I think that the way that a parent raises their children has a large impact on how they turn out as adults. I don't think that I will repress my children, but I will teach them right and wrong.
So the school is setting itself up for a lawsuit it cannot win?
Just from a brief glance at the law...
If I were a really strident lawyer for the school I'd say it doesn't apply. It's a law that covers employment, housing, and places of public accommodations.
There are a ton of anti-discrimination laws out there. They cover employment, housing, places of public accommodation, and EDUCATION.
The only way for the kid to be successful under this law is to claim that a school is a place of public accommodation, which it may well be in the common parlance - - - but we have lots of education discrimination laws that are separate and distinct from educational discrimination laws. If the legislature wanted to make this law apply to schools, they could have done that. They didn't.
Ergo, doesn't apply to schools.
Na, na, na, na, na.
So if this goes to court, it could go either way? Too bad. Either way, I think the school is setting itself up for a costly suit over something rather insignificant.
I think that the way that a parent raises their children has a large impact on how they turn out as adults. I don't think that I will repress my children, but I will teach them right and wrong.
You told me you were not born in 1987 - now you have.
In our previous conversation? Or today? The 87 was not in my name to represent my year of birth.
I asked you several months ago whether 87 reflected your birth year - you said no - today you said yes. Whether it is there as your siggy because it is in fact your birth year was not the question - and you still haven't answered today what it signifies if it doesn *not* signify your birth year.
Can we stop acting as if she wants to permanently alter her body or hormones?
She currently self identifies as female. So what? Maybe she won't in a few years. Maybe she will. Using the bathroom where girls use the bathroom does not change anything about who she is or who she will be as a person.
Also hard side eye over comparing this to a mental illness.
Harder side eye to the school.
I would not be okay with my daughter using the same bathroom as this child. Boy parts belong in the boy's bathroom, not in the girl's bathroom.
I am a lurker and yes I know you are a long time troll, but for fucks sake stop being so dense!
Maybe someone already made this point but I can't get over that this child can publicly dress and be interacted with all day as a girl, but when it comes to the only PRIVATE place in the school, she's banned. That makes no sense to me. Not that she shouldn't be allowed to dress like a girl. Just that they'd allow it except in a bathroom stall.
In our previous conversation? Or today? The 87 was not in my name to represent my year of birth.
I asked you several months ago whether 87 reflected your birth year - you said no - today you said yes. Whether it is there as your siggy because it is in fact your birth year was not the question - and you still haven't answered today what it signifies if it doesn *not* signify your birth year.
It signifies my jersey number from when I played soccer. I answered on page 4, I believe.
Maybe someone already made this point but I can't get over that this child can publicly dress and be interacted with all day as a girl, but when it comes to the only PRIVATE place in the school, she's banned. That makes no sense to me. Not that she shouldn't be allowed to dress like a girl. Just that they'd allow it except in a bathroom stall.
So if they were going to do this the parents should have just registered her as a girl to start with. If she dress and looks like a girl no one would have questioned it.
I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but Soozy has said previously that she's in her early 20s with no kids. I don't see anything contradictory here. Yet.
Maybe someone already made this point but I can't get over that this child can publicly dress and be interacted with all day as a girl, but when it comes to the only PRIVATE place in the school, she's banned. That makes no sense to me. Not that she shouldn't be allowed to dress like a girl. Just that they'd allow it except in a bathroom stall.
So if they were going to do this the parents should have just registered her as a girl to start with. If she dress and looks like a girl no one would have questioned it.
Which is what was going on until someone outed her.
Maybe someone already made this point but I can't get over that this child can publicly dress and be interacted with all day as a girl, but when it comes to the only PRIVATE place in the school, she's banned. That makes no sense to me. Not that she shouldn't be allowed to dress like a girl. Just that they'd allow it except in a bathroom stall.
So if they were going to do this the parents should have just registered her as a girl to start with. If she dress and looks like a girl no one would have questioned it.
she wasn't enrolled in this school after being dropped from a space ship. She was already in the school as a boy and the parents, supposedly with the aid of the school, made the transition to her identifying as a girl. Everyone knew her as a boy and then a girl. I also think it's a bit naive to say no one would have known if the transition had been made elsewhere. She's 6. Not 46.
So if they were going to do this the parents should have just registered her as a girl to start with. If she dress and looks like a girl no one would have questioned it.
she wasn't enrolled in this school after being dropped from a space ship. She was already in the school as a boy and the parents, supposedly with the aid of the school, made the transition to her identifying as a girl. Everyone knew her as a boy and then a girl. I also think it's a bit naive to say no one would have known if the transition had been made elsewhere. She's 6. Not 46.
Yeah, at age 6, the teacher at least should be clued into what's going on. For emergency or medical reasons. At that age, it's not out of the realm of possibility that a child will accidentally pee her pants, or have an accident that requires, at the very least, changing clothes, and then, well, yeah, the teacher should be prepared for that, and likely the school nurse. Not to mention if the child is unconscious or there's some kind of medical emergency and the parents haven't arrived yet.
Plus, there could be other ways the child could be outed, and it's best the school know about the situation - as a well to help the other children and families deal with it. NOT as a way to discriminate against the girl.
Can we stop acting as if she wants to permanently alter her body or hormones?
She currently self identifies as female. So what? Maybe she won't in a few years. Maybe she will. Using the bathroom where girls use the bathroom does not change anything about who she is or who she will be as a person.
Also hard side eye over comparing this to a mental illness.
Harder side eye to the school.
I would not be okay with my daughter using the same bathroom as this child. Boy parts belong in the boy's bathroom, not in the girl's bathroom.
Oh FFS. So does that mean your daughter never uses a unisex restroom? 'Cause boy parts were in there ya know. I can only imagine that like most school restrooms, these restrooms have individual stalls, so it's not like any of the girls are going to see her boy parts.
Post by UMaineTeach on Mar 8, 2013 16:57:45 GMT -5
I had to skim and have more to say, I've got a meeting - but I'll start with
raise your hand if the kid using the teacher bathroom makes you feel more gross than her using the girls' bathroom. I would prefer not to share a bathroom with students.
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This is ridiculous, she is in every other way a little girl, as a parent I'd be more concerned with explaining why the girl in DD's class is using the boys bathroom than a "boy" using a stall in the girls bathroom where DD isn't going t see anything.
I would not be okay with my daughter using the same bathroom as this child. Boy parts belong in the boy's bathroom, not in the girl's bathroom.
Oh FFS. So does that mean your daughter never uses a unisex restroom? 'Cause boy parts were in there ya know. I can only imagine that like most school restrooms, these restrooms have individual stalls, so it's not like any of the girls are going to see her boy parts.
Well, I don't have a daughter, but unisex bathroom is fine, as long as it is a one person bathroom.
This is ridiculous, she is in every other way a little girl, as a parent I'd be more concerned with explaining why the girl in DD's class is using the boys bathroom than a "boy" using a stall in the girls bathroom where DD isn't going t see anything.
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.
How is this child a girl? The child might dress like a girl, but the child is a boy.
This is ridiculous, she is in every other way a little girl, as a parent I'd be more concerned with explaining why the girl in DD's class is using the boys bathroom than a "boy" using a stall in the girls bathroom where DD isn't going t see anything.
Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.
How is this child a girl? The child might dress like a girl, but the child is a boy.
If she's a girl to the class (girl name/clothes , etc.) as far as my daughter knows she's a girl, I really don't want to have to explain trans gender to my 6 yr old because the school won't just let her use the bathroom that she is comfortable in.
How is this child a girl? The child might dress like a girl, but the child is a boy.
If she's a girl to the class (girl name/clothes , etc.) as far as my daughter knows she's a girl, I really don't want to have to explain trans gender to my 6 yr old because the school won't just let her use the bathroom that she is comfortable in.
Why don't you want to explain trans gender people to your 6 year old?