I miss when shirts were all long. I don't just mean I wish there were more things that weren't crop tops, but why do so many shirts stop at the top of my pants now? I feel so awkward with my whole crotch showing and it's not a flattering cut for my stomach.
Things that stop at the top of pants for other people are crop tops for me. I'm long waisted. "tunic" style tops don't consistently cover my butt- but they do at least go past the top of my pants. No one wants to see my navel.
This isn't analogous to the teacher not covering her ankles for the sake of a conservative student who could take offense. This is more analogous to the teacher telling students in the syllabus that there was a "I steal your hat or head covering" day coming up. Then later ripping the hats off of all students in the room after giving a warning and acknowledging that some of the "hats" in question might actually be yarmulkes and hijabs.
This is not analogous to that at all. Ripping off people’s head coverings is assault. Using relevant course material is not.
At any rate, this argument piece is very detailed and not paywalled.
When the head of the religious studies department came to her defense in an open letter in the campus newspaper, the letter got removed. That doesn’t suggest an academically free and open campus.
This wasn’t some caricatured art conjured by the Western imagination and being perpetuated by an ignorant American: “the images—devotional paintings of Muhammad produced by Muslim artists in the 14th and 16th centuries, respectively.”
Yes - that would be battery so the analogy isn't great.
My point is that the student in question objected because she felt that it was something done to her. Not just someone else's bad behavior near her. Much like when people hear a racial slur quoted, they can feel like it is an attack on them, not merely someone saying something offensive near them. She felt the act of viewing such an image was "forced" upon her (if you think she truly missed the warnings or felt she was not empowered to heed them).
I'm going to stop here.
I'm not comfortable with multiple non-Muslim posters repeatedly challenging the few Muslim posters on what is or isn't offensive to Muslims. I am also not muslim so I am equally culpable. I'm stepping out and just listening to them.
Are you mixing really well into the batter itself? Or mixing it in with the dry ingredients before you add them to the wet ones? Even if the recipe doesn't call for it, you'll want your baking soda and salt mixed into the flour first - and with something that would break up any small lumps. (I usually us a spoon to press and break up any lumps).
I think we all agree that we shouldn't cover our ankles or eyes because some undefined many declare it blasphemy.
This isn't analogous to the teacher not covering her ankles for the sake of a conservative student who could take offense. This is more analogous to the teacher telling students in the syllabus that there was a "I steal your hat or head covering" day coming up. Then later ripping the hats off of all students in the room after giving a warning and acknowledging that some of the "hats" in question might actually be yarmulkes and hijabs.
I think he absolutely should have told you. That doesn't mean he is necessarily lying about planning to work in Orlando.
Doesn't anyone here know people who regularly accompany their family on trips, still work during work hours and just spend their off hours enjoying the destination? This is incredibly common among people I know. The family will head to Tahoe for weeks at a time during school breaks. The working parent(s) will work during the day while a nanny/other parent/ski team/camp entertains the kids. My brother and his wife will do this when visiting her family in Southern California. My brother will work while the rest hit up Disneyland (she'll take a day of leave but he doesn't). His wife might work while he takes the kids to the beach (he works east coast hours so finishes with plenty of daylight left).
I'd say the opposite is more often true - people taking/trying to take approved "vacation" time from work, but they end up skipping at least part of the vacation to do work.
Would your dog fit in there if you redesigned/tiled it to be a doggie shower stall like the ones pictured?
If so, you could put a mesh or slotted shelf above it (something that can withstand getting wet) where you store a literal tub/bin/bucket. upside down and empty to dry when not in use, but you can flip it over and fill with water from the shower head when you need to let something soak or rinse paint brushes in it. Something with a pour spout on one side that you could tip towards the tile back wall when emptying it so the water runs down. When it isn't too heavy you just empty it below.
As a bonus, the mesh shelf can act as a drying rack for odd things and maybe even somewhere you can hang dry clothes (if the mesh/slots accommodate a hanger top)
Oooo. I have a better version of this. Still a "shower below, tub up top" vision. But instead of a shelf you rest the tub on, something with slots on the side that holds a washing bin/tub you can slide in a and out. (Like an Elfa system bin, but solid). Still using the shower head to fill it. But when you wash the dog, you take it out completely so you have space to work and it's still positioned at a good height when in use.
Yeah. He fits there, but if you need to get in there to clean him at all, it would be really uncomfortable squeeze. How far is the sink from the door outside?
Would your dog fit in there if you redesigned/tiled it to be a doggie shower stall like the ones pictured?
If so, you could put a mesh or slotted shelf above it (something that can withstand getting wet) where you store a literal tub/bin/bucket. upside down and empty to dry when not in use, but you can flip it over and fill with water from the shower head when you need to let something soak or rinse paint brushes in it. Something with a pour spout on one side that you could tip towards the tile back wall when emptying it so the water runs down. When it isn't too heavy you just empty it below.
As a bonus, the mesh shelf can act as a drying rack for odd things and maybe even somewhere you can hang dry clothes (if the mesh/slots accommodate a hanger top)
Good point. However, if a teacher were to announce a lesson plan that included a discussion on the existence of santa, would the question from parents be - "are we accommodating believers sufficiently by allowing them to opt out" or would it be " what is the point of this discussion and why are we violating this socially held norm in the first place". Does that make sense?
Leaving Santa aside, my point is that we allow a lot of "mass delusions" when it comes to religion. Why are some allowed and some not?
I think that's the tricky part of this though, right? How do we balance religious beliefs with academic freedom? If we're talking about a seminal piece that influences and defines Persian art going forward is it more of a disservice to show it or not show it? I certainly don't know the answer.
As I said and linked above, the work is seminal but isn't just a bunch of images of Muhammed. Choosing that particular image was a decision. There are images of Jacob, Jonah, contemporaneous people, landscapes, etc.
It's somewhat analogous to choosing which passage to include when citing a written work. Do you pick the one with the slur or not? The one with the slur could easily be what gets the most attention but it isn't necessarily a better example than a different passage.
Here, choosing a religious image from the work without including Muhammed, or even multiple non offensive images, would probably cover almost all of what she wanted to discuss. And then she could still verbally explain that there are also images including Muhammed. Explain that restrictions on images of Muhammed differ across time and across specific religious and cultural groups. And interested students can look on their own.
Including the image was a decision to step into a controversy rather than discuss a controversy.
After reading the article, I looked up a number of images from the source document. Yes, the Compendium of Chronincles is important and influential, but there are many, many images from it that do not include Muhammed. In fact, the wikipedia article on it contains a number of such images: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jami%27_al-tawarikh.
So even if, as one supporter said, it is too important a work to leave off the syllabus, you absolutely can include it without that image.
Just because something is famous in part for it's most controversial image doesn't mean you need that image to get the greater import from the work.
Y'all are making me feel so much better about my Girl Scout cookie ineptitude! Thank you! LOL
I was our Troop's cookie manager for several years (pre and during covid) and quickly learned that you can make it complicated if you want to, but you can also keep it simple. Our troop kept it simple and I'm grateful for that!
Maybe it's different by council - but here, no matter how simple you make it, there are at least three different platforms that you have to check and update but are also partially controlled by others, that do not coordinate nor agree. Some values are included on one, but not another. Some merge multiple values without clarifying. The pricing and rules get changed arbitrarily every season. It's a cluster.Literally the only way to keep it simple is to sell one variety of cookie, only in person, cash sales. The second you go beyond that to credit cards or another variety or accepting a donation, the system fucks it up.
Welcome to Girl Scouts and cookies! I have been trying to figure out how to fix this first for my kid, then when I became a troop leader. If you aren't low-key annoyed at the Girl Scout cookies, you probably aren't involved. lol.
My DD switched from girl scouts to boy scouts this year and I am positively giddy about not having to do cookies this year.
I feel stuck - Personally, I'm not taking my kids to an organization with a deep history of homophobia (Even though it isn't present in our local troops) but I'm so over Girl Scouts.
My kid is doing Girl Scouts for the first time and cookie sales just started. I'm a little annoyed because the communication around this has been VERY minimal and there are more nuances than I had expected. I think she is the only new one in the the troop so the leaders are maybe forgetting we've never done this. But even info like dates was lacking which not just new folks need. I'm giving grace because I know the leaders are volunteers so I just keep asking my questions on the FB group but I'm lowkey annoyed. My kid is really enjoying the troop so that reminds me to not get too annoyed.
We're heading out of town for a long weekend and I'm equal parts looking forward to it and dreading it.
Welcome to Girl Scouts and cookies! I have been trying to figure out how to fix this first for my kid, then when I became a troop leader. If you aren't low-key annoyed at the Girl Scout cookies, you probably aren't involved. lol.
I skip most of the personal anecdote @ content but will read stuff that is actually CEP in nature. It's not painful for me, it's just not something I have any interest in. I like having a place where that isn't a focus and can get frustrated when we end up with threads that get derailed with (often unnecessary) @ content.
Same here. I'm not quite sure how to vote because I do skip altogether the @randoms and @covid threads, but will read kid-related CEP threads until they turn into personal anecdote time.
I had intended the third choice to cover that - but with some flexibility. Instead I guess I was just vague. lol.
I would also think about how that space is going to feel from inside the office and how it will affect the light/look in the office.
However you use it, will be a tertiary space in your home while the office (assuming you do some WFH) is a primary space. One of the purposes it will serve is being decoration/wall art/lighting for the office. Design it with that angle in mind and pay attention to aesthetics. I'd avoid anything really big (except possibly something like a low chaise or low coffee table).
I'd love a flex space that we could use anytime we were doing something that needed some elbow room. DD was practicing her choreography yesterday and I was wishing we had 6' x 6' of open floor for her. Alas, with 4 people in a poorly laid out 1200 sqft house, we need to rearrange things if the kids want to do anything more than jumping jacks. (And even those have to be carefully aligned).
I completely understand and support why we do it and agree about personal triggers. I was just curious about numbers.
I was in an argument with a fragile white cis straight man (friend of a friend) who thinks any kind of self regulating for offensive content is "against freedom of speech" - so a stereotypical asshole who I don't personally know and should have known better than to engage with on Facebook.
It got me thinking about how our community has managed to incorporate and use a very valuable, novel courtesy symbol. Hence the poll.
This is going to sound very simplistic, but I think we're able to do it by (largely) not being assholes. For the most part I think most posters on this board ae nice, caring people who respect others and that's what we're doing by using the symbol. I think it also helps that people often know one another's stores and why certain topics can be triggering. And then there are people who are assholes and either don't care who they offend or get a kick out of it. I think because we are largely a group of the former, rather than the latter is why I've felt comfortable being a member of this community for such a long time.
True. I did put in that last option for any lurker who really wanted to be heard. No one has taken me up on it yet.
topic avoidance is probably very common on this board and every board, and the @ or TW tag is a small gesture that can offer immense kindness to someone who’s been in a dark place.
I completely understand and support why we do it and agree about personal triggers. I was just curious about numbers.
I was in an argument with a fragile white cis straight man (friend of a friend) who thinks any kind of self regulating for offensive content is "against freedom of speech" - so a stereotypical asshole who I don't personally know and should have known better than to engage with on Facebook.
It got me thinking about how our community has managed to incorporate and use a very valuable, novel courtesy symbol. Hence the poll.
Just curious. Even if no one says "yes" (perhaps because they skipped the post completely because of the symbol) We know it has value for a number of our posters. Low percentages in the poll wouldn't reflect its importance.
(This post is brought to you by my frustration arguing with someone elsewhere on the internet who is being deliberately obtuse and offensive. I should know better. So instead of arguing with idiots, I thought I would come here where people aren't trying to be assholes and ask a question about our own courtesy symbol.)
So everyone who doesn't support hormone blockers or affirming surgery is going to get right on this and lobby to have states ban it, right? Need to protect the children.
There were surprisingly few boats washed up along the shore this week. Big storms usually knock anchor out boats off their moorings and they get blown around the bay until they hit rocks somewhere. Often right along the shore we pass driving in the mornings.
We went to four stores today looking for invitations for DS’ birthday party. The first store had one pack that was “ok” but we decided to keep looking and never found any others, even at party stores where they had all the other party paraphernalia. Are printed invites not a thing anymore?
If you haven't given up, try target. They had some (not a big selection, but a few) the last time I was there. Look in all the assorted party sections (you know how there is a kid area, and then a generic area, and then that other part that is sort of party, sort of little gifts, sort of little office toys for adults? That is where I saw a few.). It might be easiest to search online and have them get them ready for you at pick up if you like them.
I wonder about tone. When I first read the article, my thought was that the professor gave notice multiple times, opportunity to object and time to leave.
But as I thought about it, tone of those warnings really matter. She said she announced it was coming up. However, it doesn't sound like she specifically set aside time for anyone to leave the room or invited people to do so if they wished. Then I imagine sitting in the middle of one of those college lecture halls, with everything out taking notes, suddenly looking at everything I have to pack up, twenty people I would have to disturb and climb over between me and the end of the row, to then walk up or down the flight of steps out of the room. And suddenly a few minutes warning doesn't sound like an invitation to leave but more like an incoming threat.
It might be good, bad, or just different, but parenting is a state of flux. So lean into the good moments. Those memories and the good will they create help carry you through the rocky moments.
Sometimes the good and the bad can happen within the space of an hour and be about the same thing when they are tweens (Mom you are the worst! Mom you are the best!)
On Twitter someone said they would swear in tonight but they do not have the votes for the rules package so that would be at a later time. Can’t remember who said it though.
. I dont know about Twitter, but MSNBC just said the same thing. I feel bad for the people who initially had their kids with them on Tuesday to witness being sworn in. Now that it’s 1 AM I presume the families aren’t there.
I see a number of yawning kids. I'm sure many others already left.