Is cotton offensive to black people?

[iammalcolmx]

Dec 15, 2014 14:04:16 GMT -5 elleblue said:

Dec 15, 2014 13:53:27 GMT -5 ttt said:

OK while we're on the topic of mistaking people for store workers, please people, whatever race you are, don't wear red shirts to Target.

This is true. I once mistook a guy for a Target employee. But he was wearing a red polo shirt and khakis and it was only when he turned around that I saw he had no name tag. 

@choco

[2curlydogs]

Dec 15, 2014 13:37:33 GMT -5 cville said:

Dec 15, 2014 13:36:39 GMT -5 2curlydogs said:

How the fuck did this thread get to 13 pages and the Irish Potato Famine?

I don't know, but I think the famine thing is my fault.  Sorry guys.

I'm just wondering who are these Irish people who have gotten over The Great Famine.

Unless they're confusing  people who live in Ireland with Irish Americans. Which is fucking ridiculous.

While many of us are the descendants of emigrants fleeing the famine, and the Irish story in america was very early marked by discrimination, it was nothing compared to those people who were unwillingly torn away from families and enslaved for generations.



I don't know a single Irish person who has "gotten over" the Famine. Please to be seeing Bobby Sands as an example. There was a reason they chose hunger strikes.

[ttt]

By the way, the "No Irish Need Apply" thing was a myth.

::runs away::

[elleblue]

Dec 15, 2014 14:07:39 GMT -5 iammalcolmx said:

Dec 15, 2014 14:04:16 GMT -5 elleblue said:

This is true. I once mistook a guy for a Target employee. But he was wearing a red polo shirt and khakis and it was only when he turned around that I saw he had no name tag. 

@choco

Uh oh, lol. I apologized as soon as I realized he didn't work there. 

[sandsonik]

Dec 15, 2014 13:24:43 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I daresay not a single person here would tell anyone of Irish descent to just let the famine go.

But now we're getting into Suffering Olympics territory and I don't like it. A lot of bad shit happened in the world. I would never tell black people, the Irish, Armenians, Jews, indigenous people forced off their native lands, Roma, Bosnians, etc. that they should get over it. The End.

And I am asking this in a non-snarky manner, I promise, but I'm related to a helluva lot of Irish people through marriage who are very into their Irishness, and I don't recall ever hearing about symbols of a potato being offensive to them. Are there specific examples that are offensive? I'm honestly asking.

That was my point a long, long time ago before I was re-educated - that we don't generally find inanimate objects offensive because of how humans misused us. I know better now. So now we are all on the same page. It doesn't matter what everyone else does. If black people are offended by the cotton boll, it's none of my business.

[eponinepontmercy]

So, the answer is yes?

[Deleted]

Dec 15, 2014 12:58:00 GMT -5 cville said:

BRIEF TIME OUT:

Okay, we need to take a break on the Irish Potato Famine because this is annoying me. The potato famine was terrible because POTATO crops failed and, as it had been a staple/main resource for the poor of Ireland, they were left with nothing to eat.

The potato famine wasn't about resorting TO potatoes, it was about the absence of the once-prevalent potato. And like 10,000 political and socioeconomic issues, including a sharecroppingesque farming system designed to keep the poor and disfavored from ever ascending. FULL CIRCLE.


/time out over

The Irish don't eat potatoes anymore, you didn't know? And they have a visceral reaction to the sight of them.

It should also be noted that during the Potato Famine that was the ONLY crop that failed. Irish folks grew all kinds of shit, mostly wheat in addition to potatoes. But wheat was the cash crop, the one that paid their overpriced rents to the English landlords set over them due to a system of oppression and marginalization. The potato crop failed on a massive scale but if the English didn't get their rent, they'd burn their houses and kick them out. So people starved because the wheat crop had to be sold, not eaten.

[Deleted]

Dec 15, 2014 14:12:55 GMT -5 ttt said:

By the way, the "No Irish Need Apply" thing was a myth.

::runs away::

LOL Nah, I heard this too, that they couldn't find proof that people preferred hiring black folks to Irish ones.

But there is a reason why cops and firefighters have a heavy Irish presence. And sometimes I wonder if that particular tension isn't one of the undercurrents present in LEO today.

How is that for full circle?

[iammalcolmx]

Dec 15, 2014 15:04:10 GMT -5 @songforyou said:

Since this thread will likely never end, this seems like a good time to confess that when my cousin and I talk to each other, we refer to groups as "the whatevers." The blacks, the whites, etc. It started with something offensive that actually happened years ago, but at this point, we just do it for entertainment. Sometimes, when I see it in print or hear it, I forget that it's a real thing that some people are still doing. In 20damnnear15. So then I am entertained in a different way.

No shade here. My IL's have decided we are all going Skiing in Salt Lake City in March. When I told @helenabonhamcarter NitaX @soudesafinado eclaires tef KateAggie and druidprincess about it I said " The White people are making me go skiing"

[Deleted]

Dec 15, 2014 14:31:58 GMT -5 sandsonik said:

Dec 15, 2014 13:24:43 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I daresay not a single person here would tell anyone of Irish descent to just let the famine go.

But now we're getting into Suffering Olympics territory and I don't like it. A lot of bad shit happened in the world. I would never tell black people, the Irish, Armenians, Jews, indigenous people forced off their native lands, Roma, Bosnians, etc. that they should get over it. The End.

And I am asking this in a non-snarky manner, I promise, but I'm related to a helluva lot of Irish people through marriage who are very into their Irishness, and I don't recall ever hearing about symbols of a potato being offensive to them. Are there specific examples that are offensive? I'm honestly asking.

That was my point a long, long time ago before I was re-educated - that we don't generally find inanimate objects offensive because of how humans misused us. I know better now. So now we are all on the same page. It doesn't matter what everyone else does. If black people are offended by the cotton boll, it's none of my business.

And dude, the Irish aren't offended by potatoes. Maybe if you throw one at their head.

[Deleted]

Dec 15, 2014 16:18:28 GMT -5 @soudesafinado said:

I *think* her point is that because the Irish aren't offended by potatoes despite the potato famine, black people should be able to get past the use of the cotton boll display at BB.

Because Irish folks wishing they had some potatoes to eat is totes the same as black folks wishing they didn't have to get their asses beat and their women raped while picking cotton.

I know you know that but I figured I would make it clear to miss ma'am why it doesn't work out.

[ttt]

So....no to this Pinterest board then?

[ttt]

And these too?

[CallingAllAngels]

Dec 15, 2014 16:42:26 GMT -5 ttt said:

And these too?

Don't forget Baked Potato Ice Cream.

[pescalita]

Dec 15, 2014 11:05:46 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I'm okay with us being groupthinky about racism. Other things I'm okay with us being groupthinky about:

How much Ted Cruz sucks
Cute kittens and/or puppies
Megan Heimer spreads misinformation
Rapey otters

In all seriousness, there aren't a lot of emotionally-charged issues discussed here like racism. Of course this was going to get heated after certain posts, and rightfully so.

I cannot get on board with rapey otter group think. 

@majorwife

[josieposy]

This Irish girl really wants some potatoes now.

[meshaliuknits]

Dec 15, 2014 16:42:26 GMT -5 ttt said:

And these too?

I'm sorry, is that cabbage a vase now?


Pinterest is so weird.

[Velar Fricative]

Dec 15, 2014 17:20:40 GMT -5 josieposy said:

This Irish girl really wants some potatoes now.

I made mashed potatoes for my 3/4 Irish husband and 3/8 Irish daughter last night. I am exactly 0.0000000% Irish but they came out pretty good! DH was not offended by either the symbolism of the potatoes or their taste.

[josieposy]

Dec 15, 2014 17:35:02 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Dec 15, 2014 17:20:40 GMT -5 josieposy said:

This Irish girl really wants some potatoes now.

I made mashed potatoes for my 3/4 Irish husband and 3/8 Irish daughter last night. I am exactly 0.0000000% Irish but they came out pretty good! DH was not offended by either the symbolism of the potatoes or their taste.

Well even if he was he'd only be 3/4 offended anyway.

[pescalita]

Dec 15, 2014 17:35:02 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Dec 15, 2014 17:20:40 GMT -5 josieposy said:

This Irish girl really wants some potatoes now.

I made mashed potatoes for my 3/4 Irish husband and 3/8 Irish daughter last night. I am exactly 0.0000000% Irish but they came out pretty good! DH was not offended by either the symbolism of the potatoes or their taste.

Carl (Italian and Mayflower) made potatoes once and was complaining about how they turned out. I kept telling him they were fine and when I was still stuffing my face with them from the pan after dinner, I said "would I still be eating these if they were terrible?" 

To which he replied : "Probably. It's the way of your people."

[ttt]

Dec 15, 2014 17:35:02 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Dec 15, 2014 17:20:40 GMT -5 josieposy said:

This Irish girl really wants some potatoes now.

I made mashed potatoes for my 3/4 Irish husband and 3/8 Irish daughter last night. I am exactly 0.0000000% Irish but they came out pretty good! DH was not offended by either the symbolism of the potatoes or their taste.

God you are so insensitive.

[blink]

Dec 15, 2014 17:20:40 GMT -5 josieposy said:

This Irish girl really wants some potatoes now.

Would sharing potatoes be offensive or not?

[teflepi]

Dec 15, 2014 8:05:33 GMT -5 tacosforlife said:

Dec 15, 2014 7:57:16 GMT -5 sandsonik said:

I do not use the phrase the blacks. I only used it in this thread when quoting pixy.

What post of pixy's were you quoting? You used "blacks" in one post on page 7 and "the blacks" in another (both near the bottom). You didn't employ the quote feature. And I saw no post from pixy on either page 6 or page 7 that used the term "blacks."

Where pixy said something about the Irish.
"I see we've entered the "but the Irish were repressed and indentured servants" portion of why the black people should just forget history."

Read more: pandce.proboards.com/thread/398602/cotton-offensive-black-people?page=6#ixzz3M0hrV6px

She said the black people.  So, not technically blacks but "the" was added.

[pixy0stix]

Dec 15, 2014 18:00:28 GMT -5 teflepi said:

Dec 15, 2014 8:05:33 GMT -5 tacosforlife said:

What post of pixy's were you quoting? You used "blacks" in one post on page 7 and "the blacks" in another (both near the bottom). You didn't employ the quote feature. And I saw no post from pixy on either page 6 or page 7 that used the term "blacks."

Where pixy said something about the Irish.
"I see we've entered the "but the Irish were repressed and indentured servants" portion of why the black people should just forget history."

Read more: pandce.proboards.com/thread/398602/cotton-offensive-black-people?page=6#ixzz3M0hrV6px

She said the black people.  So, not technically blacks but "the" was added.

I was going for the condescending feel I was getting from ol' sands.

[gottadobe]

Dec 15, 2014 17:20:40 GMT -5 josieposy said:

This Irish girl really wants some potatoes now.

Mmmmmmm Dublin Coddle.

[Velar Fricative]

Dec 15, 2014 17:42:15 GMT -5 josieposy said:

Dec 15, 2014 17:35:02 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

I made mashed potatoes for my 3/4 Irish husband and 3/8 Irish daughter last night. I am exactly 0.0000000% Irish but they came out pretty good! DH was not offended by either the symbolism of the potatoes or their taste.

Well even if he was he'd only be 3/4 offended anyway.

I wonder what would offend his 1/4 Swedish part. Incorrectly-assembled IKEA furniture? Me throwing out my Ace of Base cassette?

[teflepi]

Dec 15, 2014 12:52:19 GMT -5 flgirl said:

Dec 15, 2014 10:06:45 GMT -5 @dyermaker said:

I'm dying to know what you mean by subject like this. Race issues?

The OP had the intent of illustrating to white people, who already had a platform for expressing their opinions by putting the display out there, that there is another perspective they should pay attention to. So pardon me if I say that nothing constructive is to be gained by someone continuing to dismiss the very valid POV of people that ARE able to draw the historical connection.

Actually it doesn't seem to matter what the topic is.  It is a valid POL and so is the Irish and potatoes and the Jewish with swastikas. Lots of things can be symbolic for a group of people or, hell, for just one person. I really didn't read anyone "dismissing" this POV. It is hard to talk about a sensitive subject without emotions running high. It even effects reading comprehension and the ability to not attack someone.

No. The IRISH were not systematically killed. So, nope. Stop. STOP whitey

[teflepi]

Dec 15, 2014 18:01:44 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

Dec 15, 2014 18:00:28 GMT -5 teflepi said:

Where pixy said something about the Irish.
"I see we've entered the "but the Irish were repressed and indentured servants" portion of why the black people should just forget history."

Read more: pandce.proboards.com/thread/398602/cotton-offensive-black-people?page=6#ixzz3M0hrV6px

She said the black people.  So, not technically blacks but "the" was added.

I was going for the condescending feel I was getting from ol' sands.

I knew why you were using it, but I was trying to post where it was said.  She has enough error in her thinking...this was an area that the quotes would have helped her (not get hung up on as she didn't say it in a free standing post, if that makes sense).

[spaghettisquash]

I am watching Family Feud and a family from Missouri is sporting cotton boll corsages and boutonnières. I wonder what Steve Harvey thought about that.

[josieposy]

Dec 15, 2014 18:07:04 GMT -5 Velar Fricative said:

Dec 15, 2014 17:42:15 GMT -5 josieposy said:

Well even if he was he'd only be 3/4 offended anyway.

I wonder what would offend his 1/4 Swedish part. Incorrectly-assembled IKEA furniture? Me throwing out my Ace of Base cassette?

Bad meatballs.