So, are we talking about that MMM thread..

[05heel]

Jan 26, 2016 13:08:30 GMT -5 mofongo said:

So, to get this straight, people are truly ok with kirkette's insane, threatening post to booby?

Oh yes.  Definitely.

ANYWAY.  What I'm saying is that I can 100% understand how intensely angry Kirkette is.  I give not a single fuck if you don't get it, but enough with all the surprise and concern.  Just be glad you don't understand and move along.  I'm happy for you!  And since people are so literal...no, I'm not down with threats.  If I were, I'd make them myself.  I don't because it's not right. (God, this is painful.  Lol. )  And interestingly enough, I've found it very easy to avoid threats of harm from internet strangers.  Am I some kind of magical wizard, or do I just have a smidge of common sense?  Deep thoughts.

[cleo29]

Jan 26, 2016 13:22:56 GMT -5 Elsa said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:21:50 GMT -5 themoneytree said:

She said she has done just that. She said her husband has a file and her family is involved. She said she has taken people to court.

Are you saying she's exaggerating?

Inappropriate coworker or a group that is harassing her IRL is very different than an online msg board spat. Come on now.

I totally agree, but then why go there. Why say you start to mess with me, get me angry and you will feel the consequences?

I am not saying that she will or won't, but why even mention it along with the details of what she has done to people in the past?

[fryjack2]

How do we decipher what is a real threat and what isn't?

Especially when the person saying them is insisting they are real? And bragging about having followed through on what she has threatening?

Just to clarify, I'm not taking sides. A lot of ridiculousness has been said by both posters who I generally like.

[FastHands]

Jan 26, 2016 13:26:57 GMT -5 05heel said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:08:30 GMT -5 mofongo said:

So, to get this straight, people are truly ok with kirkette's insane, threatening post to booby?

Oh yes.  Definitely.

ANYWAY.  What I'm saying is that I can 100% understand how intensely angry Kirkette is.  I give not a single fuck if you don't get it, but enough with all the surprise and concern.  Just be glad you don't understand and move along.  I'm happy for you!  And since people are so literal...no, I'm not down with threats.  If I were, I'd make them myself.  I don't because it's not right. (God, this is painful.  Lol. )  And interestingly enough, I've found it very easy to avoid threats of harm from internet strangers.  Am I some kind of magical wizard, or do I just have a smidge of common sense?  Deep thoughts.

I really want to threaten you out of principle at this point.

[FastHands]

Jan 26, 2016 13:27:36 GMT -5 Que? said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:19:48 GMT -5 pixy0stix said:

I don't think kirkette is going to do anything.

I *am* tired as hell of booby going after random posters for nothing. She's tried to come for me twice. It was inevitable that someone was going to respond to hyperbole with hyperbole.

She wrote paragraphs of threats and assurances that she meant it. I don't know how serious booby should take that, but it didn't seem like hyperbole. If it was, it's both loony and sort of embarrassing.

I agree wholeheartedly with the bolded. I'm not sure if she intended it as hyperbole or not, but either way it came off like "I am the great and powerful Oz," and I give it about the same amount of reverence. 

[05heel]

Jan 26, 2016 13:30:15 GMT -5 FastHands said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:26:57 GMT -5 05heel said:

Oh yes.  Definitely.

ANYWAY.  What I'm saying is that I can 100% understand how intensely angry Kirkette is.  I give not a single fuck if you don't get it, but enough with all the surprise and concern.  Just be glad you don't understand and move along.  I'm happy for you!  And since people are so literal...no, I'm not down with threats.  If I were, I'd make them myself.  I don't because it's not right. (God, this is painful.  Lol. )  And interestingly enough, I've found it very easy to avoid threats of harm from internet strangers.  Am I some kind of magical wizard, or do I just have a smidge of common sense?  Deep thoughts.

I really want to threaten you out of principle at this point.

You should!  But now it won't be a surprise, and isn't that what everyone really wants?  To be shocked and surprised and just...aghast! 

[Lucy Honeychurch]

Jan 26, 2016 13:30:15 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

How do we decipher what is a real threat and what isn't?

Especially when the person saying them is insisting they are real? And bragging about having followed through on what she has threatening?

Just to clarify, I'm not taking sides. A lot of ridiculousness has been said by both posters who I generally like.

I'm here.  Threatening, to me, is enough.  I don't care to debate the merits of whether or not she really can or would follow through.  The plain fact is, people HAVE followed through on that shit around here, and I am absolutely not here for a board that sits back and is all, "Well, she deserved it; she was a bit of a cunt in that thread."

[FastHands]

Jan 26, 2016 13:32:19 GMT -5 05heel said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:30:15 GMT -5 FastHands said:

I really want to threaten you out of principle at this point.

You should!  But now it won't be a surprise, and isn't that what everyone really wants?  To be shocked and surprised and just...aghast! 

*sigh* I know.
But I at least claimed the intention. I planted the flag. *eyebrow waggle*

[silva]

Have we already forgotten the stumpy's boss being contacted and (not so related) firing or the great ML lawsuit? HELLO!!?

[FastHands]

Jan 26, 2016 13:32:26 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:30:15 GMT -5 fryjack2 said:

How do we decipher what is a real threat and what isn't?

Especially when the person saying them is insisting they are real? And bragging about having followed through on what she has threatening?

Just to clarify, I'm not taking sides. A lot of ridiculousness has been said by both posters who I generally like.

I'm here.  Threatening, to me, is enough.  I don't care to debate the merits of whether or not she really can or would follow through.  The plain fact is, people HAVE followed through on that shit around here, and I am absolutely not here for a board that sits back and is all, "Well, she deserved it; she was a bit of a cunt in that thread."

People. No one is really saying this. 

[bcv513]

Jan 26, 2016 13:29:47 GMT -5 freedom said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:18:37 GMT -5 bcv513 said:

Honestly, I find it worse than the neck stab thing. Especially after kirkette seemed to be fearing for her children's safety because of booby

How is this worse than the neck stab thing?

I just think going from this:

"However, do I know for a fact that she is blatantly TARGETING ME, and it makes me highly uncomfortable especially since I have children.

to this:

"Like, "Mr.Kirkette has started an e-file of pilotgrigio 's creeptastic stalkerish behavior, just in case she snaps" levels of old money.

Don't push me to get angry. You do not want me to really get upset with you. I said those words about being fired, or going to jail because I'm sending you a message.

Here in America, when you keep targeting the youngest black girl, from very a powerful fucking family, after she's told you to stop, multiple times, but now it's to the point where her family gets concerned for her safety from an online creeper (seriously, weren't you bragging about stalking bloggers and getting banned?), things will not end well for you."

in a span of two hours is unsettling.

[Lucy Honeychurch]

Jan 26, 2016 13:33:55 GMT -5 FastHands said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:32:26 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

I'm here.  Threatening, to me, is enough.  I don't care to debate the merits of whether or not she really can or would follow through.  The plain fact is, people HAVE followed through on that shit around here, and I am absolutely not here for a board that sits back and is all, "Well, she deserved it; she was a bit of a cunt in that thread."

People. No one is really saying this. 

The main thrust of what I'm hearing is, "Well, don't go after people then."  

[iammalcolmx]

Jan 26, 2016 13:33:48 GMT -5 silva said:

Have we already forgotten the stumpy's boss being contacted and (not so related) firing or the great ML lawsuit? HELLO!!?

She got fired? How did I forget the fired part?

[pixy0stix]

Jan 26, 2016 13:35:43 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:33:55 GMT -5 FastHands said:

People. No one is really saying this. 

The main thrust of what I'm hearing is, "Well, don't go after people then."  

I think it got to this point because of the racial insensitivity going on as well. Unlike most online spats you just kinda go at it and at the end of the day you go home. When you start touching the deep down root of what makes people tick, and then you keep insisting that you did nothing wrong, well... that's going to make someone step to your face, internet persona be damned.

I'm not giving kirkette a pass. It was over the line. However, I can see how she got there.

[Deleted]

Jan 26, 2016 12:46:41 GMT -5 @jezebel said:

I made my money buying dinosaurs.

Awww that's cute. My father... the INVENTOR of the dinosaur .... would be happy to hear it. 

[FastHands]

Jan 26, 2016 13:35:43 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:33:55 GMT -5 FastHands said:

People. No one is really saying this. 

The main thrust of what I'm hearing is, "Well, don't go after people then."  

Well for one thing, I don't think there is a main thrust ANYWHERE at this point. lol 
And if there is any undercurrent, I think it's a "WTF just happened, that shit is not ok."

[Deleted]

1. Y'all. If you think someone is crazy, you just smile at them. You don't point out all the ways you think they are crazy in front of them.
2. Yes, Booby is "just being Booby". There's got to be a way to acknowledge that while also acknowledging the points brought up by WOC posters and not minimizing that. It is possible for someone to be shit in a multifaceted way, but one of the factors carrying more weight. Like, if someone goes to trial, their defense attorney isn't all "Look, just because my client stabbed this puppy, he's not apologizing because like, he didn't know he was stabbing it even though he stalked it through an alley way for weeks with a knife. And the puppies not a big deal because like, sometimes my client is a real dick to kittens and hides the catnip. That's just how he is, that saucy scamp!"
3. These conversations always pop up because we divert from the important stuff when it gets uncomfortable, myself included. It's a shit habit.
4. Like, Kirkette, don't threaten people. What.
5. These anecdotal rich people posts are fucking lame and off topic. Like we're all cozy with the Vanderbilts or someshit, please.
6. "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing" works for road rage, should probably apply to the Internet too.

[Deleted]

Jan 26, 2016 9:11:40 GMT -5 v said:

Jan 26, 2016 8:55:56 GMT -5 cville said:

You've got to be kidding me. You're taking up for the "ethnicity" of motherfucking CHICKEN?

You really don't think lumping several cultures' food together isn't offensive to the Peruvians who are not Cuban?

At any rate, off to a funeral so I'll be MIA for the rest of the day...

WHAT THE FUCK. I wasn't saying it was insensitive. I was saying it was funny there was this uber hipster chatter about different ways of cooking chicken- seemingly to illustrate cultural sophistication or something like that - while a legitimate discussion about race was being ignored in the background. It was like a caricature, but I wasn't offended by it. I wasn't the one having the discussion.

But. I cannot fucking believe you think that was insensitive to the chicken. Dude. I didn't know chickens had a racial identity. But I apologize to your pallete for not properly crediting how diverse it is.

[FastHands]

Jan 26, 2016 13:41:29 GMT -5 @koko said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:32:26 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

I'm here.  Threatening, to me, is enough.  I don't care to debate the merits of whether or not she really can or would follow through.  The plain fact is, people HAVE followed through on that shit around here, and I am absolutely not here for a board that sits back and is all, "Well, she deserved it; she was a bit of a cunt in that thread."

Right.  So, I think that if we're going to be honest, people have threatened people on here before.  Sometimes it comes off as ridiculous and clownish, sometimes it comes off as "WTF?!"  So if you feel threatening is enough, then I should probably be banned from here.  Seriously.  Because I've said I was going to pop people in their face before, so if me actually being able or willing to follow through doesn't matter then I guess I should be X'd.  

I'm not being facetious, I'm trying to get to figuring out if people are actually upset about the threatening, or upset about the threatening because of who it is/what context it was in.  Maybe this goes back to 05Heel and her everybody acting shocked.  It's not that they were okay, it's that people are genuinely acting like this is the first time this has ever happened and we all need to be afraid for ourselves.

I do think it's somewhat different by the way it was presented. The threats were preceded by basically a resume. If your threats were preceded by your accolades as a mercenery, I think they would likewise make people unfreaking-comfortable. It was definitely presented as a true and honest threat (she literally almost said "you won't like me when I'm angry,") which rings very differently than "I'm going to send you a goose, you asshole." 

[Lucy Honeychurch]

Jan 26, 2016 13:41:29 GMT -5 @koko said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:32:26 GMT -5 Lucy Honeychurch said:

I'm here.  Threatening, to me, is enough.  I don't care to debate the merits of whether or not she really can or would follow through.  The plain fact is, people HAVE followed through on that shit around here, and I am absolutely not here for a board that sits back and is all, "Well, she deserved it; she was a bit of a cunt in that thread."

Right.  So, I think that if we're going to be honest, people have threatened people on here before.  Sometimes it comes off as ridiculous and clownish, sometimes it comes off as "WTF?!"  So if you feel threatening is enough, then I should probably be banned from here.  Seriously.  Because I've said I was going to pop people in their face before, so if me actually being able or willing to follow through doesn't matter then I guess I should be X'd.  

I'm not being facetious, I'm trying to get to figuring out if people are actually upset about the threatening, or upset about the threatening because of who it is/what context it was in.  Maybe this goes back to 05Heel and her everybody acting shocked.  It's not that they were okay, it's that people are genuinely acting like this is the first time this has ever happened and we all need to be afraid for ourselves.

For me, threatening to have someone fired, claiming to have done so in the past, and specifically telling them this is a warning to them?  That's fucking frightening to me.  If you told me you were going to pop me in the face, I'd laugh at you and be all YOU HAVE TO CATCH ME FIRST. 

I am upset about the nature of the threats.  I think kirkette had valid points, and I think booby probably poked her too hard in too sensitive a place.  I am on neither one's real side here; but specific, pinpointed threats against someone are not okay in my book, regardless of who writes them.  

I AM shocked when people threaten others IRL.  I was shocked when it happened to Stumpy.  I was shocked when amoosed outed pagas's name.  I am shocked just about every time it happens, because it's such a boundary cross for me that I can't conceive of doing it to anyone else. 

I get that Kirkette was and is angry, and I think she has a right to be where booby is concerned.  I am not down with threatening someone's livelihood and thus family offline, or talking about ruining someone's life offline.  

[Deleted]

I don't want to minimize the threatening, at all. Crazy stuff has happened.

[miso]

Ugh. I said I wasn't going to get involved.

But I really want to AW my kid because she is two today, and I will look like I'm looking the other way if I start that AW thread without addressing this elephant thread in the room, right? So here I am.

I've "known" @booby for years. Years! There is nothing about her that is remotely threatening or cruel. Occasional Mean Girls behavior? Of course. I can't judge that. I am guilty of that myself occasionally. And let's be serious -- we are all on ML. @booby is here for shits and giggles just like the rest of us. She loves her kid. She loves her family and friends. She loves celebrity gossip. A lot of us have this in common.

@kirkette is my IRL friend. We had tacos together Friday night! She came to my baby shower and my kid's first birthday. She has been to my house. While I cannot reconcile her walls of text with her real-life personality, I can attest that she is an otherwise kind person, and I cannot imagine that she would harm anybody. I know this probably doesn't sound very convincing, given the nature of her most recent posts. I can't speak to that. All I can say is that we had a grand old time at dinner recently, and she was perfectly normal.

I hope @booby does not GBCGBCN. That would be a huge loss for our community.

And I hope @kirkette can get her thoughts across without other posters thinking she is off her rocker. I just don't think it's possible for a person who was charming and lovely on Friday to be crazy just days later.

Now go tell me how cute my little two-year-old is.

[Lucy Honeychurch]

Jan 26, 2016 13:59:42 GMT -5 @koko said:

Jan 26, 2016 13:46:24 GMT -5 toledo said:

Have you seen many threats around here that were this prolonged and specific?  C'mon, this is not comparable to you threatening to pop someone in the face in the heat of an argument.

I was never really afraid for my safety after reading Gypsy's neckstab thing, even though I think she's an unstable loon.  But it also wasn't made directly to me, with many accompanying details of how she had THE POWER to do it.

KOKO, if that WOT was aimed at you, what would your H tell you to do?

Listen, my H would tell me to log off right now and delete my account just for being involved in this discussion at all.  H doesn't count, lol.

I was being serious when I made that comparison.  Because if you really do feel that just threatening somebody, regardless of intent or ability to follow through, is enough to make you want to leave the boards, we wouldn't have a lot of people.  Which is why I was asking it the way I was.  I guess I don't consider it a legit threat, which is why I am not taking it as seriously as I guess I should.  I'm not saying people can or can't be like "WTF?" about it.  What I'm speaking to is really the fact people are acting like this is the first and worst threat directed at somebody on GBCN.  That's all.

I am officially uncomfortable at this point.  

I don't think it's the worst, necessarily; but it was oddly specific, and it was repeated.  And it was stated that she'd done these things before and had no compunction about doing them again.  Lastly, she has not been back to say that she wouldn't do those things.  

I think I outlined why I felt this threat was maybe more credible in my post above. 

[mrsd2006]

Jan 26, 2016 13:53:09 GMT -5 miso said:

Ugh. I said I wasn't going to get involved.

But I really want to AW my kid because she is two today, and I will look like I'm looking the other way if I start that AW thread without addressing this elephant thread in the room, right? So here I am.

I've "known" @booby for years. Years! There is nothing about her that is remotely threatening or cruel. Occasional Mean Girls behavior? Of course. I can't judge that. I am guilty of that myself occasionally. And let's be serious -- we are all on ML. @booby is here for shits and giggles just like the rest of us. She loves her kid. She loves her family and friends. She loves celebrity gossip. A lot of us have this in common.

@kirkette is my IRL friend. We had tacos together Friday night! She came to my baby shower and my kid's first birthday. She has been to my house. While I cannot reconcile her walls of text with her real-life personality, I can attest that she is an otherwise kind person, and I cannot imagine that she would harm anybody. I know this probably doesn't sound very convincing, given the nature of her most recent posts. I can't speak to that. All I can say is that we had a grand old time at dinner recently, and she was perfectly normal.

I hope @booby does not GBCGBCN. That would be a huge loss for our community.

And I hope @kirkette can get her thoughts across without other posters thinking she is off her rocker. I just don't think it's possible for a person who was charming and lovely on Friday to be crazy just days later.

Now go tell me how cute my little two-year-old is.

We need a picture! You are always the voice of reason. 

Can someone please tell me what WOT means? 

ETA: never mind, I see the other thread now! Stupid work getting in my way of keeping up around here. 

[iammalcolmx]

Now I want Tacos.............

kooshball you are the queen of mesmerizing GIFS

[05heel]

I wonder if she included all of those points about her power and wealth because these are things that Booby has specifically tried to throw in her face? Like, check the resume and continue to mock me at your own risk type of thing. Again, not the best way (obviously), but I can just empathize so much with her anger. And I don't think Booby realized how her mocking was being received, even though I maintain that it makes zero sense to come after anyone who you think may be nuts. This is why I tell folks to kiss my entire ass at the slightest provocation. Trying to take the high road gets you nowhere fast.

[Deleted]

Jan 26, 2016 14:02:33 GMT -5 kooshball said:

Stop it.

Just stop. 

[wannabe]

JESUS H. CHRIST, PEOPLE. i spent the morning liking posts that were funny as shit and left for like an hour and WUT IS HAPPENING HERE.

[eclaires]

Jan 26, 2016 14:08:25 GMT -5 05heel said:

I wonder if she included all of those points about her power and wealth because these are things that Booby has specifically tried to throw in her face? Like, check the resume and continue to mock me at your own risk type of thing. Again, not the best way (obviously), but I can just empathize so much with her anger. And I don't think Booby realized how her mocking was being received, even though I maintain that it makes zero sense to come after anyone who you think may be nuts. This is why I tell folks to kiss my entire ass at the slightest provocation. Trying to take the high road gets you nowhere fast.

My takeaway is she wanted booby to stop and decided this was the only way to get through to her. I don't know booby well but what I do know makes me think she isn't one to stop just because. It seemed like it had been going back and forth for awhile? Idk.

[Eagles]

Enough with the fucking chicken.