I work in a grocery store. We have a sample lady that comes in every weekend to demo new products. She gets there about 9 or 10 in the morning and leaves at 5 or 6 at night. I just feel that she should be leaving it for the customers to use and not keep it occupied for 8-9 hours.
And your solution is for sample lady to park farther away?
Handicapped spots are for the handicapped. If she is handicapped, she has just as much a right to be there as any handicapped customer.
I know it sounds awful. I have gotten several customer complaints about it though because they all say she could park on the side of the building where there is lots of parking and it adds 10 feet to her walk. My boss has thought about calling her boss and reporting it since there have been so many complaints.
And your solution is for sample lady to park farther away?
Handicapped spots are for the handicapped. If she is handicapped, she has just as much a right to be there as any handicapped customer.
I know it sounds awful. I have gotten several customer complaints about it though because they all say she could park on the side of the building where there is lots of parking and it adds 10 feet to her walk. My boss has thought about calling her boss and reporting it since there have been so many complaints.
If those customers get to the spot before her, they can park in it. Or they can park on the side of the building if it's only adding 10 feet to walk.
It's her plate. She can park in any handicapped spot she chooses.
Post by Miss Phryne Fisher on Jul 10, 2013 5:28:22 GMT -5
Handicapped stalls are handicapped accessible, not reserved for handicapped. If it is open, use it. If there is a person in a wheelchair waiting, let them use it.
Around here SO many handicapped stalls have the baby changing station in them. I do not like this at all.
I hate this handicap stall debate so much. I'm so sorry, but it is not illegal or inconsiderate to use a handicap stall if you are not disabled. A very high percentage of public stalls have the changing table in there. Do you mean to tell me people who are not disabled should be using the floor to change their kid? Only disabled people are allowed to change their children on a table? Come on. The parking is one thing, but a handicap stall is just designed so a wheelchair can fit, it does not mean only those who need wheelchair access are allowed in there.
I hate this handicap stall debate so much. I'm so sorry, but it is not illegal or inconsiderate to use a handicap stall if you are not disabled. A very high percentage of public stalls have the changing table in there. Do you mean to tell me people who are not disabled should be using the floor to change their kid? Only disabled people are allowed to change their children on a table? Come on. The parking is one thing, but a handicap stall is just designed so a wheelchair can fit, it does not mean only those who need wheelchair access are allowed in there.
I think you missed something here. Or I did. I thought the general consensus here is that the handicapped stall is acceptable for use for handicapped or people with babies/strollers, etc. Nobody said that you can't use the stall if you have a kid with you; as a matter of fact, exactly the opposite was said by a number of posters. I used the handicapped stall all.the.time when I had kiddo in a stroller. If you're Jane Q. Public though, with no kids and no special needs, wtf do you need to bypass perfectly usable toilets to use a handicapped/larger stall and thereby prevent its use by a person with a legitimate need? It may not be illegal, but it's certainly inconsiderate.
And your solution is for sample lady to park farther away?
Handicapped spots are for the handicapped. If she is handicapped, she has just as much a right to be there as any handicapped customer.
I know it sounds awful. I have gotten several customer complaints about it though because they all say she could park on the side of the building where there is lots of parking and it adds 10 feet to her walk. My boss has thought about calling her boss and reporting it since there have been so many complaints.
I know it sounds awful. I have gotten several customer complaints about it though because they all say she could park on the side of the building where there is lots of parking and it adds 10 feet to her walk. My boss has thought about calling her boss and reporting it since there have been so many complaints.
OMFG. No.
I have to wonder about this...I have worked at several grocery stores in several states, and have never once seen every handicapped spot taken. Is this store possibly not compliant with ADA does it have enough spots? This could get your boss in a lot more hot water than he thinks. She has every right to park there.
Post by speckledfrog on Jul 10, 2013 8:08:38 GMT -5
Sounders, do you not like this lady for other reasons? She have every right to park in the handicapped space. They are first come, first served. I'm sorry your customers are riled up, but they are being jerkks.
Post by littlesthobo on Jul 10, 2013 8:18:35 GMT -5
Yeah, if customers are complaining that the handicap spots are always full, the reasonable, SANE person response would be looking into designating more parking spots. Not bitching to a handicapped woman's boss that she's using a spot designated for her. Y'know, JMHO.
Just today while in the restroom at work, overheard a woman giving someone else a lecture about using the disabled restroom. She was assisted to the stall and knocked and said "Hello? Is anyone in the disabled stall?" Someone was. Then she said "Are you actually handicapped? Or are you just using the stall? Because you should leave the stall for someone who is actually handicapped" The woman ended up apologizing but only after the poor woman asked her to hurry up because she thought she was going to pee her pants. It was funny and sad all at the same time.
I was yelled at for this once. I still get a little pissed when I think about it.
As much as I don't want Voldemort to come back, we really need IMMM to effectively have this discussion :-)
Post by cheeseandcrackers on Jul 10, 2013 8:33:36 GMT -5
Last week I was at the beach and went to the public restroom.. the women's restroom was PACKED out.. like line out the door.. meanwhile the men was completely empty. It annoyed the crap out of me when I saw women with their 6-8 year old boys in there.. I don't care that you brought your son in there, but dude, the line is HUGE, just have him go to the men's restroom.
Not sure if that's a flameful, but it made me think of it, ha.
My best friend from high school is paraplegic, and because of her disability, when she realizes she has to pee, it's basically an emergency. Soo. If you're in that stall when she arrives in the rest room, she pisses herself. It sucks. I've helped her clean up, cover up, etc. so many times that I never, ever use the handicapped stall. I won't glare at someone who does, but it does strike me as inconsiderate, especially if other stalls are open. How much room does one person need to go to the bathroom?
This is the only person, in my humble opinion, that should ever need an emergency pants person :-)
How do people feel about a person with a handicap plate parking in a handicap spot for 8-9 hours while they are working?
Is this a trick question? There is no time limit on the placards. It is so they don't have to walk as far to and from the door, not how long they will be parked there.
Last week I was at the beach and went to the public restroom.. the women's restroom was PACKED out.. like line out the door.. meanwhile the men was completely empty. It annoyed the crap out of me when I saw women with their 6-8 year old boys in there.. I don't care that you brought your son in there, but dude, the line is HUGE, just have him go to the men's restroom.
Not sure if that's a flameful, but it made me think of it, ha.
I have gone to the men's in cases like this before. Not with a child though, just myself.
I use the handicapped stall at work, mostly because no one who works here is disabled and we are not open to nonemployees in any way.
But I don't think using a handicapped stall (whether you have a kid with you or not) is flameful. Yes, a handicapped person may have to wait. Just like an able-bodied person might have to wait if the other stalls are in use. This doesn't compare IMO to the parking spot. You get a handicapped sticker/plate because whatever the disability is impacts you in a way that you have a need to park closer. Having a wheelchair or braces or whatever else might make a person want/need to use a handicapped stall doesn't necessarily have anything to do with going to the bathroom, does it? (Not entirely rhetorical)
i have a friend who is awesome, but not very much like me. she's also very very very conservative (politically, socially, emotionally, etc. lol) and traditional. so, often she and i will surprise one another with our perspectives.
i recently learned that she is AGHAST that my husband takes L to the men's room. AGHAST. because there are urinals and not just stalls!
i told her i was pretty sure that men didn't just all whip it out public-style and do naked penile dances, and that i trusted my husband's judgment to avoid such a situation if he saw it. she is still HORRIFIED and wanted to know HOW LONG WOULD I LET THAT GO ON?!?!?!?
i'm like, uh, as long as i don't want to the be the sole person responsible for taking my kid to public restrooms?
i'm pretty sure she had to excuse herself to pray for me.
Last week I was at the beach and went to the public restroom.. the women's restroom was PACKED out.. like line out the door.. meanwhile the men was completely empty. It annoyed the crap out of me when I saw women with their 6-8 year old boys in there.. I don't care that you brought your son in there, but dude, the line is HUGE, just have him go to the men's restroom.
Not sure if that's a flameful, but it made me think of it, ha.
It's kinda flameful. I wouldn't want KHC using a men's room at a public beach.
Should there be an age limitations for these kind of things though? If so, what would it be? I guess I could see where you are coming from about it being unsafe at a certain age. Does the location make a difference?
Post by Jalapeñomel on Jul 10, 2013 9:06:13 GMT -5
My sophomore year in college, I had the handicap dorm room. It was fuckin´awesome. There were two rooms, a bathroom with a seat in the shower (perfect for drunk showers, shower sex and shaving). And the room was HUGE.
@scottydeux, how's that tooth removal going? I need to go back and get tooth no.2 yanked, and I'm procrastinating, gah.
I will go out of my way to NEVER have that done again. It took 3 hours, it took forever to heal/stop bleeding. Mostly, that's my constitution, but, also, the level of old infection making it sore/painful. I just... never want to do that again. Thank you for asking! Get the drugs that make you go sleepy. I didn't!
I've done both on the drugs thing. Getting all four wisdom teeth yanked? Knock me the eff out, please. The one off I did earlier this year I was able to stay awake for and it was ok. This one I'm hoping to do in the morning and come to work after, since my recovery for the first one-off went well, and this tooth is so dead already (half of it is straight up gone and it does. not. hurt. at all.), so watch this is the one that will bust out a dry socket.
I have done countless bathroom calcs when designing buildings. You take the occupant load of the building, which is figured by the building usage and square foot. Then by the building usage the building code tells you how many stalls you need. Of that number so many need to be accessible, a certain number of sinks, and for men a certain number of urinals.
The calcs for accessible stalls are not above and beyond the non accessible, they are included. So are the urinals. No one would yell at a man for peeing in a stall. USE THE ACCESSIBLE STALL.
@scottydeux, how's that tooth removal going? I need to go back and get tooth no.2 yanked, and I'm procrastinating, gah.
I will go out of my way to NEVER have that done again. It took 3 hours, it took forever to heal/stop bleeding. Mostly, that's my constitution, but, also, the level of old infection making it sore/painful. I just... never want to do that again. Thank you for asking! Get the drugs that make you go sleepy. I didn't!
And how the eff did it take three hours? Did he have a lot of infection to remove? Yowza you poor poodle!
I use the handicapped stall at work, mostly because no one who works here is disabled and we are not open to nonemployees in any way.
But I don't think using a handicapped stall (whether you have a kid with you or not) is flameful. Yes, a handicapped person may have to wait. Just like an able-bodied person might have to wait if the other stalls are in use. This doesn't compare IMO to the parking spot. You get a handicapped sticker/plate because whatever the disability is impacts you in a way that you have a need to park closer. Having a wheelchair or braces or whatever else might make a person want/need to use a handicapped stall doesn't necessarily have anything to do with going to the bathroom, does it? (Not entirely rhetorical)
Ugh, I really don't want to get too involved in this, but I can't help it.
My friend's chair won't fit in a regular stall. Also, because she can't really feel much from the waist down, by the time she realizes she has to use the bathroom, it's pretty urgent -- and this isn't an issue that's unique to her. It sucks. It sucks to be a grown woman who has accidents because someone is using the one stall she can fit into. It sucks that she often wears Depends when she's out and about because she can't count on access to a toilet.
Having a wheelchair or braces or whatever else might make a person want/need to use a handicapped stall doesn't necessarily have anything to do with going to the bathroom, does it? (Not entirely rhetorical)
Yes, it does. Getting into/out of a wheelchair and onto a toilet requires extra space and bars to grip onto, etc.
Was this a serious question? Did I misread? Because its pretty clear to me.
Yes, it does. Getting into/out of a wheelchair and onto a toilet requires extra space and bars to grip onto, etc.
Was this a serious question? Did I misread? Because its pretty clear to me.
I meant *urgency* to use the bathroom.
Urgency is ABSOLUTELY a factor, as I mentioned above. When you have little sensation from the waist down, you can't always tell when your bladder is full until it's REALLY full. And then you've got to get yourself to the stall, transfer out of your chair, get your pants down.... It's dicey, even if the stall's open. If it's not, then you're covered in piss at the restaurant, or the mall, or the bar. It fucking sucks.
I use the handicapped stall at work, mostly because no one who works here is disabled and we are not open to nonemployees in any way.
But I don't think using a handicapped stall (whether you have a kid with you or not) is flameful. Yes, a handicapped person may have to wait. Just like an able-bodied person might have to wait if the other stalls are in use. This doesn't compare IMO to the parking spot. You get a handicapped sticker/plate because whatever the disability is impacts you in a way that you have a need to park closer. Having a wheelchair or braces or whatever else might make a person want/need to use a handicapped stall doesn't necessarily have anything to do with going to the bathroom, does it? (Not entirely rhetorical)
Ugh, I really don't want to get too involved in this, but I can't help it.
My friend's chair won't fit in a regular stall. Also, because she can't really feel much from the waist down, by the time she realizes she has to use the bathroom, it's pretty urgent -- and this isn't an issue that's unique to her. It sucks. It sucks to be a grown woman who has accidents because someone is using the one stall she can fit into. It sucks that she often wears Depends when she's out and about because she can't count on access to a toilet.
I'm glad you answered, and that's why I said at the end that it wasn't rhetorical. The examples given made me curious if disabilities impact urgency to use the bathroom more than you would expect (percentage-wise) from able-bodied people. Like I said, I never thought it was a big deal because it didn't seem so important that they always be OPEN, just that they were *available*. I'll definitely get my ass in a small stall now that I know.
And how the eff did it take three hours? Did he have a lot of infection to remove? Yowza you poor poodle!
Infection would not take the Novocaine, so I could feel everything. And, there was a crooked fourth root (the infected one, last one to come out). Basically, I had a root canaled tooth with an infection over a treated root and a completely untreated, infected root that wasn't really understood/noted until they went in there. It was my worst nightmare.
Oh my goodness you poor thing. Yeah, in that case, you get knocked the eff out. Oh my goodness. I hope they gave you good drugs :-(
Ugh, I really don't want to get too involved in this, but I can't help it.
My friend's chair won't fit in a regular stall. Also, because she can't really feel much from the waist down, by the time she realizes she has to use the bathroom, it's pretty urgent -- and this isn't an issue that's unique to her. It sucks. It sucks to be a grown woman who has accidents because someone is using the one stall she can fit into. It sucks that she often wears Depends when she's out and about because she can't count on access to a toilet.
I'm glad you answered, and that's why I said at the end that it wasn't rhetorical. The examples given made me curious if disabilities impact urgency to use the bathroom more than you would expect (percentage-wise) from able-bodied people. Like I said, I never thought it was a big deal because it didn't seem so important that they always be OPEN, just that they were *available*. I'll definitely get my ass in a small stall now that I know.
Yay! Thank you!
Seriously, though, I can't pretend I've never used the bigger stall. But I always feel a little guilty about it.