The Bills were my team growing up (I haven’t followed super closely the last 10 years) so all my people are in shock.
hmm.
There is a whole mountain of speculation in here. But everything I’ve read says that cardiac arrest is not the same thing as a heart attack and they’re using the words interchangeably when no one has said he had a heart attack.
In other words I wouldn’t put much stock in this
ETA: I do wholeheartedly agree that medical personnel at NFL games are outstanding and he was in the best possible hands given the circumstances. I don’t want to diminish that part of the article
The Bills were my team growing up (I haven’t followed super closely the last 10 years) so all my people are in shock.
hmm.
There is a whole mountain of speculation in here. But everything I’ve read says that cardiac arrest is not the same thing as a heart attack and they’re using the words interchangeably when no one has said he had a heart attack.
In other words I wouldn’t put much stock in this
ETA: I do wholeheartedly agree that medical personnel at NFL games are outstanding and he was in the best possible hands given the circumstances. I don’t want to diminish that part of the article
These are not interchangeable and from what we can speculate given his age, size, and the circumstances, he likely had commotio cordis.
There is a whole mountain of speculation in here. But everything I’ve read says that cardiac arrest is not the same thing as a heart attack and they’re using the words interchangeably when no one has said he had a heart attack.
In other words I wouldn’t put much stock in this
ETA: I do wholeheartedly agree that medical personnel at NFL games are outstanding and he was in the best possible hands given the circumstances. I don’t want to diminish that part of the article
These are not interchangeable and from what we can speculate given his age, size, and the circumstances, he likely had commotio cordis.
After Covid, though, can we really assume that? Within his age group, the likelihood of cardiac arrest has gone up significantly after covid infection. I'm not speculating on the cause, but I think there's some areas we need to start including covid into as holding a piece of the puzzle.
sarahswim , how did you learn when the game was officially postponed? TV showed people leaving and said nothing had been said over the PA. Did your cell phones work ok? (I have found carriers overburdened during big group things like this.)
There was a message on the Jumbotron initially simply saying the game had been temporarily suspended (after the ambulance left and teams were off the field). We were there with our 13 year old. When the guy behind us started screaming that he’d paid money for this game and they’d better come back out and play, my H grabbed us and we left. There was no conscionable way to cheer for a game if they’d decided to play anyway but we decided to leave before the official announcement. I’m assuming there was a second Jumbotron message conveying the cancellation. My phone worked for texting but trying to load Twitter/ESPN for info was really slow. Multiple people texted me that it was officially cancelled after we were outside the stadium itself.
Jesus what a heartless dickhead. I'm sorry you and your son had to hear that. Thankfully most of the other stories I heard from both sides of the fanbase were positive and that people were supporting each other during the incident.
The Bills were my team growing up (I haven’t followed super closely the last 10 years) so all my people are in shock.
hmm.
There is a whole mountain of speculation in here. But everything I’ve read says that cardiac arrest is not the same thing as a heart attack and they’re using the words interchangeably when no one has said he had a heart attack.
In other words I wouldn’t put much stock in this
ETA: I do wholeheartedly agree that medical personnel at NFL games are outstanding and he was in the best possible hands given the circumstances. I don’t want to diminish that part of the article
I know PP already confirmed they are different but a heart attack is caused by a blockage of the coronary arteries causing the blood circulation to your heart (outside/muscle) to be blocked. Depending of how much blockage, parts of the heart muscle can die. Damaged/dead heart muscle can be ineffective in circulating blood to your body and may lead to cardiac arrest.
Cardiac arrest is generally caused by a heart arrhythmia (abormal rhythm)- ventricular tachycardia is one such rhythm- where the chambers of the heart are not contracting as they should and are not pushing out blood to supply the rest of the body (felt as a pulse). There are various causes of arrhythmias that can cause cardiac arrest and it sounds like commotio cordis is the likely source.
These are not interchangeable and from what we can speculate given his age, size, and the circumstances, he likely had commotio cordis.
After Covid, though, can we really assume that? Within his age group, the likelihood of cardiac arrest has gone up significantly after covid infection. I'm not speculating on the cause, but I think there's some areas we need to start including covid into as holding a piece of the puzzle.
I'm going to preface this with I know absolutely *nothing* about the game of football. I've never seen a game. I don't know how it's played. I did watch the clip of the tackle.
There is going to be a lot that we don't know about covid sequela. However, there are several differentials that immediately come to mind when you have someone with sudden cardiac arrest and in the absence of additional information, all would need to be considered. Some of those are less likely but not impossible in younger people.
Young people with smaller chest cavities in particular will be more susceptible to blunt cardiac injury because of their increased compliance which allows for greater force transmission. If it occurs at just the right time in the electrical signal, it can trigger a fatal arrhythmia. Commotio cordis happens most frequently from sports but also can occur from motor vehicle accidents, falls, assault. I've seen it several times as an ICU RN, prior to covid.
These are not interchangeable and from what we can speculate given his age, size, and the circumstances, he likely had commotio cordis.
After Covid, though, can we really assume that? Within his age group, the likelihood of cardiac arrest has gone up significantly after covid infection. I'm not speculating on the cause, but I think there's some areas we need to start including covid into as holding a piece of the puzzle.
I think there is specific speculation since commotio cordis is pretty specific to getting hitting in the chest and then going in to vfib which leads to cardiac arrest. I’ve only read what’s in this thread but it sounds like he wasn’t just running and collapsed.
Interestingly enough, whenever I think of commotio cordis I think of baseball, it’s rare to begin with, but I think it most commonly occurs in baseball and it occurring in football isn’t the top sport it occurs in.
But yes I agree we definitely have a long way to go to determine more information about covid and it’s affects.
After Covid, though, can we really assume that? Within his age group, the likelihood of cardiac arrest has gone up significantly after covid infection. I'm not speculating on the cause, but I think there's some areas we need to start including covid into as holding a piece of the puzzle.
I'm going to preface this with I know absolutely *nothing* about the game of football. I've never seen a game. I don't know how it's played. I did watch the clip of the tackle.
There is going to be a lot that we don't know about covid sequela. However, there are several differentials that immediately come to mind when you have someone with sudden cardiac arrest and in the absence of additional information, all would need to be considered. Some of those are less likely but not impossible in younger people.
Young people with smaller chest cavities in particular will be more susceptible to blunt cardiac injury because of their increased compliance which allows for greater force transmission. If it occurs at just the right time in the electrical signal, it can trigger a fatal arrhythmia. Commotio cordis happens most frequently from sports but also can occur from motor vehicle accidents, falls, assault. I've seen it several times as an ICU RN, prior to covid.
Plus, there have always been stories of young athletes in peak condition dropping dead during basketball games, races, etc. Way before COVID. Usually a heart issue. There was even an athlete who died during one of the marathon Olympic Trials at the peak of fitness www.wthr.com/article/sports/runner-ryan-shay-collapses-dies-during-olympic-marathon-trials/531-2210f321-1ccc-4004-94ec-df79085ff5f1 My family was lucky they caught my brother's heart issue (basically an overtrained heart, his resting heart rate was like 20s) before anything happened. He was in such shape ,running 100 training miles a week as part of marathon training (his fastest was 2 hours and 40 minutes for the marathon). He fainted once and his doctor decided to do some tests. He got a pacemaker at 24.
After Covid, though, can we really assume that? Within his age group, the likelihood of cardiac arrest has gone up significantly after covid infection. I'm not speculating on the cause, but I think there's some areas we need to start including covid into as holding a piece of the puzzle.
I'm going to preface this with I know absolutely *nothing* about the game of football. I've never seen a game. I don't know how it's played. I did watch the clip of the tackle.
There is going to be a lot that we don't know about covid sequela. However, there are several differentials that immediately come to mind when you have someone with sudden cardiac arrest and in the absence of additional information, all would need to be considered. Some of those are less likely but not impossible in younger people.
Young people with smaller chest cavities in particular will be more susceptible to blunt cardiac injury because of their increased compliance which allows for greater force transmission. If it occurs at just the right time in the electrical signal, it can trigger a fatal arrhythmia. Commotio cordis happens most frequently from sports but also can occur from motor vehicle accidents, falls, assault. I've seen it several times as an ICU RN, prior to covid.
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There are several instances where this kind of thing happens to a young baseball player who is hit in the chest with a pitch just the right way in the right spot. These are young kids, so we aren’t taking 90 mph fastballs. It’s just the timing and the angle. DS was hit in the chest with a pitch last year and fell to the ground. It was terrifying and he was awake and responsive the entire time. I can’t imagine what the mom is going through right now.
My aunt died from commotio cordis several years ago. She was kicked in the chest by a horse, but it was several minutes until she was found and even with a defibrillator on site, she was never resuscitated. I don't remember learning the technical name for it at the time, but I called my dad last night after the injury (he is a lifelong Bills fan) and that was his first thought. Blunt force trauma to the chest, getting hit in the wrong way at the wrong time.
I sincerely hope that having immediate medical attention is the difference for Damar and that he will make a recovery in the coming weeks.
Now they seem to be re clarifying that he was only resuscitated once, not twice.
Also, no real details, but his friend has told someone (a reporter)? that the doctors are seeing good signs - no specifics, but I'm hopeful!
Yes, Coley Harvey is a reporter for ESPN. And he spoke to Jordon Rooney, who is Damar's marketing manager and the spokesperson for the family. Rooney is the one who also clarified that Damar only needed to be resuscitated once.
I truly hope this young man recovers, and like most people, I welcome hopeful news. But I really hope the media isn't hounding his family for info. The idea of that makes my stomach turn.
And of course it's time for the team to return its focus to the game and prepare for the Pats. SMH. Fucking barbaric.
This has become so voyeuristic (not meaning here, just the general coverage). I wish the uncle hadn’t said anything. Sounds like he’s proned, maybe went into ARDS. 😞
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This has become so voyeuristic (not meaning here, just the general coverage). I wish the uncle hadn’t said anything. Sounds like he’s proned, maybe went into ARDS. 😞
Voyeuristic is exactly the word I was needing yesterday. The amount of people needing answers and wanting to be the first to give information is insane. I also wish “friends” would stop going on media tours.
Bengals fan here, and it makes me so mad that people are harassing Tee Higgins (the WR that collided with Hamlin), blaming him for a dirty hit (it wasn't - he led with his shoulder and it wasn't malicious). I read that he was inconsolable in the locker room and it just hurts my heart that he's getting death threats
This has become so voyeuristic (not meaning here, just the general coverage). I wish the uncle hadn’t said anything. Sounds like he’s proned, maybe went into ARDS. 😞
Voyeuristic is exactly the word I was needing yesterday. The amount of people needing answers and wanting to be the first to give information is insane. I also wish “friends” would stop going on media tours.
A headline on CNN says something about "What you need to know."
Nobody reading CNN "needs" to know anything about what's going on with his health right now. It's horrible.
Bengals fan here, and it makes me so mad that people are harassing Tee Higgins (the WR that collided with Hamlin), blaming him for a dirty hit (it wasn't - he led with his shoulder and it wasn't malicious). I read that he was inconsolable in the locker room and it just hurts my heart that he's getting death threats
Bengals fan here, and it makes me so mad that people are harassing Tee Higgins (the WR that collided with Hamlin), blaming him for a dirty hit (it wasn't - he led with his shoulder and it wasn't malicious). I read that he was inconsolable in the locker room and it just hurts my heart that he's getting death threats
There was definitely nothing dirty about it. I keep thinking of Tee. I didn't hear he was getting death threats. That is awful. Nobody did anything wrong; there is no need to blame anyone for anything. This whole incident is unfortunate and was very scary.
I was crying watching the whole thing. I am heartbroken for everyone involved.
If he survives, it would be great to see the league promote CPR and AED training. Not right away obviously but a campaign in the future would probably do some good. What an awful situation.
Voyeuristic is exactly the word I was needing yesterday. The amount of people needing answers and wanting to be the first to give information is insane. I also wish “friends” would stop going on media tours.
A headline on CNN says something about "What you need to know."
Nobody reading CNN "needs" to know anything about what's going on with his health right now. It's horrible.
I don't need to know, but will admit I am curious and I do keep looking for updates on him. I want good news for him. The people that are getting angry over not knowing anything piss me off. We don't have a right to his medical privacy, even if we do want to know how he is doing.
Also people firing back at the NFL for how long it took them to cancel the game, and why they really cancelled it.. was it because the players refused to play? Did the NFL really say they had 5 minutes to warm up and get back on the field? All of that shit doesn't matter as much as this young man's life. His life is what is most important.
If he survives, it would be great to see the league promote CPR and AED training. Not right away obviously but a campaign in the future would probably do some good. What an awful situation.
It's really such a vital thing to know. I'm so glad I have CPR/AED training. I've never had to use it and hope I never will, but it really can be the difference between life and death for someone. I always hope that I could keep my wits about myself if it came down to actually having to do this for someone.
I keep hoping to hear that he's on the upswing and going to survive.
Post by jennybee1018 on Jan 4, 2023 14:46:51 GMT -5
It is definitely voyeuristic - I would hope reporters/press/etc aren't hounding the family/doctors for answers. Of course the family is aware that the world is watching, but they still deserve privacy and control of information release. Also, I think this could be a long process, so there may be days where there are no updates/no change.
I also heard about Tee Higgins and the death threats. That is horrific. What is wrong with people?! I cannot imagine how he is feeling, and I did read somewhere that he's been at the hospital every night with Damar. I have no doubt he feels a lot of guilt even though it was not his fault and this was so rare.
A headline on CNN says something about "What you need to know."
Nobody reading CNN "needs" to know anything about what's going on with his health right now. It's horrible.
I don't need to know, but will admit I am curious and I do keep looking for updates on him. I want good news for him. The people that are getting angry over not knowing anything piss me off. We don't have a right to his medical privacy, even if we do want to know how he is doing.
Also people firing back at the NFL for how long it took them to cancel the game, and why they really cancelled it.. was it because the players refused to play? Did the NFL really say they had 5 minutes to warm up and get back on the field? All of that shit doesn't matter as much as this young man's life. His life is what is most important.
Same. I don’t follow sports and had never even heard of this guy. But I can get him and his family out of my mind. They are going through probably the worst moment of their lives.
Every time I open this thread I’m hoping for a good update.
Post by fluffycookie on Jan 4, 2023 15:38:10 GMT -5
I am not a huge fan of football, but MH watches it and had the game on. I feel awful for the families, including Tee Wiggins and his family. It was a clean hit. He could probably make that same hit 50 more times and it wouldn't result in this.
The Bills released this official statement this morning, for anyone looking for an update. Thank goodness it's good news and hopefully it continues in this direction.
Bengals fan here, and it makes me so mad that people are harassing Tee Higgins (the WR that collided with Hamlin), blaming him for a dirty hit (it wasn't - he led with his shoulder and it wasn't malicious). I read that he was inconsolable in the locker room and it just hurts my heart that he's getting death threats
There was definitely nothing dirty about it. I keep thinking of Tee. I didn't hear he was getting death threats. That is awful. Nobody did anything wrong; there is no need to blame anyone for anything. This whole incident is unfortunate and was very scary.
I was crying watching the whole thing. I am heartbroken for everyone involved.
Disagree with the bolded. The entire NFL industry is build upon putting these players in danger. Everyone who watches it and supports the NFL is complicit. I will never understand how these young men keep getting injured and with all the knowledge we have now on CTE that people keep supporting the NFL.
There was definitely nothing dirty about it. I keep thinking of Tee. I didn't hear he was getting death threats. That is awful. Nobody did anything wrong; there is no need to blame anyone for anything. This whole incident is unfortunate and was very scary.
I was crying watching the whole thing. I am heartbroken for everyone involved.
Disagree with the bolded. The entire NFL industry is build upon putting these players in danger. Everyone who watches it and supports the NFL is complicit. I will never understand how these young men keep getting injured and with all the knowledge we have now on CTE that people keep supporting the NFL.