I guess I am not really seeing the big deal in all of this. They want more freedom and the ability to earn their own money and in order to do this they can no longer accept money from QEII. I feel like this makes sense as W+K's family takes on more of a role and H+M's roles will diminish. I'm reading articles where everyone is omgz, such upheaval! But I don't see where there will be much of a change??? It sounds like they will still be focused on charity work, although more of their own choosing. I don't get the impression that they are turning their backs on the family. I would imagine that they will still have a home at one of the royal residences if they so choose since Beatrice and Eugenie do (not sure if they pay rent?) I think Zara and Peter and their families live on the grounds of Gatcombe Park with Anne.
Was it ever verified whether or not QEII gave them York Cottage as a wedding gift?
I don’t follow the royals closely enough to fully understand all this - can someone explain why William/his team would be the ones behind stories being leaked? I assumed that they would find a united front to be more beneficial, plus whatever their differences I thought the brothers generally got along/respected each other, so this part of things surprised me
Post by foundmylazybum on Jan 9, 2020 16:14:55 GMT -5
Whatever they have planned, good for them.
Harry is obviously coming from a very specific type of family and he has repeatedly said that he recognizes the issues his wife has had within the family, the press etc.
I think it's pretty admirable to not just talk about how they want change but to make steps towards those changes and to do things to live the value of putting his immediate family first. Especially for him..who is entrenched in this lifestyle I think it's pretty incredible.
I don’t follow the royals closely enough to fully understand all this - can someone explain why William/his team would be the ones behind stories being leaked? I assumed that they would find a united front to be more beneficial, plus whatever their differences I thought the brothers generally got along/respected each other, so this part of things surprised me
William (and/or his people) throws his brother/Meghan under the bus regularly by leaking to the press to take the heat off himself. It’s pretty standard operating procedure among this family but I think Harry thought that would never happen. M/H also have a pending lawsuit against some of the tabloids and there are rumors/speculation that it’s going to end with some proof of who is leaking. Charles has always dumped his kids under the bus too to protect himself and the courtiers will always always ALWAYS dump anyone but the direct heir under the bus. I’d bet serious money in 20y you see similar things play out in the press (with the spares being dumped on extensively) to cover for anything George does. They did it with Andrew years ago. The main rumor is that William cheated on Kate, the press knows and he leaked stuff to the press about M/H to attempt to keep it under wraps. I have no idea if that’s true but William (and Charles and the queen) have been assholes about supporting M/H while the queen supports a pedophile but they can’t support M/H against vile racism and made up crap? It’s gross.
William and Kate have ties to certain reporters I guess and that’s why people think it’s them/KP behind some of it (like the leak about Meghan and Harry stepping back and moving to Canada).
Maybe it’s all bullshit but the leaking stories and throwing the spare to the wolves has been a thing for a long time so I tend to believe there’s some truth there because the courtiers only care about protecting the monarch and direct line.
guys someone on FB said it was awful because "now their kids won't have any chance to be king or queen" and I explained how FAR DOWN THE SUCCESSION LINE they are but they said "that doesn't matter!"
Anyone else find the whole "have their cake and eat it too" comments weird w/r/t wanting to continue to work with the Monarchy and their patronages?
It seems as though they genuinely care about the organizations they are responsible for, so why wouldn't they hope to be able to continue that work. How is that taking advantage of the good parts of the BRF when it is charity work? Maybe I don't fully understand what it means to have a patronage and maybe there are some benefits that I am not aware of? I always thought it was more of a charity-work type set up where they are essentially lending their star power to these organizations and don't really get anything in return for it.
I guess I just don't get why people are so affronted. They aren't trying to shirk all "duties", they just want the ability to do more beyond those things...and maybe also not have to put up with the shite from the British press with no recourse.
There are hundreds of charities who have been assigned a royal patron. A senior member of the royal family. It gives the charities a lot of status and visibility and helps them raise money. And royals are usually assigned to causes they care about.
Now, I guess you don't have to be a senior member of the royal family to have a patronage. Princess Michael of Kent (the nazi racist of the family... er, one of them) is the patron of a cheetah conservation charity because she apparently loves cheetahs?
But it's possible the ones that Meghan and Harry patronize have some kind of contract where they have a senior patron. If Meghan and Harry step away, depending on how far away we're talking, the charities themselves might want to distance themselves. It depends how this all plays out and what H&M's reputation is like when all of this is over. Maybe it will give them even more visibility, and they'll be an even bigger benefit to their charities. Who knows! I'm just saying it's not a given that they'll still be able to do that. And their "salary" from the Duchy of Cornwall is in exchange for doing exactly that. So if Charles says "no way" to their new plan then they'll have to either figure out some other way to support themselves, maybe by drawing a salary from something they set up like the Clinton Foundation to support other philanthropic efforts, or maybe with side work that will take away from the time they have for charities.
So basically they just want to be able to choose their own charities and control the media surrounding them. Which they would need to be independent of the grant, in order to do that. Not that they want to abandon the royal family. And the royal family was figuring it all out until the announcement was made, before they were able to get the specifics nailed down.
Post by amberlyrose on Jan 9, 2020 17:40:48 GMT -5
I wonder if Meghan watched the latest season of The Crown with everything Margaret went through and was just like.. "nope! we're out! not with my family!"
Post by turnipthebeet on Jan 9, 2020 17:53:14 GMT -5
Someday, hopefully, we will hear from them about the why they have made this decision. From what I’ve seen of Harry through the years, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he has been the one advocating for this and he knew that Meghan would be supportive (whereas a lot of other women in his social circles would convince him to stick with it). Between what happened to his mother and his partying, rebellious behavior through the years, this seems like a natural step.
It makes sense that this has been in talks for a while, but it seemed abrupt perhaps because of the media leaks. The leaving of Archie there with her friend and nanny had to be pre-planned, but it definitely makes it seem like they went on vacation there and were like um sorry not coming back. Also makes sense why they met with officials of Canada (to plan moving there perhaps).
Maybe I am too nice of a person to understand why everyone is leaking crap to the media about their own family. I mean Meghan's dad did, so I guess everyone else does too probably.
Princess Michael of Kent (the nazi racist of the family... er, one of them) is the patron of a cheetah conservation charity because she apparently loves cheetahs? .
Of course she does, they make such fantastic coats and shoes.
Those weeks in Canada must have been pure bliss for them. Obviously they were working the whole time (on getting the fuck out of Dodge) but both probably got to experience quite a bit of normalcy. Meghan and Harry bonded over their toxic families and are now each other’s support system. Archie (and any future Sussexes) should be proud. I mean, aren’t they doing taxpayers a service by demoting themselves? People should be ecstatic!
I ain’t mad about any of it. Well, I guess I’m mad that William couldn’t be better than what he is, but that’s the British monarchy for you.
I’ve never paid any attention the Royals until right now, but this all sounds like a clusterfuck. And now I’m googling everything there is to google and none of this British royalty nonsense makes any sense. Seems to me Harry and Meagan are smart to get out.
Post by turnipthebeet on Jan 9, 2020 23:01:01 GMT -5
For someone who barely follows royals, this situation really has me thinking.
@@ Having a kid of his own and seeing how his wife is being treated has probably shored up some pretty uncomfortable and repressed memories for Harry of how it was with Diana. I think that as much as he wants out and wants to protect Meghan, he has to want to prevent his kid from experiencing that at a tender age too.
As much as I love to think that Meghan has put her foot down, I think it’s equally if not more likely that Harry really is driving this with her support.
(Possibly continuing to project my H’s experiences with toxic relatives onto this situation)
Princess Michael of Kent (the nazi racist of the family... er, one of them) is the patron of a cheetah conservation charity because she apparently loves cheetahs? .
Of course she does, they make such fantastic coats and shoes.
She has also said that animals don’t have rights because they can’t pay taxes, hold bank accounts, or vote, so... yeah.
I guess I am not really seeing the big deal in all of this. They want more freedom and the ability to earn their own money and in order to do this they can no longer accept money from QEII. I feel like this makes sense as W+K's family takes on more of a role and H+M's roles will diminish. I'm reading articles where everyone is omgz, such upheaval! But I don't see where there will be much of a change??? It sounds like they will still be focused on charity work, although more of their own choosing. I don't get the impression that they are turning their backs on the family. I would imagine that they will still have a home at one of the royal residences if they so choose since Beatrice and Eugenie do (not sure if they pay rent?) I think Zara and Peter and their families live on the grounds of Gatcombe Park with Anne.
Was it ever verified whether or not QEII gave them York Cottage as a wedding gift?
They live in Frogmore cottage. The Queen (through the royal estate) paid for the maintenance part of the renovations because she is required to by law (rule?). Meghan and Harry paid for all of the design renovations and interiors themselves with their own money. I can’t imagine the Queen refusing then access to the house now. She can’t actually gift it to them because it’s own by the Crown, not the Queen personally.
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Daily Mail says Meghan has flown back to Canada while Harry stays in the U.K.
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Archie had been left in Canada with Jessica Mulroney while H&M went to London to announce all this.
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Whoa. That's pretty shocking to me that they left him there. I don't think she's ever left him for more than a day?
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Makes sense - why make a baby travel overseas to and from Canada in such a short time period. That sounds like hell on both parents and child. Plus, tin foil hat, there are the unknowns of craziness and using a child as leverage.
For someone who barely follows royals, this situation really has me thinking.
Having a kid of his own and seeing how his wife is being treated has probably shored up some pretty uncomfortable and repressed memories for Harry of how it was with Diana. I think that as much as he wants out and wants to protect Meghan, he has to want to prevent his kid from experiencing that at a tender age too.
As much as I love to think that Meghan has put her foot down, I think it’s equally if not more likely that Harry really is driving this with her support.
(Possibly continuing to project my H’s experiences with toxic relatives onto this situation)
Harry said that he’s very much reminded of the hell his mom went through thanks to the tabloids and he doesn’t want that for his wife and son. It was the interview where Meghan said she wasn’t doing well. I think the Royal Rota is very much the root of the rift. It must be unnerving to watch your brother - who lost his mother to unrelenting tabloids - embrace them now...and to use them to throw his own family under the bus.
There’s a lot going on here and I don’t normally follow any of this royal stuff so be gentle with me. Are William and Kate considered among the toxic family? That would bum me out because they seemed like nice and gracious people and I prefer my rosy vision of W/H being brotherly BFFs and M/K being all sisterly and real with each other.
Harry was always going to go his own way. I knew that from the time he was in Las Vegas, lol.
Meghan always struck me as vulnerable maybe because I know she has estranged asshole immediate family members like me so it all makes me extra sad.
FYI, The Daily Mail and their royal correspondent Rebecca English (quoted upthread) are probably the worst offenders when it comes to racism/unfair/untrue reporting WRT H&M. The big lawsuit they filed is against this outfit. Omid Scobie for Harpers Bazaar is generally regarded as the fairer and more responsible of the royal correspondents.
I'm not surprised they left Archie. Maybe he had a hell of a time with the time change on the way over (London to Vancouver is like 8 hours, right?) And if they knew they were going right back to Canada I would not have put myself or my kid through that hell for 2-3 days of time in London. Especially since he's certainly well loved with Jessica, the nanny, and probably Doria all there with him.
There’s a lot going on here and I don’t normally follow any of this royal stuff so be gentle with me. Are William and Kate considered among the toxic family? That would bum me out because they seemed like nice and gracious people and I prefer my rosy vision of W/H being brotherly BFFs and M/K being all sisterly and real with each other.
Harry was always going to go his own way. I knew that from the time he was in Las Vegas, lol.
Meghan always struck me as vulnerable maybe because I know she has estranged asshole immediate family members like me so it all makes me extra sad.
The general consensus is that William has a pretty entitled attitude and, just like his father, doesn't like it when someone else is more popular than he is. There are instances of him throwing Harry to the wolves to save himself that go back 10-15 years. All the reporting in their 20s about Harry smoking pot/partying/etc, William was there too but they let the press have photos of Harry falling out of clubs so they wouldn't print the ones of William.
Beyond that, last spring it was leaked that William had an affair with their neighbor at their country estate, and then a lot of negative stuff about H&M was leaked to distract from that news. And all of this vitriol against Meghan really hit a pace after their Oceana tour Fall 2018, which was hugely popular and for which they received a lot of praise. William supposedly was livid that they were so popular and well-received.
There’s a lot going on here and I don’t normally follow any of this royal stuff so be gentle with me. Are William and Kate considered among the toxic family? That would bum me out because they seemed like nice and gracious people and I prefer my rosy vision of W/H being brotherly BFFs and M/K being all sisterly and real with each other.
Harry was always going to go his own way. I knew that from the time he was in Las Vegas, lol.
Meghan always struck me as vulnerable maybe because I know she has estranged asshole immediate family members like me so it all makes me extra sad.
The general consensus is that William has a pretty entitled attitude and, just like his father, doesn't like it when someone else is more popular than he is. There are instances of him throwing Harry to the wolves to save himself that go back 10-15 years. All the reporting in their 20s about Harry smoking pot/partying/etc, William was there too but they let the press have photos of Harry falling out of clubs so they wouldn't print the ones of William.
Beyond that, last spring it was leaked that William had an affair with their neighbor at their country estate, and then a lot of negative stuff about H&M was leaked to distract from that news. And all of this vitriol against Meghan really hit a pace after their Oceana tour Fall 2018, which was hugely popular and for which they received a lot of praise. William supposedly was livid that they were so popular and well-received.
There's a lot of defending here for someone who sported a Nazi costume. If anything, Meghan is and has always been far too good for this imbecile.