This happens often, though typically not in the winter (planes need to be lighter for takeoff in the summer). This small-plane regional airline just messed up the order in which they booted people--it had nothing to do with his personal weight, I would guess.
If it happened I feel like for booby it would be less about her safety and more concerned of her employer dig into what she had said it would reflect negativly on her. And then she may be disciplined at work. If my concern was for my job/HR record then no I wouldn't forward a work email outside of work for fear that while I might get a warning for the first offence that would be seen as a second and make things worse for me.
So I guess I see the delete request "I've been conctacted off the board" as more a cover your ass. Since she figured she could go over the admins heads to proboards directly there was no point to risking forwarding the email.
If it exists. Like Jenny I can fairly easily believe either case.
What boss discusses this kind of thing via email versus in person?
I think I even gave her my IRL email to send it to (because the PMs are deleted I can only see inbound PMs that came to my email). I usually do when I'm asking for something like this because I feel like it makes people more comfortable to know something about who they are sending to.
Would you have accepted screen shots with names scratched out?
Yes but she never asked. What I would have wanted to see is a bit of content with a time/date stamp showing it was received before we said no and asked for proof.
I think I even gave her my IRL email to send it to (because the PMs are deleted I can only see inbound PMs that came to my email). I usually do when I'm asking for something like this because I feel like it makes people more comfortable to know something about who they are sending to.
Look, I don't think it's weird at all not to want to send a copy (or a screenshot or a cell pic) of a work email or an email that was sent to your work. Maybe I'm having a harder time with this because I don't work for a private company, but I'm pretty sure I'd say no way to the request for a copy of the email. I don't blame admins for asking for proof, but I don't think the fact booby couldn't produce "the receipts" is a very persuasive argument for the idea that she made the whole thing up.
Really though? It wouldn't have given me any information that the person harassing her at work didn't already have. And I'm a pretty known quantity here - lots of people have met me IRL, know my real name, etc, including friends of booby's. I don't understand the risk of sharing that at all relative to what was already happening.
To my knowledge there was no group conspiracy regarding this thread. I admit I am wondering why Booby couldn't provide a snapshot or forward of the email. Maybe it was just sent to her boss? In which case she had no copy?
Her PM said "the only evidence I have is an email my boss sent me yesterday, which I'm not comfortable with forwarding"
I think they were probably all talking about it in their group, and she decided to post and they all rolled with it. Especially because within a couple of posts miso drops the email bomb, having already told booby that the thread was happening and getting "permission" to do so.
ETA: I went back and looked at the time stamps. So about 3 hours between the OP and miso's post, so not quite as quick as I thought. I do think the post was discussed and about how to proceed, specifically because flex implied that something shady was happening with the admins/mods that nothing would ever be discussed.
I was not implying any shadiness on the part of the admins. I was told via PM when I asked about the bag-o-dicks that it wasn't anything to be shared on "here". And a PP received the same kind of reply that it wasn't a topic to be discussed.
To be clear, no one is trying to prevent discussion.
But there's this prevailing sense (based on my tags and PMs) that people here feel entitled to answers. And as EllieArroway said earlier, there's a good chance we'll never have them in a conclusive way we can share here. I wish that weren't the case but it is. And the repeated requests are grating, frankly. Discuss all you want, just quit tagging and PMing us like we are holding out on you. We're not.
A couple of days later (I believe, I can't go back to see the timeline since my PMs from booby are now gone, but I think it was like Saturday to Monday) booby sent y4m a message that someone had contacted her work, and she wanted to delete everything.
Since my PMs come to my email I actually do have all of the time stamps
Booby PMed EllieArroway only for a deletion in the thick of everything Saturday night (no mention of work). Then the PM saying she needed a deletion because of an email to work came to me only on Tuesday.
I just want to also add that Booby said she found out about the issue at her work through an email from her boss. All I asked her to do was forward me that email and she would not. I was not asking for any sort of detailed receipts here at all. I don't want to create barriers to people getting their personal info taken down but the timing here was extremely suspicious. I also offered to do more (e.g. IP addresses, etc.) if she could provide more info from her IT, but obviously wanted that to be on her terms.
If she was more afraid to forward the email from her boss to me than she was of whoever was harassing her at work, then I could only conclude she wasn't very concerned about the work thing and felt this could wait until the ban was lifted or (as it turned out) she convinced proboards to act. As I think is covered upthread, both Smo and Kirkette were openly sharing personal info with me so that we could help them and so we did.
I am still catching up on this thread, but no I didn't delete any interaction with booby. I didn't delete anything of booby's. She asked for a deletion while we had the no deletion policy. I said I wouldn't do it while that prohibition was in place without proof that something had come to her work. She said she wouldn't provide that so I said I wouldn't act.
Then eventually everything of hers was deleted (I presume through proboards somehow). Everything may have included PMs, but that was proboards doing that, not me.
Welcome to the show.
In this thread we've learned that a lot of people desperately miss booby. That apparently she (and not Smo or Kirkette) may have been the real target of the attacks a few weeks ago. That you and I are shady as fuck. And it was insinuated that Kirkette was the one who contacted booby's work.
Oh and Toledo stopped in for a chat, but then deleted all of her posts.
I'm just gonna lay it all out here - definitely oversharing but here goes.
Before the bag of dicks ever happened, Kirkette had shared a list of people she felt were targeting her. I believe she was already working to gather the posts that she needed to make her case (should they be necessary).
Then Smo contacted us about the bag of dicks. She sent pictures & the tracking info from the package and we started trying to piece together when it had been ordered and going through our logs to see if we could find anything.
Later (the next day I believe) Smo posted her thread on CEP, and within minutes - literally minutes - two of the people from Kirkette's earlier list started quietly deleting all of their incriminating posts. They were the reason that the deletion ban was put in place.
At some point after we put the ban in place, booby sent me a PM asking to delete all of her posts, and I let her know that we would as soon as we could.
A couple of days later (I believe, I can't go back to see the timeline since my PMs from booby are now gone, but I think it was like Saturday to Monday) booby sent y4m a message that someone had contacted her work, and she wanted to delete everything.
y4m forwarded booby's PM to me (in email) & said this: "Whew boy. Where are we gonna go with this one?
We would have mutiny if we did this. But I can also imagine she's actually being harassed given the shit storm, and it's not like she's been proven guilty in a court of law.
Ask for the receipts? Have her send one of us proof that this is happening? SMO met that standard before we helped."
I responded:
"Do Smo/Kirkette have copies of the threads they need at this point?
We've always deleted any time someone asked, so I would lean that way. But I don't want to remove anything that Smo needs for an investigation.
Let's start by asking to see proof and see where that goes.
There is no right answer here. I see ML is eating their own today. No matter what we say/do they will be pissed."
So y4m replied to booby asking for a screenshot or something, and booby responded that she couldn't/wouldn't (not sure which) provide any proof.
Then Kirkette PMed us to say that they had everything that they needed so we could start deleting again. y4m goes to delete booby's shit and it's gone, and, as I have already shown, that's how we found out that booby apparently requested PB to delete for her.
I am still catching up on this thread, but no I didn't delete any interaction with booby. I didn't delete anything of booby's. She asked for a deletion while we had the no deletion policy. I said I wouldn't do it while that prohibition was in place without proof that something had come to her work. She said she wouldn't provide that so I said I wouldn't act.
Then eventually everything of hers was deleted (I presume through proboards somehow). Everything may have included PMs, but that was proboards doing that, not me.
I assure you, we are not sitting on some juicy bit of info thinking "I just wish someone would ask so we could share this!" If and when there is info we feel is appropriate to share, we will share it. No amount of asking will change that equation.
It would be great if I could stop getting a bunch of tags and PMs daily about it going forward.
Because I am a total nerd, I bought some ph test strips to play with this. La croix is somewhere near orange juice in acidity (Diet Coke is much worse). The way I usually make my sodastream (5 farts) is between.
Because I am a total nerd, I bought some ph test strips to play with this. La croix is somewhere near orange juice in acidity (Diet Coke is much worse). The way I usually make my sodastream (5 farts) is between.
So you are telling me the La Croix is still better then the alternative of Diet Coke. Because it is one or the other.
My company's sales reward trip this year is in Costa Rica. In their infinite pandering to 20-something sales dudes and their arm candy wives, they are throwing a white party evening event. I need something to wear. Pear-shaped, size 12/14. A v-neck maxi would be my first choice but I can't seem to find a beach-appropriate one.
If you have suggestions for my plus-sized husband I would be very grateful.
Because I am a total nerd, I bought some ph test strips to play with this. La croix is somewhere near orange juice in acidity (Diet Coke is much worse). The way I usually make my sodastream (5 farts) is between.