There’s a lot going on here and I don’t normally follow any of this royal stuff so be gentle with me. Are William and Kate considered among the toxic family? That would bum me out because they seemed like nice and gracious people and I prefer my rosy vision of W/H being brotherly BFFs and M/K being all sisterly and real with each other.
Harry was always going to go his own way. I knew that from the time he was in Las Vegas, lol.
Meghan always struck me as vulnerable maybe because I know she has estranged asshole immediate family members like me so it all makes me extra sad.
I know I mentioned this in another thread, but the differences between Meghan's family life and Kate's family life really struck me when Meghan and Harry gave an interview when they were engaged. See, the story is that William loves the Middletons. Although they are RICH rich, they were, until William's marriage, a relatively under-the-radar, normal family. They have Christmas and other holidays together. They have a nice family house with room for everyone. He loves being with them and pretending he's part of something normal.
OTOH, in an interview, Harry said Meghan didn't grow up with much family, just her mom, and so now she was getting to marry into a real family or something, and she was exciting about that. And I was like... eeeeeek. Because there is nothing normal about the BRF.
It's like that exchange on this season of the Crown. "Watch out for your family." "They mean well." "No, they don't."
FYI, The Daily Mail and their royal correspondent Rebecca English (quoted upthread) are probably the worst offenders when it comes to racism/unfair/untrue reporting WRT H&M. The big lawsuit they filed is against this outfit. Omid Scobie for Harpers Bazaar is generally regarded as the fairer and more responsible of the royal correspondents.
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Ack. I was unaware of that. I thought her tweets were pretty matter-of-fact but I never looked for her behind that. Thanks for saying so, I’ll have to unfollow her.
I wonder if Meghan is at the point where she's considering whether or not the marriage will last if they didn't do something to change the dynamic. I have no doubt they are deeply in love, but there are sometimes external circumstances that still make that impossible to maintain. Thankfully it seems like Harry is supporting this 100%, and probably wants it even more than she does.
Post by foundmylazybum on Jan 10, 2020 11:44:33 GMT -5
It was said many posts ago, but I read today that a huge reason H&M released their statement and website early without consulting Charles and the Queen was bc the Sun was going to leak it.
Which is ironic bc H&M were about to split in part bc if leaks that it always appeard the crown was all tralala, who cares, it's not really an issue!
IT IS! I'm sort of sitting over here laughing that the crown is all pissed off and acting brand new that this happened.
OTOH, in an interview, Harry said Meghan didn't grow up with much family, just her mom, and so now she was getting to marry into a real family or something, and she was exciting about that. And I was like... eeeeeek. Because there is nothing normal about the BRF.
well, not normal, but maybe just a family who loves each other? Again, I was hoping that W and H are bros and that even Charles has a soul with some warmth in it when it came to family. But again, no clue about any of these people.
I wonder if Meghan is at the point where she's considering whether or not the marriage will last if they didn't do something to change the dynamic. I have no doubt they are deeply in love, but there are sometimes external circumstances that still make that impossible to maintain. Thankfully it seems like Harry is supporting this 100%, and probably wants it even more than she does.
There are stories floating around that a big part of all of this is Harry’s mental health and how dealing with the press has never been easy for him, but the past few years and not being able to get support for change from his family has exacerbated an already existing issue for him. I think Meghan is a good partner for Harry because she is able to see a way out - and help him still do good and use his status for things he cares about without being reliant on the old way. I think pre-Meghan Harry was resigned to his role and how it all works but marrying her changed things for a few reasons: 1) it’s one thing - and I know from personal experience - to accept treatment from family for yourself but when you have a spouse and a kid and see it happening to them, it’s like something snaps. I know I felt like I would never forgive myself if my child experienced the things I did and my whole attitude was basically NOPE when it seemed possible and I gave zero fucks about any fallout as long as I achieved protecting my family. 2) Meghan knows how celebrities work and how to brand yourself in a way that doesn’t need the royal family. They are enough of a phenomenon and have the contacts to set up a foundation and be just fine. They don’t need the royal Rota or the royal family to be heard. Harry probably saw some of that on his own but having a partner like Meghan probably helped fit those puzzle pieces together.
Whoa. That's pretty shocking to me that they left him there. I don't think she's ever left him for more than a day?
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Makes sense - why make a baby travel overseas to and from Canada in such a short time period. That sounds like hell on both parents and child. Plus, tin foil hat, there are the unknowns of craziness and using a child as leverage.
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I don’t follow much regarding the RF, but given their power and the desire to keep their image in tact (whatever that is), I would be afraid they’d say, fine H and M can leave but the baby stays here-his passport is revoked. Maybe that’s conspiracy theory like but the thought would cross my mind.
Makes sense - why make a baby travel overseas to and from Canada in such a short time period. That sounds like hell on both parents and child. Plus, tin foil hat, there are the unknowns of craziness and using a child as leverage.
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I don’t follow much regarding the RF, but given their power and the desire to keep their image in tact (whatever that is), I would be afraid they’d say, fine H and M can leave but the baby stays here-his passport is revoked. Maybe that’s conspiracy theory like but the thought would cross my mind.
Could they even do that though? Even if they (meaning the Royal Family) conceivably could revoke his British passport, wouldn't he be a dual citizen through Meghan?
I'm normally all about tinfoil hat theories but I seriously can't imagine that H&M would stand for that anyway.
I don’t follow much regarding the RF, but given their power and the desire to keep their image in tact (whatever that is), I would be afraid they’d say, fine H and M can leave but the baby stays here-his passport is revoked. Maybe that’s conspiracy theory like but the thought would cross my mind.
Could they even do that though? Even if they (meaning the Royal Family) conceivably could revoke his British passport, wouldn't he be a dual citizen through Meghan?
I'm normally all about tinfoil hat theories but I seriously can't imagine that H&M would stand for that anyway.
Post by icedcoffee on Jan 10, 2020 14:20:52 GMT -5
Ok--so like I said earlier I've pretty much never given a shit about the royal family, but now I'm obsessed so I've been doing some googling.
Meghan's family is full of snatches! What surprised me the most is that Princess Kate kinda seems not very nice. Why has everyone always been so obsessed with her? Also--I'd like to know more about this supposed affair.
IDK---I think we need a tell all book about the royal family. It seems to be crazy in that family.
There's a lot of defending here for someone who sported a Nazi costume. If anything, Meghan is and has always been far too good for this imbecile.
I had no idea what this about, so I searched it up. :/ wtf. ::crawls happily back under rock::
It was terrible what he did. He was 20, he should have known and done better.
He apologized, and beyond that, I believe he has lived his life in a way to show that he doesn't buy into the nazi belief system or any of that at all. I don't know if he supports any Jewish-related charities or whatnot, but he certainly supports a lot of organizations that point to him not being a white supremacist.
So, while he doesn't automatically get a pass, I do think his words and actions since then do show what kind of person he is, and he has done a lot of good, and used his position to uplift causes and people who deserve that level of visibility.
But, I wouldn't hold it against anyone if they don't feel like he should get any sort of pass if they were personally hurt by what he did.
I don’t follow much regarding the RF, but given their power and the desire to keep their image in tact (whatever that is), I would be afraid they’d say, fine H and M can leave but the baby stays here-his passport is revoked. Maybe that’s conspiracy theory like but the thought would cross my mind.
Could they even do that though? Even if they (meaning the Royal Family) conceivably could revoke his British passport, wouldn't he be a dual citizen through Meghan?
I'm normally all about tinfoil hat theories but I seriously can't imagine that H&M would stand for that anyway.
I remember when Diana was getting divorced she was concerned that they could take the kids away from her completely. Because William was a direct heir to the throne, the custody decision reverted to the BRF/ government rather than standard divorce custody rules.
Ok--so like I said earlier I've pretty much never given a shit about the royal family, but now I'm obsessed so I've been doing some googling.
Meghan's family is full of snatches! What surprised me the most is that Princess Kate kinda seems not very nice. Why has everyone always been so obsessed with her? Also--I'd like to know more about this supposed affair.
IDK---I think we need a tell all book about the royal family. It seems to be crazy in that family.
I'm not sure if this part is really fair. Kate has dealt with a lot of criticisms and not-so-nice press herself. Obviously not to the level of the racist stuff that Meghan has had to deal with, but still very intrusive. And in the past few years she has been dealing with her own pregnancy, young kids, rumors of affairs, etc. I don't like how there needs to be this Team Meghan vs Team Kate (not saying you're saying this, but a lot of the press seems to be pushing it.) Maybe they're not close as SILs, but I don't think that necessarily means they dislike or are mean to each other. They're both doing some great charity work and are bringing attention to many important causes.
Ok--so like I said earlier I've pretty much never given a shit about the royal family, but now I'm obsessed so I've been doing some googling.
Meghan's family is full of snatches! What surprised me the most is that Princess Kate kinda seems not very nice. Why has everyone always been so obsessed with her? Also--I'd like to know more about this supposed affair.
IDK---I think we need a tell all book about the royal family. It seems to be crazy in that family.
I'm not sure if this part is really fair. Kate has dealt with a lot of criticisms and not-so-nice press herself. Obviously not to the level of the racist stuff that Meghan has had to deal with, but still very intrusive. And in the past few years she has been dealing with her own pregnancy, young kids, rumors of affairs, etc. I don't like how there needs to be this Team Meghan vs Team Kate (not saying you're saying this, but a lot of the press seems to be pushing it.) Maybe they're not close as SILs, but I don't think that necessarily means they dislike or are mean to each other. They're both doing some great charity work and are bringing attention to many important causes.
Plus Kate seems to be the one pushing the mental health initiatives and showing herself to be friendly with M&H. Until they were married, I don't think the BRF actually had any main mental health patronages.
It was said many posts ago, but I read today that a huge reason H&M released their statement and website early without consulting Charles and the Queen was bc the Sun was going to leak it.
Which is ironic bc H&M were about to split in part bc if leaks that it always appeard the crown was all tralala, who cares, it's not really an issue!
IT IS! I'm sort of sitting over here laughing that the crown is all pissed off and acting brand new that this happened.
Get a timeline Liz. It's been reported on lol.
I thought this made sense too but fwiw that reporter says no, he contacted them about it on December 28 and gave them 10 days to respond before posting.
It was said many posts ago, but I read today that a huge reason H&M released their statement and website early without consulting Charles and the Queen was bc the Sun was going to leak it.
Which is ironic bc H&M were about to split in part bc if leaks that it always appeard the crown was all tralala, who cares, it's not really an issue!
IT IS! I'm sort of sitting over here laughing that the crown is all pissed off and acting brand new that this happened.
Get a timeline Liz. It's been reported on lol.
I thought this made sense too but fwiw that reporter says no, he contacted them about it on December 28 and gave them 10 days to respond before posting.
Both of this things can be true. The news could have been leaked, the Sussexes given ten days, and then they released on the tenth day to get out ahead of it.
Why are some people (not referring to specific people on here, just generally based on stuff I’ve seen online) so convinced that William actually had an affair? I know there were rumors about it, but that doesn’t make them true. Are there any credible sources on this? (Unlike, say, Charles and Diana‘s affairs, which were definitely out in the open and well-known).
Regardless, I can totally see the royal family wanting to do whatever was needed to distract the press and take their attention off of those rumors, even if they truly were just rumors. They will always protect the direct heir to the throne first, even at the expense of others in the family. So I don’t fault Harry for being sick of that if that’s what happened.
I think because of the way it was handled. There have been rumors before (about William specifically) and the royal family basically doesn’t/didn’t react or do anything but William went nuclear really fast this time which heightened the interest in the whole thing. It was weird and abnormal so I think people felt like there was more there there.
I have no opinion on whether he had an affair or not, but I do think it’s clear he’s leaked stuff about his brother, has ties to the tabloids that have been the worst and is willing to follow the age old cycle of chucking the spare to the wolves to save his own ass. I also believe the rumors that he doesn’t like how popular M/H are and more than that, I think it bugs him that the popularity they enjoy means they can’t be controlled via the usual methods and have a path out from under his eventual thumb. And a path out in general.
I thought this made sense too but fwiw that reporter says no, he contacted them about it on December 28 and gave them 10 days to respond before posting.
Both of this things can be true. The news could have been leaked, the Sussexes given ten days, and then they released on the tenth day to get out ahead of it.
I read the article linked and Dan Wooten and The Sun sound like assholes. Beyond whether they leaked this story, more broadly speaking, a major complaint Harry and Meghan have had is with the press. This has 100% happened in the recent past and is consistent. And here Again the press is acting the part and being turds.
Its inappropriatene for the Royal family to act fake shocked like "wait wat! We never heard or noticed your issue with this going all the way back to your mother's untimely death Harry!" 😮🙄
On a related note, the Marchioness of Cholmondeley attended church with Kate and Wills on Sunday, when I guess they were still at Anmer Hall (are they still at Anmer Hall?).
For those unfamiliar, the Marchioness of Cholmondeley (Rose) is their neighbor at their country estate in Norfolk. Her husband is 24 years older than she is, and from this crazy old, rich, powerful family. She's the woman Wills is accused of having an affair with.
The rumor is that Rose and Kate had a falling out (they serve on a board together in addition to being friends), but according to the Daily Fail, "they have considered legal action but, because none of the reports have been able to offer any evidence about what the so-called dispute is about, they have chosen to ignore it." Yeah. Right. Uh huh. No idea what the feud could be about.