because she is cautious with her bloodlines, her breed is actually stronger (or as strong as possible) with regard to diminishing recessive traits and faults and susceptibility to illness, injury or other flaw. Right now she has exactly ZERO dogs available and no plans to breed any more any time soon because she's busy showing and trying to find the perfect dogs to breed with (which she has; she's currently showing him for her mentor and he's amazing.)
Now, this is a breed that is extremely popular and people will pay a premium for them She could have kept even a couple or a few of the dogs she had before and simply farmed those puppies out at a solid four figures apiece if she'd wanted, and made a killing doing it. People would pay for her dogs, and breeding "just a few to pay for the program" would be easy. But that's not what a *responsible* or ethical breeder does.
A little off topic, but there's a cool data project where you can see how your community or a specific shelter does on saving animals bestfriends.org/2025-goal Based on real data from shelters, nearly 733,000 cats and dogs killed in 2018. But the people who wanted doodles got them so I guess it's fine.