Flame free racial thread.

[patbutcher]

Thanks for bumping. I can't believe this thread was over a year ago.

[lindsaymg]

I read this entire thread not knowing that it was old (app doesn't show dates). As DD's was just born when this was posted I wasn't around often at the time and missed this. A very good read, educational and I love hearing perspectives from people of very different backgrounds, racial and socioeconomic.

Thank you for bumping this up. I don't have a ton of valuable comments to add to the other thread, and I sometimes feel like 3 pages of white women saying "sorry this happens, it is bad" doesn't mean anything. There is no real substance so I find myself saying nothing because there is no real meat to my comment. I write it and erase it trying to come up with something valuable to contribute and come up dry.

This was valuable. Thank you. I hope we do this again some day.

[belovedbride07]

Aug 31, 2016 20:42:55 GMT -5 lindsaymg said:

Thank you for bumping this up. I don't have a ton of valuable comments to add to the other thread, and I sometimes feel like 3 pages of white women saying "sorry this happens, it is bad" doesn't mean anything. There is no real substance so I find myself saying nothing because there is no real meat to my comment.

This is where I sit, and I want to ask, how do the WOC posters feel about the "I have nothing to say, but I'm here and I'm learning" responses? As we see in these threads, many posters aren't going to have a substantive contribution, so is a "check in" preferable to nothing?

[katrinabennett]

New question.
Willis posted this.
I regret posting a picture of Cecily Tyson and being amazed at her age (she's 91 and looks fantastic). It's like, wtf Willis. She's not something to be gawked at.

Read more: pandce.proboards.com/thread/549926/longer-post-cute-kids#

Is that rude? To say that someone looks amazing for her age? I'm so confused.
I am not trying to be obtuse (did I even use that word correctly?)
I truly want to avoid being offensive.

[brandienee]

I have a question.

I feel like we (white culture) treat POC as valuable in entertainment. We love black people in sports, and music, and theatre exc exc. In a lot of ways this consumption of black culture feels like going to a museum or zoo (😟) and gaining something knowledgable and going home into our comfortable bubble. As a person who seeks education, how can I check myself to make sure that what I am reading isn't just a form of entertainment?

I feel like an asshole asking this. 😞

ETA: I've been thinking and tossing it around all day. And you know what? Education is more important than feeling comfortable. Voices are meant to be heard, so no. It's not "entertainment" for the sake of it. It's a part of our national dialogue. So I am going to stop feeling like an asshole and educate myself and change accordingly.

[bex]

Sept 1, 2016 5:23:09 GMT -5 @dontcallmeshirley1 said:

Aug 31, 2016 21:00:20 GMT -5 belovedbride07 said:

This is where I sit, and I want to ask, how do the WOC posters feel about the "I have nothing to say, but I'm here and I'm learning" responses? As we see in these threads, many posters aren't going to have a substantive contribution, so is a "check in" preferable to nothing?

I am responding (Not a WOC, full disclosure, but most people know this) because again, this is a question putting the onus onto WOC to tell us how to behave. I like to contextualize situations like this sometimes if I want to check my own fragility in the moment: as a woman, how would I feel if sexist shit on a message board I frequented kept going unchecked and whenever it was finally called out, dudes promised to do better by reading and listening, but the same shit kept happening? I would get super fed up and tired as hell of explaining to these guys why in order to do better, they have to call shit when they see it and not let it slide. 

Right. (also not a WOC.)  The "reading and listening" posts are good, I think, but if they come from a hollow place, then they will be interpreted as such. Coming into a thread like the "cute kids" one late and making comments distancing yourself from the offending comments can be hollow, if the point is only to distance yourself from those comments. If the point is to provide support for the WOC, I think that comes across.

But when this shit keeps happening, its hard to feel that we are doing a good job of providing support.

[anna7602]

Do white people feel like they need to apologize for Trump as often as I felt like I needed to apologize for Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz during the primaries? 

[bex]

Sept 1, 2016 7:00:09 GMT -5 anna7602 said:

Do white people feel like they need to apologize for Trump as often as I felt like I needed to apologize for Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz during the primaries? 

Yes. I think he is embarrassing as a white person and as an American. If I were a white male, I think I would be even more embarrassed.

I'm embarrassed for people when I see Trump signs in their yard. I feel like I need to assure minorities, particularly Hispanics, that not all white people agree with him.

[aspentosh]

Sept 1, 2016 7:00:09 GMT -5 anna7602 said:

Do white people feel like they need to apologize for Trump as often as I felt like I needed to apologize for Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz during the primaries? 

Yes. Very much so. 

Then I remember that POC are probably so used to assholes like this that it's nothing new for them. 

[Deleted]

Sept 1, 2016 7:00:09 GMT -5 anna7602 said:

Do white people feel like they need to apologize for Trump as often as I felt like I needed to apologize for Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz during the primaries? 

Yes, but it feels different to me than you feeling like you need to apologize for Rubio or Cruz. As I sit here and think about this, my initial reaction was absolutely. He is disgusting and I am absolutely mortified that we have allowed someone like this to be in a position where he represents one of the top two contenders for President. What does that say about us as a country? It's deeply disturbing to me.

But, at the same time, the way I feel the need to apologize for him, I think probably feels differently than the way you did. Your need to apologize likely comes with a deep rooted need to push back against Hispanic racism. So while yes, on the surface you apologizing for them is doing the same thing I would do, saying hey, not all Hispanics are like these two, there is much more to it than me saying, hey all white people arent like Trump. I don't need to fight against some deeply ingrained racism/sterotype etc. That people may have held about white people.

My need to apologize for Trump''s disgusting behavior feels different. Yes, I'm apologizing because I don't agree with him and don't want everyone to think that all white people think the way he does. But even saying that, I'm coming from a position of privilege and I don't have to worry about how people perceive me as a white person in my daily life.

I'm having a hard time articulating what I'm saying. Basically yes, I absolutely feel the need to apologize for him, but I'm guessing it feels different than it does for you simply based on the fact that he is white and there isn't as much to fight against if that makes sense. I think there is an unfair burden on minorities to apologize for the poor behavior of one minority than there is on whites to apologize for the poor behavior of another white person.

[genet313]

Sept 1, 2016 7:00:09 GMT -5 anna7602 said:

Do white people feel like they need to apologize for Trump as often as I felt like I needed to apologize for Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz during the primaries? 

Not remotely.   One ignorant asshole does not define all white people.   But I've also never attributed Rubio and Cruz's political positions to their being Hispanic.   Maybe I can attribute their pro-life stances to also being Catholic. But, as a pro-choice Catholic myself I can understand their position given my upbringing and it doesn't make me apologetic as a Catholic.

[ECB]

somewhat following on what genet313 said, I don't feel I need to apologize for Trump as much as I feel the need to state that I'm horribly embarrassed and horrified that this man has actually risen to where he is because of ignorant white people. I want to do everything in my power to say "THAT'S NOT ME!!! THAT'S NOT WHAT I THINK!!!".

[redheadbaker]

Sept 1, 2016 7:00:09 GMT -5 anna7602 said:

Do white people feel like they need to apologize for Trump as often as I felt like I needed to apologize for Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz during the primaries? 

I feel the need to apologize to my Scottish family members, in a #NotAllAmericans kind of way. But not because he's white.

[anna7602]

Sept 1, 2016 5:23:09 GMT -5 @dontcallmeshirley1 said:

Aug 31, 2016 21:00:20 GMT -5 belovedbride07 said:

This is where I sit, and I want to ask, how do the WOC posters feel about the "I have nothing to say, but I'm here and I'm learning" responses? As we see in these threads, many posters aren't going to have a substantive contribution, so is a "check in" preferable to nothing?

I am responding (Not a WOC, full disclosure, but most people know this) because again, this is a question putting the onus onto WOC to tell us how to behave. I like to contextualize situations like this sometimes if I want to check my own fragility in the moment: as a woman, how would I feel if sexist shit on a message board I frequented kept going unchecked and whenever it was finally called out, dudes promised to do better by reading and listening, but the same shit kept happening? I would get super fed up and tired as hell of explaining to these guys why in order to do better, they have to call shit when they see it and not let it slide. 

Along these lines, I see the "I'm not racist, my children are bi-racial!" statement as ridiculous as if a man were to say, "I'm not sexist, I'm married to a woman and have two daughters!"

[anna7602]

Sept 1, 2016 9:20:55 GMT -5 redheadbaker said:

Sept 1, 2016 7:00:09 GMT -5 anna7602 said:

Do white people feel like they need to apologize for Trump as often as I felt like I needed to apologize for Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz during the primaries? 

I feel the need to apologize to my Scottish family members, in a #NotAllAmericans kind of way. But not because he's white.

Well, yes, I often feel like I need to apologize to all of my friends and family members outside the U.S. for the rise of Trump, for gun violence, for police brutality, etc. 

[elleblue]

Sept 1, 2016 8:39:47 GMT -5 genet313 said:

Sept 1, 2016 7:00:09 GMT -5 anna7602 said:

Do white people feel like they need to apologize for Trump as often as I felt like I needed to apologize for Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz during the primaries? 

Not remotely.   One ignorant asshole does not define all white people.   But I've also never attributed Rubio and Cruz's political positions to their being Hispanic.   Maybe I can attribute their pro-life stances to also being Catholic. But, as a pro-choice Catholic myself I can understand their position given my upbringing and it doesn't make me apologetic as a Catholic.

This - and I'm going to try to say this gently - is part of white privilege though. White has been the default for so long we aren't held accountable for the actions or opinions of one white person. The same cannot be said about black people, Muslims, etc. Look at the expectations after a mass shooting - the Muslim community had to speak out and denounce the horrendous event in Florida. Who spoke out after Charleston and emphasized #notallwhitepeople? No one. Because we're not judged by the actions of one. It's time we take responsibility for the ugliness in the white community and do something about it. We should be ashamed and angry when white people say and do horrible things. Disavowing Trump is the first step. 

[katrinabennett]

Sept 1, 2016 9:25:44 GMT -5 elleblue said:

Sept 1, 2016 8:39:47 GMT -5 genet313 said:

Not remotely.   One ignorant asshole does not define all white people.   But I've also never attributed Rubio and Cruz's political positions to their being Hispanic.   Maybe I can attribute their pro-life stances to also being Catholic. But, as a pro-choice Catholic myself I can understand their position given my upbringing and it doesn't make me apologetic as a Catholic.

This - and I'm going to try to say this gently - is part of white privilege though. White has been the default for so long we aren't held accountable for the actions or opinions of one white person. The same cannot be said about black people, Muslims, etc. Look at the expectations after a mass shooting - the Muslim community had to speak out and denounce the horrendous event in Florida. Who spoke out after Charleston and emphasized #notallwhitepeople? No one. Because we're not judged by the actions of one. It's time we take responsibility for the ugliness in the white community and do something about it. We should be ashamed and angry when white people say and do horrible things. Disavowing Trump is the first step. 

I totally agree with you and I hate that Any group that is not white is all painted with one brush but white people are never grouped together.
However, I also think if white people say 'but I'm not like that' when another white group says or does something horrible - it's a bit off the mark.
Disavowing Trump is not the same as saying 'not all white people' most definitely.

[glauren]

I'm still catching up on all of this, but anna7602 no - I don't feel the need to apologize for Trump because my privilege allows me to not be judged by the actions of one lunatic. I hate him and oppose all he stands for - loudly - but I'm sure that is much different from how you feel w/r/t Cruz and Rubio.

[glauren]

elleblue said it much more eloquently; I'm too slow.

[elleblue]

Sept 1, 2016 9:31:15 GMT -5 katrinabennett said:

Sept 1, 2016 9:25:44 GMT -5 elleblue said:

This - and I'm going to try to say this gently - is part of white privilege though. White has been the default for so long we aren't held accountable for the actions or opinions of one white person. The same cannot be said about black people, Muslims, etc. Look at the expectations after a mass shooting - the Muslim community had to speak out and denounce the horrendous event in Florida. Who spoke out after Charleston and emphasized #notallwhitepeople? No one. Because we're not judged by the actions of one. It's time we take responsibility for the ugliness in the white community and do something about it. We should be ashamed and angry when white people say and do horrible things. Disavowing Trump is the first step. 

I totally agree with you and I hate that Any group that is not white is all painted with one brush but white people are never grouped together.
However, I also think if white people say 'but I'm not like that' when another white group says or does something horrible - it's a bit off the mark.
Disavowing Trump is not the same as saying 'not all white people' most definitely.

Absolutely. Someone saying "I'm not like that" is not at all the same as speaking out and condemning hateful words and actions. Invoking the "I" is gratuitously self serving and usually rings hollow because the purpose of that type of statement is to distance oneself and not take responsibility. I'm saying it's time to step up and start taking responsibility for those in the white community who continue to foster oppression through their words and deeds. Trump is now the figurehead for those people, we've watched them become more vocal as they've become more emboldened this last year because of his hateful rhetoric. There's a difference between standing up and saying "I'm not like that" or "I'm not one of those white people" and instead making it clear that he does not speak for the majority as he is trying to claim. 

[redheadbaker]

Sept 1, 2016 9:25:44 GMT -5 elleblue said:

This - and I'm going to try to say this gently - is part of white privilege though. White has been the default for so long we aren't held accountable for the actions or opinions of one white person. The same cannot be said about black people, Muslims, etc. Look at the expectations after a mass shooting - the Muslim community had to speak out and denounce the horrendous event in Florida. Who spoke out after Charleston and emphasized #notallwhitepeople? No one. Because we're not judged by the actions of one. It's time we take responsibility for the ugliness in the white community and do something about it. We should be ashamed and angry when white people say and do horrible things. Disavowing Trump is the first step. 

Excellent point.

[genet313]

Sept 1, 2016 9:25:44 GMT -5 elleblue said:

Sept 1, 2016 8:39:47 GMT -5 genet313 said:

Not remotely.   One ignorant asshole does not define all white people.   But I've also never attributed Rubio and Cruz's political positions to their being Hispanic.   Maybe I can attribute their pro-life stances to also being Catholic. But, as a pro-choice Catholic myself I can understand their position given my upbringing and it doesn't make me apologetic as a Catholic.

This - and I'm going to try to say this gently - is part of white privilege though. White has been the default for so long we aren't held accountable for the actions or opinions of one white person. The same cannot be said about black people, Muslims, etc. Look at the expectations after a mass shooting - the Muslim community had to speak out and denounce the horrendous event in Florida. Who spoke out after Charleston and emphasized #notallwhitepeople? No one. Because we're not judged by the actions of one. It's time we take responsibility for the ugliness in the white community and do something about it. We should be ashamed and angry when white people say and do horrible things. Disavowing Trump is the first step. 

I disagree.  If I were going to use, or expect, one non-white person to represent and speak for that non-white person's entire racial group, then, absolutely, that is wrong.  That's more than privilege, that is racist.   Which is why I said I don't see the need for any Hispanic person to denounce Rubio/Cruz for their views simply because they're Hispanic.  I don't believe Cruz or Rubio represent all Hispanics and I don't believe Trump represents all white people.  I don't expect the entire Muslim community to defend the actions of one Muslim who committed a heinous act largely because of what was likely his individual mental illness.  I completely understand your point, but it doesn't make the converse of my argument true. 

I'm not trying to suggest I don't have white privilege at all, because I know I do and I know there are ways I can combat that privilege.  I just don't think this is representative of my white privilege.   And, I'm not speaking for all white people, I'm speaking for myself. 

ETA: grammar and, also, maybe this is my own idiotic optimism, but I firmly believe that we as a country are going to denounce Trump is the most powerful way possible come November by not electing him.  

[elleblue]

Sept 1, 2016 9:43:23 GMT -5 genet313 said:

Sept 1, 2016 9:25:44 GMT -5 elleblue said:

This - and I'm going to try to say this gently - is part of white privilege though. White has been the default for so long we aren't held accountable for the actions or opinions of one white person. The same cannot be said about black people, Muslims, etc. Look at the expectations after a mass shooting - the Muslim community had to speak out and denounce the horrendous event in Florida. Who spoke out after Charleston and emphasized #notallwhitepeople? No one. Because we're not judged by the actions of one. It's time we take responsibility for the ugliness in the white community and do something about it. We should be ashamed and angry when white people say and do horrible things. Disavowing Trump is the first step. 

I disagree.  If I were going to use, or expect, one non-white person to represent and speak for that non-white person's entire racial group, then, absolutely, that is wrong.  That's more than privilege, that is racist.   Which is why I said I don't see the need for any Hispanic person to denounce Rubio/Cruz for their views simply because they're Hispanic.  I don't believe Cruz or Rubio represent all Hispanics and I don't believe Trump represents all white people.  I don't expect the entire Muslim community to defend the actions of one Muslim who committed a heinous act largely because of what was like his individual mental illness.  I completely understand your point about taking action against ugliness, but that's a separate issue.  It doesn't make the converse true. 

I'm not trying to suggest I don't have white privilege at all, because I know I do and I know there are ways I can combat that privilege.  I just don't think this is representative of my white privilege.   And, I'm not speaking for all white people, I'm speaking for myself. 

That's great that you don't expect one Muslim to represent all or one black person to represent all, etc, but that's not the reality we're dealing with. Our current society demands it. So where do we go from here with this unequal treatment? There is no minority equivalent of Trump. And he's rallying the hateful people in this country behind him. Like it or not, things have changed for our neighbors and we need to make it clear that Trump, the opinions he holds and the people who believe what he does are counter to the fundamental ideals of this country. 

The woc on these boards have repeatedly expressed discomfort with unknown white people because they're unsure when or if the other shoe will drop and something hateful will be said, purposefully or not, intent doesn't change the impact. So what do we do, both here and elsewhere? We speak up when people say or do racist or bigoted things. Isn't the whole point of all of this *waves hands around* to help white people understand and spot microagressions so we can work to shut them down? We cannot leave that burden to woc alone. 

[genet313]

Sept 1, 2016 10:00:05 GMT -5 elleblue said:

Sept 1, 2016 9:43:23 GMT -5 genet313 said:

That's great that you don't expect one Muslim to represent all or one black person to represent all, etc, but that's not the reality we're dealing with. Our current society demands it. So where do we go from here with this unequal treatment? There is no minority equivalent of Trump. And he's rallying the hateful people in this country behind him. Like it or not, things have changed for our neighbors and we need to make it clear that Trump, the opinions he holds and the people who believe what he does are counter to the fundamental ideals of this country. 

The woc on these boards have repeatedly expressed discomfort with unknown white people because they're unsure when or if the other shoe will drop and something hateful will be said, purposefully or not, intent doesn't change the impact. So what do we do, both here and elsewhere? We speak up when people say or do racist or bigoted things. Isn't the whole point of all of this *waves hands around* to help white people understand and spot microagressions so we can work to shut them down? We cannot leave that burden to woc alone. 

I completely agree with you, particularly the bolded.  I'm certainly not suggesting that we leave the burden to WOC at all. And I don't disagree with you that we, as individuals, can do better to combat racism/prejudice/microaggressions/etc, both on GBCN and at large. Are there ways I can combat my own white privilege? Absolutely and I'll try to do my best to do that both here and in my real life.  In the end, Trump's not getting my vote and that is the most powerful statement I can make as an American of majority voting age. 

[Deleted]

Sept 1, 2016 9:43:23 GMT -5 genet313 said:

Sept 1, 2016 9:25:44 GMT -5 elleblue said:

This - and I'm going to try to say this gently - is part of white privilege though. White has been the default for so long we aren't held accountable for the actions or opinions of one white person. The same cannot be said about black people, Muslims, etc. Look at the expectations after a mass shooting - the Muslim community had to speak out and denounce the horrendous event in Florida. Who spoke out after Charleston and emphasized #notallwhitepeople? No one. Because we're not judged by the actions of one. It's time we take responsibility for the ugliness in the white community and do something about it. We should be ashamed and angry when white people say and do horrible things. Disavowing Trump is the first step. 

I disagree.  If I were going to use, or expect, one non-white person to represent and speak for that non-white person's entire racial group, then, absolutely, that is wrong.  That's more than privilege, that is racist.   Which is why I said I don't see the need for any Hispanic person to denounce Rubio/Cruz for their views simply because they're Hispanic.  I don't believe Cruz or Rubio represent all Hispanics and I don't believe Trump represents all white people.  I don't expect the entire Muslim community to defend the actions of one Muslim who committed a heinous act largely because of what was likely his individual mental illness.  I completely understand your point, but it doesn't make the converse of my argument true. 

I'm not trying to suggest I don't have white privilege at all, because I know I do and I know there are ways I can combat that privilege.  I just don't think this is representative of my white privilege.   And, I'm not speaking for all white people, I'm speaking for myself. 

ETA: grammar and, also, maybe this is my own idiotic optimism, but I firmly believe that we as a country are going to denounce Trump is the most powerful way possible come November by not electing him.  

But you see, as elleblue pointed out, there in lies the problem and your privilege. You may not expect one Muslim to speak for all, but society as a whole does. The fact that you don't feel the need to apologize for Trump is because you know, either out right or subconsciously because it is just so ingrained and known that no one will judge you based on on his behaviors. One white person do not speak for all white people is generally accepted in society. The same cannot be said for minorities. Every time Isis attacks, people call for Muslims to denounce these acts. Or if a black person kills a white officer, the rest of the black community better stand up and denounce that.

So yes, we should feel compelled to "apologize" for Trump and all the other racist people in this world. We need to do more than just not vote for him. We need to stand up and use our voices because as mentioned, it is entirely inappropriate/unfair/ridiculous to expect POC to be the ones doing this. But as I said in my other post, my need to apologize for Trump is different than anna7602 feeling she needs to apologize for Rubio or Cruz because it all goes back to white privilege, racism, and what society expects.

[glauren]

Sept 1, 2016 10:45:35 GMT -5 genet313 said:

Sept 1, 2016 10:00:05 GMT -5 elleblue said:

That's great that you don't expect one Muslim to represent all or one black person to represent all, etc, but that's not the reality we're dealing with. Our current society demands it. So where do we go from here with this unequal treatment? There is no minority equivalent of Trump. And he's rallying the hateful people in this country behind him. Like it or not, things have changed for our neighbors and we need to make it clear that Trump, the opinions he holds and the people who believe what he does are counter to the fundamental ideals of this country. 

The woc on these boards have repeatedly expressed discomfort with unknown white people because they're unsure when or if the other shoe will drop and something hateful will be said, purposefully or not, intent doesn't change the impact. So what do we do, both here and elsewhere? We speak up when people say or do racist or bigoted things. Isn't the whole point of all of this *waves hands around* to help white people understand and spot microagressions so we can work to shut them down? We cannot leave that burden to woc alone. 

I completely agree with you, particularly the bolded.  I'm certainly not suggesting that we leave the burden to WOC at all. And I don't disagree with you that we, as individuals, can do better to combat racism/prejudice/microaggressions/etc, both on GBCN and at large. Are there ways I can combat my own white privilege? Absolutely and I'll try to do my best to do that both here and in my real life.  In the end, Trump's not getting my vote and that is the most powerful statement I can make as an American of majority voting age. 

See, I don't think the bolded is true, because HRC hasn't been a very good advocate for POC either. 

[Velar Fricative]

Look at how often white people are calling for "black leaders" to say/do something about "black on black crime." White privilege allows those of us who are white to automatically be given the benefit of the doubt when a white person does something heinous. We look at every other minority group and demand their "leaders" to speak up or else we continue to just consider them all guilty by racial/ethnic/religious association.

I mean, I can't tell you how many times I see articles on FB where a bunch of white commenters are immediately all like, "Hey, why isn't Al Sharpton protesting about this?" when a black suspect is involved in a crime. Meanwhile, Dylann Roof is just a white man with a mental illness and none of us are responsible for that. Except that we are.

As for Trump, the reason for his rise can be attributed to (among other things, of course) the fact that we just let white people skate by when they make gross comments. How many times do we talk about how Great Aunt Sally said some ignorant racist bullshit at Thanksgiving dinner but oh, she's just being her typical Great Aunt Sally self? Great Aunt Sally has gone on just being who she is without any pushback and that includes voting for Trump. There are millions of Great Aunt Sallys. So in that way, yes, white people should apologize for Trump. It's not enough that *we* aren't racist.

[glauren]

Sept 1, 2016 11:29:09 GMT -5 @littlemoxie said:

Sept 1, 2016 11:24:28 GMT -5 glauren said:

See, I don't think the bolded is true, because HRC hasn't been a very good advocate for POC either. 

But the topic is whether all white people feel the need to apologize for Trump.

I don't think she really thinks not voting for Trump means she's done for this year/life.

You're right - sorry, genet313 I completely misread and went back again. I agree; we should feel the need to apologize for Trump and spell out why. I share your hope of the outcome of this election in November.

[Poppy]

Just like the other post is no longer about cute kids, this is no longer a flame free racial thread.

As @246baje already said, the point of bumping was to demonstrate that it's been over a year, the WOC here have already tried the patient and gentle approach even though that's not their responsibility, and we're still promising to do better but it's looking pretty insincere.

[anna7602]

Sept 1, 2016 12:25:31 GMT -5 Poppy said:

Just like the other post is no longer about cute kids, this is no longer a flame free racial thread.

As @246baje already said, the point of bumping was to demonstrate that it's been over a year, the WOC here have already tried the patient and gentle approach even though that's not their responsibility, and we're still promising to do better but it's looking pretty insincere.

Duly noted. Forgive me for posting a question. I misread the intent of bumping this. 
ETA: But I greatly appreciate the time that posters took to answer me.