Is this where I bring up that I live in a town where high school kids get several days off school to make floats for "Vigilante Days" and then all then the city shuts down (offices and elementary/middle schools) to attend a Vigilante Parade. We have some weird love for posses and vigilantes here.
Oh for fucks sake, lhc. That's what's got your panties in a twist?
I asked what I was supposed to ease up on; you never answered. I asked another question that you never answered as well, but I can't remember what it is. lol. I'm not panty-twisted, I just think it's funny you're mad that nobody's "discussing" this and instead jumping on you or something, but you can't be bothered to discuss it either.
More than likely I skipped over the posts (I was proofing a memo). hold on.
I would invite you to go back and read the first 3 pages of that thread. And then the first page of this one.
ETA: From MW, "OP is raising a future killer"
So one person said this? On this board? Then why are you implying that *I* think this?
I didn't imply that you were the one thinking this. I was answering your question to find ONE person who said this. Toledo also said in this thread that there must be something wrong with the kid.
One time, my H let Jackson watch the transformers movie (he liked the 80s cartoon so my brilliant husband was like its totally cool). He was probably 3. And was terrified of the washing machine and dryer for a good two years after and had nightmares about robots. I was mad at my H, but I also laughed a lot at his fear of the washer/dryer (not in front of him).
And because my H can't learn a lesson, when Scarlett was 3, he let her watch Avengers and she was scared shitless of the Hulk. So he told her Hulk was a hero. Any time after that when she would see Hulk - toy, TV, animated, book - she would start muttering to herself, "Hulk is a hero. Hulk is a hero." She also refused to play with the Lego Hulk that Jackson had.
Generally my H isn't a moron but sometimes I wonder.
While you might like to infer that we let her do whatever she wants, we most certainly do not. Yes, I've been lax about tv. But you just cannot infer the rest of our decisions based on that.
Dude, you said you recognized it was not the best idea to let her watch this, but she REALLLLLLY wanted to, and got upset when you started to act like a grown-up about it. So you....let her keep watching it.
I can't imagine why we might infer that you're not big on setting limits and holding to them.
Yes. It started to spiral into her wanting to watch a lot of other scary movies. Movies I felt were inappropriate. I shut that down right away despite her crying over it.
I compromised by allowing TWD because I actually thought it WASN"T THAT BAD. Especially compared to the other stuff that was coming up on the netflix que. But truthfully I have never seen an entire episode. I am in the room with her when she watches it, and yes, I've allowed it. I am acknowledging that it was a mistake. Perhaps I have become desensitized to the violence.
She does not always get what she wants, and I do not always give in to protests.
Also, there is research that shows that some things, like snakes and spiders, have an inherent "scary" factor. Our brains are wired to quickly and easily learn that these are things to be afraid of, and that fear lasts longer, more so than random objects or creatures. Not all fear is taught.
I was at the store of course and now there are five more pages. But in any case, yes, I agree with this. My kid is terrified of ants and no one in this damned house is scared of some stupid ass ants.
He's also afraid of frogs and those soft plastic toys that flop around, something between plastic and goop. He shrieks and runs.
I didn't imply that you were the one thinking this. I was answering your question to find ONE person who said this. Toledo also said in this thread that there must be something wrong with the kid.
Again, I was answering your specific question.
OMG, fucking LOL. I did? Are you sure you're not......twisting what I said? I know, I know, only other people do that.
I didn't say anything about wanting to perform violence. But you're making the argument that the kids model the parent's reactions. I don't find it a positive (or neutral) thing for a three year old to be blase about this level of violence and gore and hopelessness, to normalize it. I find it MORE disturbing that her kid isn't frightened by it.
All I can think is that we all had that one friend growing up that was able to watch things that were inappropriate for their age. It's how I was able to watch Nightmare on Elm Street when I was 7 and come home and torture my dad by not being able to sleep for a week. Hopefully that doesn't sound breezy.
FTR, I don't think it's right and wouldn't let my kid do it.
I didn't imply that you were the one thinking this. I was answering your question to find ONE person who said this. Toledo also said in this thread that there must be something wrong with the kid.
Again, I was answering your specific question.
I really can't figure out why you're so argumentative, mainly. When you say "do you really think the kid is going to grow up to be a serial killer," it implies that I thought it in the first place and you're attempting to confirm, so sorry I misinterpreted.
We're both in agreement about the inappropriateness of this show for toddlers. I don't agree with your conditioned-response theory, but that's a totally separate issue.
My H grew up watching really bad shit at a really early age. Not TWD at 3 but like Freddie Kruger at 7 or so...and Faces of Death at 10. He still talks about how FOD has fucked him up. But he didn't turn into a sociopath or serial killer however he admits that this was BAD PARENTING on his parents part because it kinda killed his childhood. And he would never repeat these mistakes with our daughter. Once you see something, you can't unsee it. Those images are forever.
You only get to be innocent to the horrors of the world for a short period of time. Why squash it so early? It seems cruel.
Shrugs. I thought this would be a unity horse too.
I am more concerned about the lack of empathy the kid might develop.
that combined with a "we let her do whatever the fuck she wants" lead my mind to think that being a sociopath isn't out of the question
While you might like to infer that we let her do whatever she wants, we most certainly do not. Yes, I've been lax about tv. But you just cannot infer the rest of our decisions based on that.
Just so we are all on the same page, it'c called The Walking Dead, as in dead people. It's not The Walking Ded. There aren't gifs and cat videos on this show.
And here I felt bad for scaring my kids with Fern Gully.
We tried watching Jumanji about a week ago and got 20 minutes in. My 7yo now has to sleep with a nightlight on, his door wide open, and the hall light on.
This was me when I saw Gremlins when I was 5 or 6. Damn misleading cuddly Mogwai.
The upside of my H being kind of a dumbass the second time is that now at 4.5, Scarlett is all about Marvel movies so I don't have to get a babysitter or have one of us stay home with her when Age of Ultron comes out!
Actually, the only real people shows my kids watch are MCU movies and Star Wars. According to Jackson, non-animated shows aren't for kids. Hopefully he never decides to check out Archer on our DVR!
I mean, if the bar you are shooting for is as a parent is "not a serial killer" then the walking dead might be a fine choice. lol.
If you are going for the loftier goal of "understands and respects boundaries" then maybe giving in and letting a child watch a developmentally inappropriate show isn't the best choice.
The upside of my H being kind of a dumbass the second time is that now at 4.5, Scarlett is all about Marvel movies so I don't have to get a babysitter or have one of us stay home with her when Age of Ultron comes out!
Actually, the only real people shows my kids watch are MCU movies and Star Wars. According to Jackson, non-animated shows aren't for kids. Hopefully he never decides to check out Archer on our DVR!
That's what BabyLiu says! I flipped past Avengers on tv and said "Hey! Look, it's Iron Man!" She watched about five minutes and said "this isn't for kids mommy. Where's Iron Man for kids?"
Is this where I bring up that I live in a town where high school kids get several days off school to make floats for "Vigilante Days" and then all then the city shuts down (offices and elementary/middle schools) to attend a Vigilante Parade. We have some weird love for posses and vigilantes here.
I have thoughts and feelings based on assumptions I'm making about the roots of festivities known as "Vigilante Days". However, in the interest of reason, please tell me more before I go :?.
Oh, there should be feels with that name... try describing this tradition to someone outside our state and you ALWAYS get a side-eye. I had to go get the reason it was started from the internet b/c my recollection was foggy at best. Also being in MT/out west "Vigilante" or is somewhat celebrated (and it's weird to even say that).
TL/DR - To stop high school class fights in the 1920's (which were bloody messes between juniors and seniors), the local high school started a couple days off to work on a float for a parade. High school students have to research and then put together a historical float based on some long standing business, historical event, or historical activity for the local area. Most are western-themed (mining, stage coaches, gold rush, gambling, horse riding, bands, our local candy shop, etc.).
Longer history from a local website:
Vigilante Parade Was Organized to Stop Bitter Class War
Junior-Senior Class Strife Dangerous to High School Students VARIOUS MEANS OF ELIMINAT ING FAMOUS CLASS FIGHTS WERE TRIED BEFORE VIGILANTE PARADE "CLICKED"
By Mayor Albert J. Roberts, X High School Principal, 1907-1935
(The following history of the Vigilante parade was written by Mayor A. J. Roberts, who was high school principal when the parade was started in 1924, for the high school yearbook, The Vigilante, and is reprinted through permission of the author and Marie Marqas, year-book editor.)
MY ADMINISTRATION of the high school began in September, 1907. Like every new principal, I inherited from my predecessor, or predecessors many school traditions and activities. Some of these were excellent in character and purpose. Others were subversive to discipline, often lawless in character, and in the main hostile to the good work and reputation of the school. The most important, and probably the worst of these was the so-called "senior-junior fight."
This annual event, which injured persons, destroyed property and interrupted the work of the school three or four days each year, had its beginning,we were told, somewhere in the "Gay Nineties" or back in the days of "real sport." Each year between the 1st and 15th of May, and soon after the names of the graduating class had been officially announced, the students on arriving at school in the bright and early spring morning, would behold in great surprise and astonishment the senior banner proudly floating from the topmost tip of the old flag pole, which stood at the time between the high school and central school buildings. This banner bore the class colors, the class numeral and the strange device "Senior."
Very few minutes were wasted. The eager, peppy and belligerent juniors called up their cohorts at once, and prepared with warlike gestures to take the senior banner down and trail it in the dust. The fight was on and it was sanguinary struggle. The battle around the flag pole became fiercer and more dangerous each succeeding year, until eventually by recommendation of the principal, the school board ordered it taken down.
The fight was then transferred to the top of the high school building, where the flag pole, and the two spires recently removed because of earthquake damage, were used to display the victorious banner of the triumphant class. But the fight here became, apparently, more bitter and much more dangerous. It almost took away ones breath to see a half-dozen boys creeping unsteadily along the coping of the roof, or clinging to the highest point of those slender spires, liable to fall to death at any moment.
Driven by order from the building and grounds of the high school, the fight was carried to the streets and alleys, even to the outskirts of the city. Instigated, promoted and prolonged by the old graduates of the high school, and the boys from the college, it entered its last most desperate and warlike period. Not many, of course, but a few boys each year came out of the fray with black eyes, bloody noses, teeth knocked out, faces scratched and bodies bruised, all for the honor of the "biggest and best class ever graduated from the Helena high school."
Many less harniful and better organized oontests were proposed and tried as substitutes for these lawless activities. One year a tug-0f-war, another a baseball game, a third a football game, and finally a wrestling match, which was more desperate and bloody even than the fight itself. But the classes were not satisfied with these regular sports. They were too tame and too religious for their pompous and belligerent spirits. A number of other unsatisfactory activities were inherited by the new principal.
"Sneak Day"
The first of these was "Sneak day." Some pleasant morning, shortly afler the fight was settled, five or six boys would appear very early at school wearing low derbys with mustaches and side whiskers painted on their faces, and otherwise dressed up for a day off. These boys with many others recruited before the opening of school, tried by every means possible to persuade all other students "to sneak" for that day alleging for their excuse that they needed a day of rest alter months of hard work in the study hall and class room. Another irregular activity, but not very objectionable was "Old Clothes day" or "Hard Times day," held at the high school in the morning, followed by a "barn dance" at the gym in the alternoon. It was not held annually but once every three or four years, or when conditions appeared favorable. It was characterized mainly by wearing ragged clothes with hay and straw and alfalfa sticking out of the protruding seams and patches. Finally there was "Costume day." If I remember correctly, this was attempted only once. But it was a good stunt and in my opinion furnished fortunately the basic ideas in feature and display, for the great pageant, which was later called the "Vigilante parade." Many other new and novel ideas suggesting a pageant, pedagogic cure-alls of one kind and another came traipsing into the principal's office. During the months of February and March, 1924, several conferences of representative boys and girls from the senior and junior classes were called to consider these and many other suggestions.
There was at first much opposition among the students to any plan by which it was proposed to eliminate these old traditional activities. Even the principal himself, who was not a bad sport, seemed inclined to regard the "fun" with tolerant hesitation. Was not this the "wild and wooly west"? Was it not the "promised land" of the Indian, the road agent, the vigilante, the pioneer, the cowboy and the miner,;was it not the day of the pack-train, the stage coach, the sluice box, the saloon and gambling house, the old church and the old-time school? All of these early-day features would be incorporated in the big parade it was promised.
Finally after much serious discussion of the situation, and other readjustments of the entire activity program of the upper-classes, it was decided to put on a big historical pageant, in which every boy and girl in High School would have an essential part. The pageant, later called The Vigilante Parade, was intended to present in the main the adventurous life and colorful customs ofthe Montana Pioneer. To the promotion, work and achievement of this program, the Senior and Junior classes gave their wholehearted support, a pledge, which to the present time has been faithfully and diligently observed.
The first Vigilante Parade was held in May, 1924. It was a great success from the start, and has grown bigger and better with each succeeding year. This parade, so little thought of at the time, and then only as a splendid substitute for several lawless activities, has more than any other institution, distinguished the city of X and its High School. From it also thousands of our citizens have obtained a knowledge of the life and customs, of the thrilling story of the early days in the Treasure State.
The upside of my H being kind of a dumbass the second time is that now at 4.5, Scarlett is all about Marvel movies so I don't have to get a babysitter or have one of us stay home with her when Age of Ultron comes out!
we're totally bringing all the kids to the drive-in for this one.
My H grew up watching really bad shit at a really early age. Not TWD at 3 but like Freddie Kruger at 7 or so...and Faces of Death at 10. He still talks about how FOD has fucked him up. But he didn't turn into a sociopath or serial killer however he admits that this was BAD PARENTING on his parents part because it kinda killed his childhood. And he would never repeat these mistakes with our daughter. Once you see something, you can't unsee it. Those images are forever.
You only get to be innocent to the horrors of the world for a short period of time. Why squash it so early? It seems cruel.
Shrugs. I thought this would be a unity horse too.
This is what is killing me, here. It IS a unity horse here that children this age shouldn't be exposed to this kind of violence. What isn't a unity horse (well, almost) is that the OP must be among the world's shittiest parents, worthy of a multi-page pile-on, because she has allowed it on a few occasions.
I don't know how we are onto 8 pages of a topic that's a unity horse. Unity horse topics get what? Half a page? Maybe? That testy Rand Paul post only has 10 responses. That's a unity horse.
When I was a kid, my grandparents had a sweet laser disc player, and i know I watched Poltergeist on it before I was 7 or 8 because that's when we still lived out of town and would stay there. I still refuse to watch those movies to this day. More scarring was watching 10 with Bo Derek on that thing, though. ::shudders::
I also remember watching Pet Cemetary at one point. But the one thing that really stuck with me was Silence of the Lambs. My mom specifically told me not to watch it (we had showtime or HBO and I was old enough to follow rules). I didn't listen and that gave me nightmares for years. It's still the scariest movie ever to me.
This annual event, which injured persons, destroyed property and interrupted the work of the school three or four days each year, had its beginning,we were told, somewhere in the "Gay Nineties" or back in the days of "real sport." Each year between the 1st and 15th of May, and soon after the names of the graduating class had been officially announced, the students on arriving at school in the bright and early spring morning, would behold in great surprise and astonishment the senior banner proudly floating from the topmost tip of the old flag pole, which stood at the time between the high school and central school buildings. This banner bore the class colors, the class numeral and the strange device "Senior."
Very few minutes were wasted. The eager, peppy and belligerent juniors called up their cohorts at once, and prepared with warlike gestures to take the senior banner down and trail it in the dust. The fight was on and it was sanguinary struggle. The battle around the flag pole became fiercer and more dangerous each succeeding year, until eventually by recommendation of the principal, the school board ordered it taken down.
The fight was then transferred to the top of the high school building, where the flag pole, and the two spires recently removed because of earthquake damage, were used to display the victorious banner of the triumphant class. But the fight here became, apparently, more bitter and much more dangerous. It almost took away ones breath to see a half-dozen boys creeping unsteadily along the coping of the roof, or clinging to the highest point of those slender spires, liable to fall to death at any moment.
Driven by order from the building and grounds of the high school, the fight was carried to the streets and alleys, even to the outskirts of the city. Instigated, promoted and prolonged by the old graduates of the high school, and the boys from the college, it entered its last most desperate and warlike period. Not many, of course, but a few boys each year came out of the fray with black eyes, bloody noses, teeth knocked out, faces scratched and bodies bruised, all for the honor of the "biggest and best class ever graduated from the Helena high school."
Many less harniful and better organized oontests were proposed and tried as substitutes for these lawless activities. One year a tug-0f-war, another a baseball game, a third a football game, and finally a wrestling match, which was more desperate and bloody even than the fight itself. But the classes were not satisfied with these regular sports. They were too tame and too religious for their pompous and belligerent spirits. A number of other unsatisfactory activities were inherited by the new principal.
I am bookmarking this for the next time some oldz complain about how kids today are the worst and stupidest ever.
see, I don't even like all that superhero, transformers shit for *MY* kids either. i will totally admit to being pearl clutchy about it.
the movies are PG-13 for a reason.
We don't let them watch the transformers movies because they suck and my husband thinks they have a lot of unnecessary language and sexual stuff. I don't know if they do or not because I don't watch them, but that's what he says about the most recent ones.
I think the fact that the mcu movies have characters they know from animated series is part of why I am okay with it, but also I am not one to follow ratings really. I like to judge on a case by case basis for my kids and what might bother them. R is a hardline no at this point, but may not be in the future (idk it just depends). I mean, I wouldn't let them watch the Christian Bale Batman movies (which I think are R) regardless of rating and knowing the character, because I think they are too dark and too realistic.
Right? She admitted she made a mistake, and people kept hammering on her that "she should have known!" She trusted her husband, and he made a poor choice. Ok, she knows now.
But whatev's kid is going to grow up to have a human skin covered couch.
Do you think that would be comfortable? What would one stuff that with?