I really want to know who the non-Trump GOP people are going to vote for and why. I think we all understand that Trump appeals to people who are afraid (of color, of losing, of not being "great"), but what about Cruz is better? What about Rubio is better? What are the actual issues and plans that are happening? Because it seems to me the whole GOP race is degrading into a dick-measuring contest. And I have good good friends who vote Republican and they are all "ya know...I just don't know right now."
My husband is a low tax, pro business type of Republican and he is voting for Clinton. We talk about it all the time. He thinks Trump is an idiot and that he is not a good businessman contrary to what many voters seem to think. He also thinks Cruz is crazy in a dangerous way.
I really hate this idea that only non-politicians think the budget is outrageous.
Or the idea that when a non-politician gets into the WH, suddenly they are exempt from having to participate in the political process. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!
So much this! I've said to myself so many times "You do realize that if Trump wins, he can't just go in and make all these changes by himself, right? RIGHT?".
Look at the past 8 years of Obama and how the R's basically refused to work with him.
I actually don't know a single out Trump supporter.
If you want to know what they think, the Jon Oliver piece from Monday has snippets with supporters. The answers are all what you would assume. There is no mystery with this crowd.
@kirkette rather than create another thread I figured I'd just stick this in here:
if Bloomberg doesn't run and trump is the nominee, who do you think you'll vote for?
I've been saying this for the last few months. If Bloomberg doesn't run, I'm writing Richard Riordan, and sending in a message. I could also write in Bloomberg, but I like Riordan better, and Riordan would be a more viable GOP candidate. In future election cycles, someone like Gary Sinese should run at a local level, and then rise up.
I haven't seen this before. I've seen you posting about wanting to work for Bloomberg's campaign but hadn't seen anything beyond that.
What baffles me the most is people that claim to like Trump because they are tired of career politicians and the establishment tend to re-elect the same Senators and Representatives over and over again. Um, what? These are also career politicians that clearly aren't getting done what you want. Why do you keep electing these people?
Case in point - Alabama. Trump carried Alabama (as I thought he would), but Alabama also voted to keep the incumbent Congresspeople on the ballots in November. These same people that aren't doing anything. I mean, one of them is 81 years old, and campaigned on the platform that he will fight Obama. Nevermind that Obama won't be in office if and when he is re-elected. If you want to run on the platform that you fought Obama, fine. But you fought and lost, dimwit.
Another of these people campaigned on the Planned Parenthood tapes, and how Planned Parenthood should be stopped from selling baby parts. WTF? That video was debunked, you moron.
Post by CheeringCharm on Mar 2, 2016 10:53:27 GMT -5
I'm interested to see what will happen to the GOP if/when he does get the nomination. Assuming he loses the general, will the establishment figures leave the party that exists now and form a new one that finally splits from the Fundie/Religious Right crowd? It's intriguing.
@kirkette rather than create another thread I figured I'd just stick this in here:
if Bloomberg doesn't run and trump is the nominee, who do you think you'll vote for?
I've been saying this for the last few months. If Bloomberg doesn't run, I'm writing Richard Riordan, and sending in a message. I could also write in Bloomberg, but I like Riordan better, and Riordan would be a more viable GOP candidate. In future election cycles, someone like Gary Sinese should run at a local level, and then rise up.
I think I've seen you say this before, and I finally looked up Richard Riordan because each time I see it I think, "hmm. The guy who wrote the Percy Jackson series is also a politician. I did not know that".
I'm interested to see what will happen to the GOP if/when he does get the nomination. Assuming he loses the general, will the establishment figures leave the party that exists now and form a new one that finally splits from the Fundie/Religious Right crowd? It's intriguing.
There are already coalitions to try and do that, mainly RINOs and Log Cabin wings of the GOP. People on this board tend to paint the GOP with one brush stroke, when that's really not the case.
I know I've seen you talking about that before. I just wonder if one of these groups will emerge as a large, well funded, viable third party assuming this election is a crushing loss for the GOP as it exists now.
I don't know that many republicans but the ones I do know are all saying they'll support Hillary if she gets the nomination, unless the R's put up Rubio or Kasich. My family in Michigan is historically pretty conservative but they are all saying they won't support Trump or Cruz.
There's some buzz about some anonymous GOP senator who said s/he'd endorse Hillary if Chuck got the nominee. Chuck Todd apparently reported this. I can't remember where I read this. But I could see Lindsey Graham supporting Clinton. Or maybe one of those two women from Maine, or perhaps Mark Kirk if he thought it could save his seat.
That said, I think most of them will be cowards and tow the party line. Especially because it would be a Clinton on the other side.
I have no doubt that in public most will tow the party line (unless the "Establishment" runs a third party campaign to give them cover to return to the "real" Republican fold) in public, my question is do we really think they will actually VOTE for Trump.
Of course we'll never know, so perhaps it's a pointless question.
I just wonder what percentage of Republicans are saying "we will stick with our party no matter what" to the public and half-assedly support Trump, but then get into the voting booth and say to themselves, "NO FUCKING WAY AM I VOTING FOR THAT MANIAC, no one will know and hopefully he loses."
Someone I know IRL had an interesting theory. He thinks there will be a reverse Bradley effect, and that a lot of Republicans will say they won't vote for a Clinton in public, but will actually vote for her privately. His prediction is that this is especially likely to happen among older conservative women who may secretly wish to see a woman in office. I wouldn't go to the bank in this, but I also think it's not a completely far-fetched prediction.
I don't know of any R friends that outwardly support Trump at the moment, but I've heard about 50% say they'll vote for HRC and 50% write-in if he gets the nomination. It mostly seems to depend on if you actively despise HRC or not, because quite a few of the "write-ins" have said they'd entertain voting for Bernie, but NOT Hillary.
The support I've seen from friends of friends on facebook has all centered around totally buying into the narrative that Washington DC has failed us. that the GOP and Democratic party are both just two sides of the same inept, corporate sponsored coin and all the other candidates are just asshole politicians of basically the same flavor.
It's the same basic reason behind a lot of Bernie's support (not all. But a lot) So basically if you think Washington is irreparably horribly broken and needs to be totally set on its ear - but you are bothered by blatent racism, you support Bernie. Otherwise Trump seems like your best bet to send the message of "all you chucklefucks need to be FIRED."
I only know one Trump supporter, and this is basically his reasoning.
This just occurred to me as well...I feel like this election is all about "liking" the candidate, especially in regard to Clinton. Why this rise in "likability"? I can despise someone but still know they're the best person for the job - I mean, it's not like I have to have chemistry for a working relationship with the President, ya know? Maybe this has always been a thing.
@kirkette rather than create another thread I figured I'd just stick this in here:
if Bloomberg doesn't run and trump is the nominee, who do you think you'll vote for?
I've been saying this for the last few months. If Bloomberg doesn't run, I'm writing Richard Riordan, and sending in a message. I could also write in Bloomberg, but I like Riordan better, and Riordan would be a more viable GOP candidate. In future election cycles, someone like Gary Sinese should run at a local level, and then rise up.
How about I throw out the suggestion of a write-in of Colin Powell.
@kirkette rather than create another thread I figured I'd just stick this in here:
if Bloomberg doesn't run and trump is the nominee, who do you think you'll vote for?
I've been saying this for the last few months. If Bloomberg doesn't run, I'm writing Richard Riordan, and sending in a message. I could also write in Bloomberg, but I like Riordan better, and Riordan would be a more viable GOP candidate. In future election cycles, someone like Gary Sinese should run at a local level, and then rise up.
For all you who think that writing in a candidate "sends a message," as an election judge, I can tell you that it does not. We can only tally and report the names of people who have followed the proper procedure to become a viable candidate. The others names don't get reported. If they did, every election we'd be reporting votes for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
I've been saying this for the last few months. If Bloomberg doesn't run, I'm writing Richard Riordan, and sending in a message. I could also write in Bloomberg, but I like Riordan better, and Riordan would be a more viable GOP candidate. In future election cycles, someone like Gary Sinese should run at a local level, and then rise up.
For all you who think that writing in a candidate "sends a message," as an election judge, I can tell you that it does not. We can only tally and report the names of people who have followed the proper procedure to become a viable candidate. The others names don't get reported. If they did, every election we'd be reporting votes for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
can you elaborate on this? or post a link to some info? there's a discussion on my local board going and I'd like to post this for them.
I also would love to be able to talk to any Trump supporters on the board.
But I think the conservatives here were chased away a long time ago.
No, we're still here. Just less vocal. However, I'm not a Trump supported, or any current GOP candidate supporter.
Also, Trump is not a conservative.
This will be my first presidential election not voting for an R. It'll most likely be L (Johnson) or I (Bloomberg). If neither of them run/end up with a nom, I'll vote D if it's Clinton or L if the D is Sanders.
For all you who think that writing in a candidate "sends a message," as an election judge, I can tell you that it does not. We can only tally and report the names of people who have followed the proper procedure to become a viable candidate. The others names don't get reported. If they did, every election we'd be reporting votes for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
can you elaborate on this? or post a link to some info? there's a discussion on my local board going and I'd like to post this for them.
In CO -
Write-in candidates are permitted in both the primary and general elections. A write-in candidate must file an Affidavit of Intent with the Colorado Secretary of State no later than the close of business on the 67th day before a primary election and 110 days before a general election. No write-in vote will be counted unless the candidate filed an Affidavit of Intent. ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_requirements_for_political_candidates_in_Colorado
For all you who think that writing in a candidate "sends a message," as an election judge, I can tell you that it does not. We can only tally and report the names of people who have followed the proper procedure to become a viable candidate. The others names don't get reported. If they did, every election we'd be reporting votes for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
can you elaborate on this? or post a link to some info? there's a discussion on my local board going and I'd like to post this for them.
This article explains some of it (it looks like a couple of counties in Georgia and Texas do keep track of unofficial write in candidates), but overall, they don't get counted.
and I'd like to bold the following as a personal election judge pet peeve, because election day is 15+ hours long for us and we don't like things that extend that day any more. Hunting through 600 ballots looking for the ones with write in votes takes quite some time.
Whether you’re just getting a laugh by voting for Mickey Mouse for president or expressing you dissatisfaction with the candidates who are running, elections officials all over would really like it if you didn’t write in joke votes or unofficial candidates. Ballots with write-in votes usually have to be set aside and examined by an elections official so they can decipher the voter’s handwriting, determine their intent, and compare the vote to the list of official write-in candidates—all of which costs time, manpower and municipal money.
I go for refresher training on Thursday so I may have better info after that.
@kirkette nailed a lot of it, I think. Poor, uneducated white people are seeing "others" take what "they are entitled to" and it's pissing them off. They bought into the American dream and they think they got robbed and they want someone to blame. Trump tells them that this anger is justified AND points them towards people they already dislike and says those people are to blame. And they love him for it.
Vomit.
I haven't read through the whole post, but I think you nailed it. The Atlantic had this article yesterday:
The single best predictor of Trump support in the GOP primary is the absence of a college degree. In an analysis of Trump's blowout win in New Hampshire, Evan Soltas determined that the factor explaining most of the variance in Trump's support in New Hampshire was education.
“For every 1 percentage point more college graduates over the age of 25, Donald Trump's share of votes falls by 0.65 percentage points,” he said.
Diplomas are what Ron Brownstein calls the “new Republican fault line.”
I'm coming out of lurkdom to play. I'm frustrated and have nowhere else to vent.
I am a Cruz supporter, which I realize is not much more popular than Trump around here. But frankly, Trump scares the hell out of me. Cruz does not. I support Cruz because he is a solid Conservative who stands for the things that are important for me. And I'm sick of Conservatives bending on our core values. People are scared of Cruz because he won't play well with others....good. It's time to slow the decay and make tough decisions. Cruz is willing to do it or at least try. Get rid of the Dept of Ed. Abolish the IRS. Shut fown the government until they pull their heads out of their rear ends and cut spending. Do it. It's time.
But Trump. Ayayay. He's not a Conservative and I am pissed at the number of so-called Conservatives I know who are falling for his acting. I get that people are aick of politicians, but really?! A spray-tanned reality TV star who had flip-flopped on just about every position he had is a good alternative? Better than Cruz, who although is a politican, isn't interested in appeasing the others??? It's so frustrating. I've heard Trump does well among people who label themselves Evangelicsls, but do not attend church or live out their faith. It makes sense. He's the candidate of zero conviction appealing to the voters with zero conviction.
This entire election is making me even more passionate about education reform. This is what happens when you have generations of failing government schools - stupid voters who are too dumb to realize what they are voting for, whether you're talking about Sanders supporters or Trump supporters. They'll hop on whatever train makes them feel good and promises them the moon, no matter how out there. We are an Idiocracy.
Y'all know I'm about as Conservative as they come and HRC stands for just about the opposite of what I believe. I held my nose in 2008 to vote for Romney as a vote against Obama and I could hold my nose and vote for just about any other R candidate to keep HRC out of the White House, but there is no way I would ever vote for Trump. My husband feels the same way. And this is what is going to happen all across the US with true Conservatives who aren't willing to sell out their convictions to support Trump.
It's frustrating, but has convinced me thst God had officially "handed us over to our sinful flesh" as the Good Book says. This is what we deserve as a nation. I guess my only hope is that when the idiots of this country get what they want in our next President, the states that showed common sense last night (Texas, Oklahoma, Alaska) will finally choose to secede and I can make it across the border to be with "my people" before they build their own walls - built by the idiot masses that elected Trump in the same deluded way they think Mexico will build theirs.
And yea, crazy lady's profile pic is a "never forget" bald eagle pic. Because of course it is.
knowingly defrauded millions in real estate? I thought even the dumbest Hillary haters knew that the Clintons lost money on Whitewater. so much for following politics for 47 years and being a Democrat ^o)
There are already coalitions to try and do that, mainly RINOs and Log Cabin wings of the GOP. People on this board tend to paint the GOP with one brush stroke, when that's really not the case.
I know I've seen you talking about that before. I just wonder if one of these groups will emerge as a large, well funded, viable third party assuming this election is a crushing loss for the GOP as it exists now.
I think it's possible. I am a former Republican who can't stand the super right wing/religious right policies of the Rs currently so will vote D to avoid a R controlled triumvirate. If given a moderate option it would likely appeal to me and I know locally I am not the only one (at least based on FB and in person convos I know quite a few with similar opinions who would like a viable option outside of R and D as they currently stand).
This just occurred to me as well...I feel like this election is all about "liking" the candidate, especially in regard to Clinton. Why this rise in "likability"? I can despise someone but still know they're the best person for the job - I mean, it's not like I have to have chemistry for a working relationship with the President, ya know? Maybe this has always been a thing.
I think that has always been a thing. Remember W Bush and John Kerry aka the black hole of charisma?
FWIW, my super conservative BIL and his wife who posts about Benghazi all the time both told me that they're just sitting this election out because they can't stand Trump and don't like anyone else running.
This question has been asked before and gone unanswered, and I don't blame them, because the threads make it obvious they would be flamed, if they're even actually here. I don't get the intrigue... am I the only one who has seen televised focus groups with Trump supporters?
Because I haven't been paying attention to him and never thought it would get this far. PLUS I know I work with plenty of Trump supporters and want to understand the appeal. This is why I was for creating an AE, I think posting under your real name would be disastrous.
I know I've seen you talking about that before. I just wonder if one of these groups will emerge as a large, well funded, viable third party assuming this election is a crushing loss for the GOP as it exists now.
I think it's possible. I am a former Republican who can't stand the super right wing/religious right policies of the Rs currently so will vote D to avoid a R controlled triumvirate. If given a moderate option it would likely appeal to me and I know locally I am not the only one (at least based on FB and in person convos I know quite a few with similar opinions who would like a viable option outside of R and D as they currently stand).
This is pretty much where I'm at. There's a small part of me that is kinda glad that Trump might win the GOP nomination. Like good, see what all of your foolishness got you GOP?