Hugs to you mp and everyone else who is hurting. Jen was the real deal - authentic and kind, and I loved following your adventures in Scotland. It really felt like she was hitting her stride. Thank you for being such an amazing friend to her.
If she was already in a group, she'll need to go to her profile, click the Edit Profile button, go to the Settings tab and scroll down to the Display Group option and set it there. Unless you remove her from all groups then add her into the Global Moderator first, she'll have to do this as there's no other way for you to do it for her.
I know she's just doing this for attention, but it still cracks me up. What type of authoritative body does she think is going to show up here and lay down the law just because she hit the report button?
I'm not asking anything except for a harassment thread be unpinned
And I am telling you it's not going to be unpinned. You should consider finding some other internet people to play with.
I still show up when called (DMed) like Beetlejuice. But for this case, Dick Move is the law. I can do a full board wide ban or nothing (the one board bans are a fancy EllieArroway skill I don't possess). I couldn't find HIH if my life depended on it.
So basically, Dick Move I am at your service on this one.
Because I can't remember, is Ellie able to IP ban?
Both Ellie and I can IP ban. What she can do that I can't (likely due to my personal incompetence) is ban on a single board while allowing that user to access other boards (like we have done for some posters on CEP)
Just as a FYI, I've seen the report and will be ignoring it. The statement of facts does not equal harassment in my opinion. In fact, when GBCN started, our only real rules in regards to deleting, banning was mostly for spammers. I can link to why we don't ban/delete for anything else if need be.
If people want to change the rules, it's a possibility, but to be honest, I don't think the admins are around anymore, and I can't IP ban.
In fact, I'm not sure most of the global mods are around either, and I could use some help with approving new posters and reports.
I still show up when called (DMed) like Beetlejuice. But for this case, Dick Move is the law. I can do a full board wide ban or nothing (the one board bans are a fancy EllieArroway skill I don't possess). I couldn't find HIH if my life depended on it.
So basically, Dick Move I am at your service on this one.
I have something called chronic idiopathic urticaria that presents like this. I took daily Zyrtec and Zantac (until Zantac was recalled). Zyrtec and Pepcid is also a common combination, sometimes twice a day. The antacids work by blocking histamine receptors in the digestive system.
In my case I searched for years for a root cause, but I’ve never found one. My hives are triggered by heat, changes in body temperature, and physical touch (pressure, bra straps and waistbands, etc) and stress plays a role too. Scratching is a form of physical touch too, so while it feels good in the moment it also perpetuates the cycle. Steroids can sometimes be used to break that cycle but they aren’t a long term solution.
Not really, no. If there is a group consensus that they want CoverGirl banned from the board, I can ask the global mods. But that would only affect this board, she could still post on other GBCN boards.
But really, I recommend just blocking her.
Our global moderation here tends to be very hands off, but some boards (like CEP) choose to have stricter rules and more active moderation and you're welcome to do that at a board level in this case if you'd like.
The zoo is AMAZING and free. There are no better baseball fans. Lions choice!! Blueberry hill! Pi pizza! The hill / toasted ravioli Ted Drewes of course!
We were the tenants in this situation and it was awful. The house was a weird layout and didn’t sell for well over two months with several showings a week. I work from home, we had a dog, and it was incredibly disruptive for us. The realtor had zero respect for me or my boundaries—to the point that we said a certain time wasn’t convenient because I was leading a conference call, and she just gave away the key box code and people barged in anyway.
Given my personal experience, I’d do whatever I could to not inflict this on a tenant. I’m still really bitter that they thought it was ok to simultaneously collect rent from us and use the property for their own purposes.
Whoa this is blowing my mind. I have no ability at all to imagine visually. If I picture like a family member, it's basically a series of words - brown short hair, bangs, hazel eyes, etc. - not any sort of visual image. I had no idea that wasn't normal.
There’s been a lot of discussion on pilot forums that the difference may have been just having the third set of hands (and third brain). By all accounts, the cockpit in this situation is extremely loud and distracting—its a busy phase of flight anyway and the issue sets off conflicting audio and tactile alerts, some of which may conflict. Fighting the nose down motion takes two hands and serious physical strength, and at least in a takeoff phase, if you don’t catch it quickly you don’t have much altitude to recover.
For anyone else morbidly fascinated by this (which may just be me) - this piece from the NYT *from before the EA crash* does an incredible job of breaking down the MCAS system, why it was there, and what impact it likely had on the Lion Air flight based on the data (even more relevant now that regulators seem to be admitting that the EA data available so far looks awfully similar).
I just discovered it, and it would have saved me hours of reading pilot forums...
She is surprised at this because they are only a fraction of the fleet? I don't follow.
She meant in some cases they are a smaller number in the fleet, so they would be able to operate while grounding them. Not saying it will not cause issues, but that was her point.
Was that meant to say she was surprised they were *not* grounding the whole fleet given how small it is proportionally?
And I read other pilots, in the US, submitted reports about the nose tipping suddenly after engaging the autopilot after taking off, but were able to recover and turning the autopilot off. So, to me, the risk is higher or at least very much real.
the reason this happens with this plane is because in order to reduce fuel consumption (competing with an Airbus that is similar but was getting better fuel mileage) they shifted the wings either back or forward, but this can cause the nose to dip. So, they put that program in to correct it, but then never tell the pilots. the last part is what gets me so, so, so angry. because this could be looked at as pilot error, but they have been set up to fail if they are not informed and then trained in what to do should it happen.
There are accounts like this, but all the ones I've seen come after the Lion Air crash, when people were thinking about this issue - unexplained nose down before Lion Air and the explanation would be most telling, I think.
Also my understanding is that the MCAS nose down specifically requires that Autopilot is OFF, not ON. That's part of what makes this operation so strange and out of the norm for pilots. As you mentioned, several of these reports happened when AP was on - which means they wouldn't have been the same issue as Lion Air... at least if everything is working the way it is designed to (which i guess is an if) and if the pilots making the reports are accurate in their descriptions.
You touch on this in your post, but basically the reason this happened is Boeing needed to make a fuel efficient competitor to Airbus, so they put a more efficient (and larger) engine on an existing approved 737 frame. What is nice about that, is you don't have to totally redesign the plane ($$$ for design, approvals, testing, etc.) and you can also sell it to airlines like Southwest as "you already have all your pilots certified on this plane - they can just go to a 2 hour training and be set, as opposed to going through a whole new certification like it's a new plane."
The problem is that bigger engine sits in a different spot on the wing, which creates a potential to tip up dangerously at certain parts of flight. But instead of reworking the aerodynamics and having a new plane, new approvals, new training, etc. they just wrote some software to automatically correct the tip, thus saving all that money and time, and preserving the "this is an easy migration for your pilots" pitch.
Yeah, the info on the flight site I checked was outdated. I did see a follow up that the vast majority of the SW Max 8 routes are in the Western U.S. (which makes sense since they are probably heavily weighted towards serving those areas).
If I recall correctly the max 8 is supposed to be their Hawaii planes which would make sense for them to be on the west coast.
Southwest has 34 Max 8s according to the response I got from their Twitter team today. There are currently no plans to ground them.
We're planning on visiting my parents in NorCal next month (we always fly Southwest) but now I think I'd rather drive instead of fly even though it'll be a hassle. I'm not at all a nervous flyer usually but this has me concerned.
Southwest has something like 750+ planes, of which 34 are Max 8. AA has over 1000 planes, about 25 of which are Max 8. United has 800+ planes, of which 14 are Max 9 - so chances of being assigned one of these planes are very small at all of these airlines. I count 40 or 50 of them in the air right now over the US - and they aren't just dropping out of the sky.
What happened in Lion Air (and speculatively maybe EA too) is a single sensor went bad and gave false information that the plane was angled too high, which causes the MCAS system to (pretty aggressively) nose the plane down. The planes actually have two of these sensors, but the system apparently just uses one of them (assigned at takeoff) to tie to this system (which seems like a terrible design to me and is probably what this required Boeing software fix will address)
From what I understand, AA and SWA (and possibly united too - I don't know) are now ordering planes with an upgrade that gives the pilots information about what both sensors are doing. That means on these planes even if this were to happen, the pilots would be easily able to see that their sensors are in disagreement and quickly conclude what problem is happening and use the steps to overcome it. I wish these airlines would come out and confirm that all their planes in operation allow for both AOA sensors to be read from the cockpit because that change alone goes a long way in giving pilots the information they need to quickly address the issue.
Damn, this does not look good for the 737 Max 8s. Boeing, worldwide airlines: do the right thing and ground them until the problem is either fixed or ruled out! I am glad to see China and others headed that way.
I'm flying United in a week and a half or so, and they don't have any Max 8s, but they do have Max 9s. I'm on 757 and 787s, so it doesn't affect my travels, but do the Max 9s have the same issues?
From the coverage, I think United has PR folks working hard to keep the news organizations focused on the MAX-8 only, making this a Southwest and AA problem in the US.
But from a design standpoint, all the 737-MAX planes have this larger and more efficient engine, which has slightly different wing placement and thus requires this MCAS software aid in balancing and prevent stall. It is safe to assume the MAX-9 has the same software and design, and thus the same issue (United has maybe 15 of them in their fleet).
I also think at this point all MAX pilots are well aware of the problem and the override steps - but I thought that before this weekend too.
As of November, Southwest had a plan to modify the AOA sensors on their MAXs to give the pilots more information in these situations. Not sure how far they've gotten with retrofitting their fleet, but I'd feel better about flying SWA's planes than any others given they immediately took this action.
My H says the Max 8 has this system that runs in the background that overrides pilots’ actions. If the plane thinks you’re tipped too far up, it automatically tips you down (so on ascent, if the system thinks they were pitched too high, it pitched them downward, causing a crash). I am oversimplifying it, but if this is true, why on earth would Boeing have built it so pilots can’t override??
This is my understanding as well. There’s a sensor that senses angle toward the ground that can take corrective actions that essentially put the plane in a nosedive that is very difficult to overcome if the sensor reads incorrectly. Pilots weren’t proactively trained about how the sensor worked and how to overcome it until after the Lion Air crash. In theory pilots flying 737 max should be very familiar now given what happened with that flight—but these two situations look very similar given pilots in this crash reported an issue maintaining speed and to return to the airport shortly after departure.
There are not very many 737 Max’s flying right now (~200) - to lose two that close together in very similar crashes is troubling.
I don’t have the skill to ban from single boards like EllieArroway. I did click some buttons that look like they may enact a temporary ban across all boards so hopefully that works for now.