I think judging or being annoyed by how people grieve the loss of a child is an asshole move.
Would I personally do some of the things mentioned in this thread? No. But, dealing with the loss of a child is a very personal and individual experience and there's no right or wrong way to do it. There's also no time frame on it. Some people deal and move on quickly, others don't.
And prefacing a comment with "I can't imagine" or "I don't understand" doesn't make it ok. You're right, if you haven't gone through it, you have no idea. Which means you have no idea how YOU would deal with the grief afterwards. You can't know 100% how you would handle it until you are actually in that moment. And maybe in the moment you might be that lady who signs her dead kid's name on a card or posts too many photos. Losing a child is a life-changing experience, it can definitely make you do things that are "crazy." And imagine if, on top of all of that, you also lost the support of your friends because YOUR behavior isn't what THEY deem appropriate.
Well said!! This weekend, I will be celebrating my son's 3rd birthday... with his box of ashes. Thankfully, my friends are not assholes and will celebrate with us this weekend on FB as I am usually too heartbroken to leave the house that day. ((Hugs)) fellow loss mom.
I'm so sorry for your loss, but I am glad you have people to support you. Many hugs your way.
I think it's lame to prefer to 'vacation' (cruises/AIs) over really travel and see the world and learn.
On that note, I'm sure reproducing is going to make me a 'vactioner' as opposed to a traveler for years to come. This makes me sad.
I'm not interested in "learning" on all my vacations. Sometimes one just likes to lay the fuck back and be brought drink after drink. (hot)
You know, years ago, I used to be all, "why would people go to an AI when you can really SEE THE WORLD?!"
But my work days have gotten incrementally longer and harder since I left college, and I just don't have the energy to think about a planning a travel-focused vacation, much less think while actually on one.
I'm not even a lay-by-the-beach-all-day person, but really, all I want to do on my vacation time now is be outside with my brain shut off.
OK with that said, I've got something for you to jump all over. While I don't judge people who go to AIs, what I don't get is why someone who is on a beautiful island with lovely ocean nearby would choose to sit by the pool. When we were in Hawaii, we got stuck talking to this random couple who basically had spent their previous 5 days on the island going to different hotel pools and then spent a good 10 minutes telling us how clean they were. I mean, WTF people. Do you not see the BLUEST, PRETTIEST PACIFIC OCEAN WATER 10 FEET AWAY?!
I'm not interested in "learning" on all my vacations. Sometimes one just likes to lay the fuck back and be brought drink after drink. (hot)
You know, years ago, I used to be all, "why would people go to an AI when you can really SEE THE WORLD?!"
But my work days have gotten incrementally longer and harder since I left college, and I just don't have the energy to think about a planning a travel-focused vacation, much less think while actually on one.
I'm not even a lay-by-the-beach-all-day person, but really, all I want to do on my vacation time now is be outside with my brain shut off.
OK with that said, I've got something for you to jump all over. While I don't judge people who go to AIs, what I don't get is why someone who is on a beautiful island with lovely ocean nearby would choose to sit by the pool. When we were in Hawaii, we got stuck talking to this random couple who basically had spent their previous 5 days on the island going to different hotel pools and then spent a good 10 minutes telling us how clean they were. I mean, WTF people. Do you not see the BLUEST, PRETTIEST PACIFIC OCEAN WATER 10 FEET AWAY?!
Pools suck. Ocean and sand FTW.
It depends on the water. When we went to the Bahamas, the water was so clear and beautiful, and I swam in it a lot. But in general, I stick to the pool because the salt bothers my contacts. My H will usually swim in the ocean while I read on the beach, taking a dip in every so often to cool off. Also, I can't resist the siren song of the swim-up pool bar
I hate sand and am incredibly phobic of jellyfish, so I prefer to be at a pool near the beach.
Also, last time I was in Hawaii this was the sign we were confronted with when approaching the water, so I can't say we were exactly encouraged to enter the water. I only saw people in the enclosed lagoon thing ... No-one was in the ocean at large. So pool swimming it was!
Since we're talking about animals, I love animals and feel immense maternal attachment and warm, fuzzy feelings with respect to random animals. As I've previously mentioned, my dream would be to live on a farm in the Hudson Valley with a bunch of animals. On the flipside, I feel none of those warm, fuzzy feelings whenever I'm around my dear friends' children.
Well said. I feel the exact same way. I coo over random animals on zooborn (even the creepey ones), but a new baby and I'm all....faking that I am excited.
You know, years ago, I used to be all, "why would people go to an AI when you can really SEE THE WORLD?!"
But my work days have gotten incrementally longer and harder since I left college, and I just don't have the energy to think about a planning a travel-focused vacation, much less think while actually on one.
I'm not even a lay-by-the-beach-all-day person, but really, all I want to do on my vacation time now is be outside with my brain shut off.
OK with that said, I've got something for you to jump all over. While I don't judge people who go to AIs, what I don't get is why someone who is on a beautiful island with lovely ocean nearby would choose to sit by the pool. When we were in Hawaii, we got stuck talking to this random couple who basically had spent their previous 5 days on the island going to different hotel pools and then spent a good 10 minutes telling us how clean they were. I mean, WTF people. Do you not see the BLUEST, PRETTIEST PACIFIC OCEAN WATER 10 FEET AWAY?!
Pools suck. Ocean and sand FTW.
It depends on the water. When we went to the Bahamas, the water was so clear and beautiful, and I swam in it a lot. But in general, I stick to the pool because the salt bothers my contacts. My H will usually swim in the ocean while I read on the beach, taking a dip in every so often to cool off. Also, I can't resist the siren song of the swim-up pool bar
Are swim up bars in oceans a thing? I'm guessing not. That makes me sad.
Part of my pool aversion is that pool swimming bores me. I don't understand how to do it as an adult. I get in the water, and then I'm like, "Uh, OK what now?" Same with lakes. I need waves to entertain me in the water, otherwise, I'd rather just take a shower.
I'm LOLing that Caribbean islands don't have culture and that each country doesn't have distinct cultural differences. In St. Lucia they speak some kind of crazy French patois
And Bermuda not only has a very distinct culture from other Caribbean islands, it's actually not in the Caribbean at all.
The history and culture of a Saint Kitts which was basically a sugar plantation is very different from the culture of T&C where you never had large scale sugar industries. Some of these islands had heavy French influence, others Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese. There are different kinds of African influence on different islands--listen to an Antiguan speaking dialect and they could be in Sierra Leone if you squint. Not so much in Jamaica. Some islands have tons of Indians. There are Arabs all over the Caribbean who fled the Ottoman Empire. Jamaica has an indigenous Chinese population. Barbados has an inordinate amount of scruffy looking old white Brits.
I HATE sitting on the beach and I have found plenty of interesting history and culture all over the Caribbean. It's not necessarily #1 on my list because I've spent a ton of time there due to H's work, and I like to visit new places. But to say it has no culture or history of interest or that is accessible to visitors is pretty ignorant.
I went to both Jamaica and Barbados my senior year in high school. They were fantastic places, and I learned a lot about their culture. Plus, I spent about 20 days between those islands and only laid on the beach for about 5 hours total that whole time.
I would be scared if I found my fellow sluts on the internet, they might kill me! I know that guy in Home Depot could totally kill me, too, but I just don't trust random internet sex partners.
*sigh* Leave it to you guys to make me have to think through the logistics of my fantasies (wilted). Are you guys familiar with the saying "you can f*ck up a wet dream"? That's kind of the reputation we have, you guys. Between chemistry and math debates and now this, we are doing ourselves no favors, my friends!
I'm sorry! I didn't mean to ruin your fantasies!!!!
I just meant it in a "the grass isn't always greener" way. I'm sure if you were single you'd find plenty of hot guys to bang. Lol.
I couldn't figure out the internet sex thing. Like, do we go on a date first? If I just want to bang you, why do we have to hang out first? If not, where do we meet that ensures you don't know where I live and I'm not setting myself up for being tortured at your house? A hotel probably would have been ok but I'm not paying.
Somehow briefly meeting someone in person seems better/safer. Even though it's probably not...
It depends on the water. When we went to the Bahamas, the water was so clear and beautiful, and I swam in it a lot. But in general, I stick to the pool because the salt bothers my contacts. My H will usually swim in the ocean while I read on the beach, taking a dip in every so often to cool off. Also, I can't resist the siren song of the swim-up pool bar
Are swim up bars in oceans a thing? I'm guessing not. That makes me sad.
Part of my pool aversion is that pool swimming bores me. I don't understand how to do it as an adult. I get in the water, and then I'm like, "Uh, OK what now?" Same with lakes. I need waves to entertain me in the water, otherwise, I'd rather just take a shower.
I don't do much swimming when I'm in the water, unless I'm playing with my sister's kids. Mostly I just stand/sit/float around talking to whoever I'm with.
It depends on the water. When we went to the Bahamas, the water was so clear and beautiful, and I swam in it a lot. But in general, I stick to the pool because the salt bothers my contacts. My H will usually swim in the ocean while I read on the beach, taking a dip in every so often to cool off. Also, I can't resist the siren song of the swim-up pool bar
Are swim up bars in oceans a thing? I'm guessing not. That makes me sad.
Part of my pool aversion is that pool swimming bores me. I don't understand how to do it as an adult. I get in the water, and then I'm like, "Uh, OK what now?" Same with lakes. I need waves to entertain me in the water, otherwise, I'd rather just take a shower.
I don't really get in the pool unless (a) there is a swim-up bar or (b) I am hot from my sunbathing. But I very much enjoy lying by the pool with a drink and a book. My H doesn't get this at all and is all "what do you want to do? Let's DO SOMETHING!"
Are swim up bars in oceans a thing? I'm guessing not. That makes me sad.
Part of my pool aversion is that pool swimming bores me. I don't understand how to do it as an adult. I get in the water, and then I'm like, "Uh, OK what now?" Same with lakes. I need waves to entertain me in the water, otherwise, I'd rather just take a shower.
I don't do much swimming when I'm in the water, unless I'm playing with my sister's kids. Mostly I just stand/sit/float around talking to whoever I'm with.
Lakes (and ponds) totally skeeve me out.
I am not wild about lakes either, even though I learned to swim in them.
H's friends have a cabin in the mountain. There is no running water there. I had to suck it up and go in the damn lake after two days without a shower. Turns out a dip in dirty water is better than no dip at all.
Are swim up bars in oceans a thing? I'm guessing not. That makes me sad.
Part of my pool aversion is that pool swimming bores me. I don't understand how to do it as an adult. I get in the water, and then I'm like, "Uh, OK what now?" Same with lakes. I need waves to entertain me in the water, otherwise, I'd rather just take a shower.
I don't really get in the pool unless (a) there is a swim-up bar or (b) I am hot from my sunbathing. But I very much enjoy lying by the pool with a drink and a book. My H doesn't get this at all and is all "what do you want to do? Let's DO SOMETHING!"
LOL. I am not a sunbather because I burn like crazy, so I'd be your H in this scenario. That said, after bottomless champagne brunch in Maui, I took a nap on a lawn chair in the shade by the beach and it was the most glorious nap I have ever had in my whole life. I was irate when H woke me up to go snorkeling, then had the nerve to complain the next day that he didn't feel like we had done much relaxing.
Post by pantsparty on Feb 20, 2014 19:37:22 GMT -5
I don't want kids OR animals.
Everyone can feel the most sorry for me!
ETA: this reminds me of a conversation with a co-worker in our home office I don't see that often. She was asking me, "So, are you and your H going to have kids?" and I said cheerfully, "No," and then she said, "Well, do you have any pets?" and I said, "No, we both travel a lot, we don't want one," and then she was all, "...well, what do you guys DO?" So I blabbed on about traveling and hobbies, etc., but I really wanted to say, "Whatever the fuck we want."
I'll speak for Y4M - it's Excellence Playa Mujeres. I've been there with DH twice, it's amaaaaaazing. Stay in one of the building's that's on the lazy river (!) and get a fresh drink with every lap.
I don't normally post here, but I don't get the EPM love. At all. I'm the furthest thing from a snob. We went there for our first anniversary and will never go back. We upgraded so we had access to the little private sitting room where the food was practically ineditable. Same with some of the food from the restaurants. Breakfast was the best meal of the day and it was the buffet. Our room was "Oceanfront" and again, an upgraded room and it was SO far away from the actual beach, I mean, we could see, beyond the pool, wedding gazebo, some trees, etc. (I will say the service was great.) We stayed at the El Dorado Royale for our honeymoon, which had amazing food and a great room and this place was nothing close to it.
I don't really get in the pool unless (a) there is a swim-up bar or (b) I am hot from my sunbathing. But I very much enjoy lying by the pool with a drink and a book. My H doesn't get this at all and is all "what do you want to do? Let's DO SOMETHING!"
LOL. I am not a sunbather because I burn like crazy, so I'd be your H in this scenario. That said, after bottomless champagne brunch in Maui, I took a nap on a lawn chair in the shade by the beach and it was the most glorious nap I have ever had in my whole life. I was irate when H woke me up to go snorkeling, then had the nerve to complain the next day that he didn't feel like we had done much relaxing.
I should clarify that my "sunbathing" involves half a bottle of sunscreen. I don't really get tan, but I like feeling the warm sun on my skin. Ahh...
ETA: this reminds me of a conversation with a co-worker in our home office I don't see that often. She was asking me, "So, are you and your H going to have kids?" and I said cheerfully, "No," and then she said, "Well, do you have any pets?" and I said, "No, we both travel a lot, we don't want one," and then she was all, "...well, what do you guys DO?" So I blabbed on about traveling and hobbies, etc., but I really wanted to say, "Whatever the fuck we want."
This is GBCN. We don't feel sorry for you, we feel sorry for your husband. Duh.
Heres one: I didn't know I could get my dog registered as a therapy dog through a psychologist or whatever. I'm tempted to do that now. I'd love to be able to take her places!
My older golden is a TDI-certified therapy dog, and I have to say, the places we can go is pretty limited and not that amazing. Don't do it for that.
We can go into hospitals, but only after doing lengthy paperwork and documentation (of his health status and vaccinations, my health status and vaccinations, of our TDI certification, of insurance, etc.). We have also gone into schools, but only after the same lengthy paperwork and documentation, plus I had to sit through all the same HR stuff as new teachers, and had to be fingerprinted by the state police and have a background check done. Therapy dogs don't get special treatment (like service dogs do) on public transit, or any other place that I know of.
If you want to volunteer with your dog it can be pretty cool. We did work with kids with autism and who were on the autism spectrum, and it was fun to see them interact better with each other with him than with each other without him. But the certification didn't really get us anything else beyond that.
I'm pretty sure she means she wants to get her dog certified as a therapy dog not so she can volunteer with him, but that she's her personal therapy dog (emotional support service animal or whatever) so she can take her on flights without having to pay, into places where pets aren't usually allowed, etc.
I'm not interested in "learning" on all my vacations. Sometimes one just likes to lay the fuck back and be brought drink after drink. (hot)
You know, years ago, I used to be all, "why would people go to an AI when you can really SEE THE WORLD?!"
But my work days have gotten incrementally longer and harder since I left college, and I just don't have the energy to think about a planning a travel-focused vacation, much less think while actually on one.
I'm not even a lay-by-the-beach-all-day person, but really, all I want to do on my vacation time now is be outside with my brain shut off.
OK with that said, I've got something for you to jump all over. While I don't judge people who go to AIs, what I don't get is why someone who is on a beautiful island with lovely ocean nearby would choose to sit by the pool. When we were in Hawaii, we got stuck talking to this random couple who basically had spent their previous 5 days on the island going to different hotel pools and then spent a good 10 minutes telling us how clean they were. I mean, WTF people. Do you not see the BLUEST, PRETTIEST PACIFIC OCEAN WATER 10 FEET AWAY?!
Pools suck. Ocean and sand FTW.
SAND. sand is the devil's work.
Best case scenario: pool right on the beach.
Also- I think a lot of tropical beaches are boring. It seems as though people think the more placid the water the better. Give me the jersey shore with waves I can body surf over your tropical beach where the waves crash on the coral reef 100 yards away any day.
I hate sand and am incredibly phobic of jellyfish, so I prefer to be at a pool near the beach.
Also, last time I was in Hawaii this was the sign we were confronted with when approaching the water, so I can't say we were exactly encouraged to enter the water. I only saw people in the enclosed lagoon thing ... No-one was in the ocean at large. So pool swimming it was!
This was similar to my experience with Hawaii beaches.
I grew up with beaches having a very light current and I'm not a strong swimmer. I like to bob around and play in the waves. The beaches in Hawaii scared me. The current was far stronger than I'm used to and I felt like I was being sucked under.
Also, I didn't feel like it was hot enough in Hawaii for "swimming weather." I had a great time on a snorkeling trip, out past the breaking waves, but I was freezing! The 75-80 degree weather was perfect for hanging out outside and not needing A/C, swimming not so much. I keep my thermostat at home on 78 and wear pj pants and socks inside.
That said, I do not feel Hawaii was wasted on me. I had an awesome time even if I was only in the water for the snorkeling trip and one dip in the resort pool.
My older golden is a TDI-certified therapy dog, and I have to say, the places we can go is pretty limited and not that amazing. Don't do it for that.
We can go into hospitals, but only after doing lengthy paperwork and documentation (of his health status and vaccinations, my health status and vaccinations, of our TDI certification, of insurance, etc.). We have also gone into schools, but only after the same lengthy paperwork and documentation, plus I had to sit through all the same HR stuff as new teachers, and had to be fingerprinted by the state police and have a background check done. Therapy dogs don't get special treatment (like service dogs do) on public transit, or any other place that I know of.
If you want to volunteer with your dog it can be pretty cool. We did work with kids with autism and who were on the autism spectrum, and it was fun to see them interact better with each other with him than with each other without him. But the certification didn't really get us anything else beyond that.
I'm pretty sure she means she wants to get her dog certified as a therapy dog not so she can volunteer with him, but that she's her personal therapy dog (emotional support service animal or whatever) so she can take her on flights without having to pay, into places where pets aren't usually allowed, etc.
Yeah that was what I thought she meant. It doesn't really work like that. Therapy dogs are not "service animals" and don't get those kinds of special dispensation. Which is probably appropriate.
I'm pretty sure she means she wants to get her dog certified as a therapy dog not so she can volunteer with him, but that she's her personal therapy dog (emotional support service animal or whatever) so she can take her on flights without having to pay, into places where pets aren't usually allowed, etc.
Yeah that was what I thought she meant. It doesn't really work like that. Therapy dogs are not "service animals" and don't get those kinds of special dispensation. Which is probably appropriate.
It must depend. H's cousins both got a shady doctor to certify their dogs as emotional support animals and they've gotten all kinds of special dispensation.
Maybe there's some kind of difference between emotional support animals and certified therapy dogs.
Yeah that was what I thought she meant. It doesn't really work like that. Therapy dogs are not "service animals" and don't get those kinds of special dispensation. Which is probably appropriate.
It must depend. H's cousins both got a shady doctor to certify their dogs as emotional support animals and they've gotten all kinds of special dispensation.
Maybe there's some kind of difference between emotional support animals and certified therapy dogs.
I'm pretty sure she means she wants to get her dog certified as a therapy dog not so she can volunteer with him, but that she's her personal therapy dog (emotional support service animal or whatever) so she can take her on flights without having to pay, into places where pets aren't usually allowed, etc.
Yeah that was what I thought she meant. It doesn't really work like that. Therapy dogs are not "service animals" and don't get those kinds of special dispensation. Which is probably appropriate.
I used the wrong terminology, oops! They were "yelling" on the other thread about people wanting a note from a therapist so they can take their dogs anywhere as a service dog. That's what I meant by therapy. Not having a therapy certified dog! Sorry.
I don't think the Caribbeans on the board would really appreciate someone saying their country has no cultural component. And I know we have on Bajan, vigurl is from VI, my ILs are Tobagonian, and my maternal grandparents are Haitian.
Have you seen how big Turks and Caicos is?! It's like the size of the town I grew up in. Which doesn't have a distinct culture, really, although it's a lovely place, as I'm sure T&C is as well. And maybe they do, but I have no interest in visiting.
Also, Nassau basically exists because it was a place to set up rum running during prohibition. Which sounds interesting, but I'm betting less than 1% of people traveling to the Bahamas actually give a shit about that, so I doubt it's really that enticing to plan a vacation around it, given that the vast majority of stuff in the country will appeal to those who want to do beach-like or summer-outdoorsy activities rather than research the history of prohibition, and there are probably very few tour outlets giving out historical information due to lack of demand.
... Which actually makes me wonder what kind of primary research materials they have if one were to research run running...
NAssau predates the 20s. Blackbeard lived there, I believe, back in the 1700s. This is weird. Your whole logic is odd. Sorry. And, run running? Just funny with the grammar check above
Since we're talking about animals, I love animals and feel immense maternal attachment and warm, fuzzy feelings with respect to random animals. As I've previously mentioned, my dream would be to live on a farm in the Hudson Valley with a bunch of animals. On the flipside, I feel none of those warm, fuzzy feelings whenever I'm around my dear friends' children.
Well said. I feel the exact same way. I coo over random animals on zooborn (even the creepey ones), but a new baby and I'm all....faking that I am excited.
I just don't have the mom gene.
Add me to this list. I have yet to meet a baby animal (or grown animal) that I don't think is cute, but I am pretty "meh" about babies.
I also could talk to a dog in a baby voice all day, but when it comes to talking to a baby I have no idea what to say. Which makes zero sense. Neither of them have any clue what I'm saying...
IMO, the person has to be an asshole, because of the whole she would be so pleased to be named thing. Tacom is no asshole.
This game is dumb, but it's the only game going right now.
A lot of people were nice to me after my dad's recent elopement, but I chalked that up to empathy. I'd like to think that I'm self-aware enough to realize that my need to argue shit to death will prevent me from ever being too popular.
Definitely thought you were the favored one, and I temporarily became a little self-conscious about liking too many of your posts... until I remembered IDGAF.
Post by BeagleMama on Feb 20, 2014 21:28:42 GMT -5
This is an amazing thread that entertained me all evening while DH was at work.
Anyway, my flameful is that I just can't understand women in a professional setting who look like a hot mess. I'm not saying you have to be a damn beauty queen, I am certainly not, but for the love of God... pull your hair back or learn to style it, buy some clothes that fit well and clean yourself up. No one is going to take you seriously if you look like hell.
My father, who was unassuming and not fancy, used to say, "The only difference between an ugly woman and a pretty woman is laziness." Truth.
I hate sand and am incredibly phobic of jellyfish, so I prefer to be at a pool near the beach.
Also, last time I was in Hawaii this was the sign we were confronted with when approaching the water, so I can't say we were exactly encouraged to enter the water. I only saw people in the enclosed lagoon thing ... No-one was in the ocean at large. So pool swimming it was!
In the enclosed pool my H still managed to find one of those stinging anemones and get stung. He had to soak his hand in a thing of distilled vinegar (which looked like a pee sample cup) and the finger is still swollen. He got stung a month ago.
WHY DID YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT?!? Stinging sea creatures scare me so much.
Yeah, I'm glad I didn't go in. Palm Grove pool 4 lyfe (I am the 4sq mayor still, lol).