Is this guy single? He must be, right. I can't imagine someone who has his own family himself would think this was all ok.
But he's a man. even if he is married and has kids, it wouldn't matter. HE'S a man and men having kids isn't an issue. Its' only women who are incapable of having kids and also a career.
I just got an email from a manager in another area. He said that during his interview process he asked his new admin if she had kids, or was planning to have kids. She kind of dodged the question by turning it around into something about being reliable and on time for work every day.
He found out that she is trying to get pregnant. She had an HSG done under general anesthesia, needed the day off, and provided a note (the note did not indicate she was having an HSG, but it was from a fertility clinic).
HE ASKED HER ABOUT IT AFTER...FOR MORE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING!
He said he never would have hired her had he known, and now he wants to find a reason to fire her. He thinks her lying about not having kids in the interview is good enough.
I should forward this to HR, right?
I about came right out of my chair reading your post. What a scumbag. HR needs to know this immediately.
I'm imagining the joint discrimination against a protected class/wrongful termination lawsuit that would follow if there were repercusssions about this, lol.
Aren't half of those seminars about discrimination, terrorism, etc. summed up by - if you see something, say something? How is HR supposed to find out about something like this if no one forwards the email to them? From OP's initial message, he sent this email to a group of managers for feedback. Someone needed to speak up, and I'm glad OP did.
Ugh, sorry, not sure why I'm so fired up about this. I hate companies acting like big brother, and it sounds like some of you work in that environment.
What are you even talking about? She saw something, and she is saying something. To the appropriate parties.
The faux bravado in this thread from a couple of you is hilarious. Especially notwoundtight (as usual) who thinks she would "own" the company after violating reasonable internal policies.
I wasn't referring to the OP - I think she's followed the correct course of action. This was directed to the people saying their companies would punish them for getting involved in the matter.
What are you even talking about? She saw something, and she is saying something. To the appropriate parties.
The faux bravado in this thread from a couple of you is hilarious. Especially notwoundtight (as usual) who thinks she would "own" the company after violating reasonable internal policies.
I wasn't referring to the OP - I think she's followed the correct course of action. This was directed to the people saying their companies would punish them for getting involved in the matter.
But NOBODY said they would be punished for reporting to HR.
They said they would be in trouble for inserting themselves into the process where they don't belong by telling the coworker instead of letting HR handle that part.
It's not uncommon or "big brother" and definitely not law suit worthy to be expected to follow established company procedures for reporting incidents.
I wasn't referring to the OP - I think she's followed the correct course of action. This was directed to the people saying their companies would punish them for getting involved in the matter.
But NOBODY said they would be punished for reporting to HR.
They said they would be in trouble for inserting themselves into the process where they don't belong by telling the coworker instead of letting HR handle that part.
It's not uncommon or "big brother" and definitely not law suit worthy to be expected to follow established company procedures for reporting incidents.
I wasn't referring to the OP - I think she's followed the correct course of action. This was directed to the people saying their companies would punish them for getting involved in the matter.
You didn't read the responses correctly. NO ONE said "don't do anything at all".
Someone early on told the OP to give a copy of the email to the admin, the person the email was about. THAT is what people are saying they could get fired for doing.
But NOBODY said they would be punished for reporting to HR.
They said they would be in trouble for inserting themselves into the process where they don't belong by telling the coworker instead of letting HR handle that part.
It's not uncommon or "big brother" and definitely not law suit worthy to be expected to follow established company procedures for reporting incidents.
Post by cabbagecabbage on Jun 7, 2016 12:46:17 GMT -5
I really hope HR is doing something beyond CYA on this. It's sounds like OP has faith in her company and that's good. I won't be excited until the jackwagon walks out of the room with a cardboard box and an escort. Awaiting that update.
It would take me great effort to not tell this poor woman who is just KOKO at work, completely unaware. I'm not saying it's right to tell her but on a personal level, I would want to know if I was the woman.
It would take me great effort to not tell this poor woman who is just KOKO at work, completely unaware. I'm not saying it's right to tell her but on a personal level, I would want to know if I was the woman.
I would imagine she is aware that this dude is a douche, right?
And this way you get to be none the wiser and then all of a sudden the guy who is a douche and has been fucking pestering you about your doctor's appointments is fired and you had all these people who stuck up for you behind the scenes.
Also, does any company actually have anti-discrimination trainings ready to go in five days like that? A company with only 2 HR staff? They must deal with stuff like this often.
Meh. Many have programs they do annually, so pulling the materials off the shelf quickly wouldn't be impossible. Also there is enough stuff on the interwebs they could probably tap into in a pinch, then do something more substantive later on.
It would take me great effort to not tell this poor woman who is just KOKO at work, completely unaware. I'm not saying it's right to tell her but on a personal level, I would want to know if I was the woman.
This email went out to multiple people? I'd be shocked if she doesn't know already. Three can keep a secret if two are dead.
So, context please, he's not a close colleague of yours, he's just another fellow manager shooting off a general email to other managers saying "hey guys, is this a good reason to fire someone?" I just don't understand this. Even if the reason were stealing petty cash, that is not shit you just shoot off in an email to other unrelated parties. Messy!
He may not be fired immediately. If HR hasn't done discrimination training recently and doesn't have documented proof of discrimination training, douche could cry "I didn't know better"
HR person #2 may be going to print something, going to consult legal (hopefully that had already been done), going to IT to shut off systems access or just be finished (always good HR policy to have 2 people present - witnesses)
I wouldn't be surprised if he was just given a written warning and mandatory training.
I bet this is what happens. HR is there to protect the company, not as much the employees. It sounds terrible but it's the truth, especially with larger corporations.