Hey Tamb you dumb bunny. We know you like that racist Stellas. Even though ML loves the shit out of you and handles you with kid gloves and blows smoke up your ass please don't think that any of the WOC have bought your tepid attempts not to be flamed by posting sporadically in the racial threads while not saying anything of substance.
I've steady said it in the other threads but FUCK YOU!
@tambcat. That's it. Not tamblamb. Ever since she defended lucy and one other I can't recall, she's a dim ass for sure. Go back to fluff and racism. You're exposed
Here's the Cliffnotes of the book. *Spoiler Alert* Fragile white girls, have been strategically shitty for years, in the name of feminism, but really, it's all coded language to justify and keep White Supremacy within the family. They only want to be equal to white men. They may welcome black men, with open arms and dry as fuck vaginas, but they'll never be bothered to do anything to further assist black women. Ever. Quite frankly, Black women don't give a fuck, and will continue to be fly as fuck, as y'all get older, less attractive, and more and more invisible. Black and brown women will stay awesome as ever, forever, Amen! It's 2016, and we out of fucks to give. Also, Orange is the New Black, Girls, and Tina Fey aren't shit.
So micrgroaggressive book group, please be sure to tell us how you like them apples come this October, you hear! I thank you kindly, in advance for preparing to drop some "knowledge" on us all.
I had this book on hold at the library before the book club thing was even posted. Is the book full of microaggressions, are you anticipating the conversations being full of microaggressions, is the formation of a group to discuss a recommended book a microaggression, or is it some of the specific people who are involved in it? I read reviews on it and it seemed like an OK next step to take, but I don't want to waste my time reading it.
I know now it rings hollow given that all of this continues to happen, but I am actively doing things to continue to open my eyes. I hate that even one of my efforts to do better is seen as a microaggression. (Note: I'm not saying that it isn't, just that the more I read & think, the deeper I see my issues...and obviously, I'm really disappointed in myself.) I'm taking steps, and want to keep from taking yet another misstep in my efforts to do better and be better.
Yes, please continue to ask a POC to help you not be a racist.
The good thing about the word “fragility” is that it pisses people off to be called “fragile” instead of “strong” or “resilient.” It pokes at insecurity, revealing something that has real destructive power to be built on a house of cards.
Imagine that people of color start learning about race and racism from childhood, and go on to earn the equivalent of advanced degrees in the subject just to get through everyday life. But most White people are given a pat on the head in 2nd grade, a fake diploma, and told we can skip all the other classes, because this subject doesn’t really apply to us. What’s written on our diploma? “Racists are bad people. But you are good.”
When we learn that “racists are bad people”, we automatically put ourselves into the opposite category: non-racists who are well-meaning, good people.
The truth is that “good” White people do and say racist things all the time. They appropriate black hairstyles like cornrows, baby hair, and bantu knots and rebrand them as “boxer braids”, “slicked-down tendrils”, and “mini-buns.” They dress up as stereotyped members of other cultures for Halloween, and argue the Redskins name is tradition. They say things like “I don’t even see color” and “All Lives Matter.”
To that, I would like to add “the education White people need will make us uncomfortable.” Our choices are to stick with the binary, or to leave it behind and pursue knowledge that will challenge our worldview and bring discomfort. We have to build up our ability to feel uncomfortable without allowing the Chicken Little of our self-identity to squawk that the sky is falling.
the idea that we as White people are entitled to be lazy. We expect to be served knowledge about race and racism in palatable doses. We expect to rest in our fragility.
The solution: Put in work. We are not newborn babies or fancy teacups. We have the ability to actively seek knowledge and understanding.
She leaves us with this: “Stop trying to be good people. And start trying to be real people.”
I never saw the Newark comments when they happened. Even if I was over at MMM at that time, I never would've opened a Jersey GTG post. But that is PRECISELY the kind of shit that white liberals are so guilty of.
That's what Midwesterners do. They use coded language. "Sketchy" areas. "Bad" schools. And nobody ever digs down and asks more. WHY are you scared riding the bus? WHY won't you go to Newark? I am noticing these things more and more because I've learned a lot more about the segregation and the issues in my community in the last couple of years, but I know that black women have noticed them for years.
When the board lets comments like these slide, it sends a message. And it's not a pretty one.
Just gonna bring this back to the end of the thread (I think its the end, I'm still trying to catch up after being stuck in the ER with Baby A and an unknown allergic reaction). I hear "sketchy" area and "bad schools" and see them for exactly what it means. And I call it out. I grew up on the edge of a "sketchy area" with "bad schools" and trust me, when I started a new school and someone asked where I was from, they never spoke to me again. AND I WAS THE SAME COLOR AS THEM. Imagine if I wasn't, for just a second, you think they would have asked me? Hell no, don't associate with "that girl." And looking back, the disassociation from that group was just fine - the true definition of basic go-nowhere bitches.
If you aren't ACTUALLY going to learn from this shit, just shut up. Really is too bad you can't teach empathy, but look at it this way. As white people, we have the privilege of being judged as an individual. Pretend for a minute that you weren't white. Put yourself in the shoes of a POC and think to yourself "how pissed would I be if someone said this shit to me/about me/near me." You would be pissed, right? And then you need to examine why you would use those coded words. Why would I say that area is sketchy. Is it because of all the POC? Is it because years and years of systematic racism that caused incomes to stay stagnant and job opportunities vanish and their houses to become rundown because its more important to feed their kids and make sure no one is cold?
If you become uncomfortable with the tone of the threads or the call outs by TamiTaylor , then good. Being uncomfortable is the start. Instead of getting defensive and pushing back, look at why you're uncomfortable. Its because you're being judged as a group and not an individual.
I hope I'm making sense here. I'm running on little sleep, a high level of anxiety because of my ER visit and a pretty good level of WTF from everything going on in this thread and the board in general.
Oh yeah, I'm white and incredibly aware of my privilege, but I grew up in an inner city neighborhood that is absolutely considered "sketchy" or "ghetto" to outsiders. I consider myself lucky to have gone to very diverse schools and been exposed to other races and cultures from a very young age, but that doesn't mean I'm any less privileged because I'm still a white woman in this world.
I have a coworker who has made comments in the past about where I grew up, in a joking fashion, but it makes it so clear that he is so tone deaf from growing up in a 99% white, suburban, private school upbringing. Due to all of these conversations we've been having here, I made it a point to ask about diversity in his son's new private high school (next to none, he guessed maybe 10 POC in his son's class of 150). And then I asked him how he planned to teach his kids about diversity if they're not exposed to it on a daily basis. He had no answer because he and his kids have never had to think about it before. I really hope that me asking about it made him think about it more.
I've posted with her in many boards, I think she's a fine person and all, now that you mention it, she doesn't weigh in much at all in ANY heavy thread, race related or not. I frequent CEP and I get a smile when I see others from my home board weighing in, she's one I don't think I've ever seen unless it was fluff. Which is a shame because people are very fond of her and really do look up to her in a way. When people listen to you and value your input that much, you have the priveledge to do so much good, and I think she's not taking that chance because she's uncomfortable with getting involved, or maybe thinks she'll lose friends, or possibly just doesn't give enough of a shit to be bothered. I would have liked to see her speak on serious stuff. I know nothing about her defending a racist, but I'm actually quite surprised by that...she seemed so... "Liberal"
Feel free to search for the Stellas thread on the April board. It was the final straw that ran off the last two AA women on that board. I don't know how to search or link on my phone but I'm sure someone can find it for you.
This shit is not new. Same shit, different board.
wait, is April 2012 on here (pandce)? Where is this shit storm mommyhell?
Just gonna bring this back to the end of the thread (I think its the end, I'm still trying to catch up after being stuck in the ER with Baby A and an unknown allergic reaction). I hear "sketchy" area and "bad schools" and see them for exactly what it means. And I call it out. I grew up on the edge of a "sketchy area" with "bad schools" and trust me, when I started a new school and someone asked where I was from, they never spoke to me again. AND I WAS THE SAME COLOR AS THEM. Imagine if I wasn't, for just a second, you think they would have asked me? Hell no, don't associate with "that girl." And looking back, the disassociation from that group was just fine - the true definition of basic go-nowhere bitches.
If you aren't ACTUALLY going to learn from this shit, just shut up. Really is too bad you can't teach empathy, but look at it this way. As white people, we have the privilege of being judged as an individual. Pretend for a minute that you weren't white. Put yourself in the shoes of a POC and think to yourself "how pissed would I be if someone said this shit to me/about me/near me." You would be pissed, right? And then you need to examine why you would use those coded words. Why would I say that area is sketchy. Is it because of all the POC? Is it because years and years of systematic racism that caused incomes to stay stagnant and job opportunities vanish and their houses to become rundown because its more important to feed their kids and make sure no one is cold?
If you become uncomfortable with the tone of the threads or the call outs by TamiTaylor , then good. Being uncomfortable is the start. Instead of getting defensive and pushing back, look at why you're uncomfortable. Its because you're being judged as a group and not an individual.
I hope I'm making sense here. I'm running on little sleep, a high level of anxiety because of my ER visit and a pretty good level of WTF from everything going on in this thread and the board in general.
Oh yeah, I'm white and incredibly aware of my privilege, but I grew up in an inner city neighborhood that is absolutely considered "sketchy" or "ghetto" to outsiders. I consider myself lucky to have gone to very diverse schools and been exposed to other races and cultures from a very young age, but that doesn't mean I'm any less privileged because I'm still a white woman in this world.
I have a coworker who has made comments in the past about where I grew up, in a joking fashion, but it makes it so clear that he is so tone deaf from growing up in a 99% white, suburban, private school upbringing. Due to all of these conversations we've been having here, I made it a point to ask about diversity in his son's new private high school (next to none, he guessed maybe 10 POC in his son's class of 150). And then I asked him how he planned to teach his kids about diversity if they're not exposed to it on a daily basis. He had no answer because he and his kids have never had to think about it before. I really hope that me asking about it made him think about it more.
I don't understand this concept of "I've been exposed to other cultures" or exposing kids to other cultures/ethnicities as though that's some magic bullet here.
People aren't animals in a zoo for whites to "teach" their kids about by "exposing" them to them.
Stop thinking of POC as some sort of "other" that our kids need to be "exposed" to.
Just gonna bring this back to the end of the thread (I think its the end, I'm still trying to catch up after being stuck in the ER with Baby A and an unknown allergic reaction). I hear "sketchy" area and "bad schools" and see them for exactly what it means. And I call it out. I grew up on the edge of a "sketchy area" with "bad schools" and trust me, when I started a new school and someone asked where I was from, they never spoke to me again. AND I WAS THE SAME COLOR AS THEM. Imagine if I wasn't, for just a second, you think they would have asked me? Hell no, don't associate with "that girl." And looking back, the disassociation from that group was just fine - the true definition of basic go-nowhere bitches.
If you aren't ACTUALLY going to learn from this shit, just shut up. Really is too bad you can't teach empathy, but look at it this way. As white people, we have the privilege of being judged as an individual. Pretend for a minute that you weren't white. Put yourself in the shoes of a POC and think to yourself "how pissed would I be if someone said this shit to me/about me/near me." You would be pissed, right? And then you need to examine why you would use those coded words. Why would I say that area is sketchy. Is it because of all the POC? Is it because years and years of systematic racism that caused incomes to stay stagnant and job opportunities vanish and their houses to become rundown because its more important to feed their kids and make sure no one is cold?
If you become uncomfortable with the tone of the threads or the call outs by TamiTaylor , then good. Being uncomfortable is the start. Instead of getting defensive and pushing back, look at why you're uncomfortable. Its because you're being judged as a group and not an individual.
I hope I'm making sense here. I'm running on little sleep, a high level of anxiety because of my ER visit and a pretty good level of WTF from everything going on in this thread and the board in general.
Oh yeah, I'm white and incredibly aware of my privilege, but I grew up in an inner city neighborhood that is absolutely considered "sketchy" or "ghetto" to outsiders. I consider myself lucky to have gone to very diverse schools and been exposed to other races and cultures from a very young age, but that doesn't mean I'm any less privileged because I'm still a white woman in this world.
I have a coworker who has made comments in the past about where I grew up, in a joking fashion, but it makes it so clear that he is so tone deaf from growing up in a 99% white, suburban, private school upbringing. Due to all of these conversations we've been having here, I made it a point to ask about diversity in his son's new private high school (next to none, he guessed maybe 10 POC in his son's class of 150). And then I asked him how he planned to teach his kids about diversity if they're not exposed to it on a daily basis. He had no answer because he and his kids have never had to think about it before. I really hope that me asking about it made him think about it more.
One of our friends made a comment about not wanting to stop in a certain place on the way back from a baseball game because it was sketchy, so I was very quick to point out that my dad used to have a shop "riiiiiight there" as we passed by it. Probably more passive aggressive than I should have been, but it's all I felt comfortable with at that time.
My son's school is kind of in between diverse and not at all. I am happy to see that it's becoming more diverse as he has gone on and it'll get better in middle and high school because even in 2016, cities here are still pretty segregated and they'll all funnel into fewer middle and high schoolers (our district has one of each, the next district over has 3 of each) and it helps the diversity.
Oh yeah, I'm white and incredibly aware of my privilege, but I grew up in an inner city neighborhood that is absolutely considered "sketchy" or "ghetto" to outsiders. I consider myself lucky to have gone to very diverse schools and been exposed to other races and cultures from a very young age, but that doesn't mean I'm any less privileged because I'm still a white woman in this world.
I have a coworker who has made comments in the past about where I grew up, in a joking fashion, but it makes it so clear that he is so tone deaf from growing up in a 99% white, suburban, private school upbringing. Due to all of these conversations we've been having here, I made it a point to ask about diversity in his son's new private high school (next to none, he guessed maybe 10 POC in his son's class of 150). And then I asked him how he planned to teach his kids about diversity if they're not exposed to it on a daily basis. He had no answer because he and his kids have never had to think about it before. I really hope that me asking about it made him think about it more.
I don't understand this concept of "I've been exposed to other cultures" or exposing kids to other cultures/ethnicities as though that's some magic bullet here.
People aren't animals in a zoo for whites to "teach" their kids about by "exposing" them to them.
Stop thinking of POC as some sort of "other" that our kids need to be "exposed" to.
Even this thought process is racist.
Exposing kids to different cultures is the best way to vaccinate racism, like chicken pox! Give them a little and they'll never have a problem with it.
Oh yeah, I'm white and incredibly aware of my privilege, but I grew up in an inner city neighborhood that is absolutely considered "sketchy" or "ghetto" to outsiders. I consider myself lucky to have gone to very diverse schools and been exposed to other races and cultures from a very young age, but that doesn't mean I'm any less privileged because I'm still a white woman in this world.
I have a coworker who has made comments in the past about where I grew up, in a joking fashion, but it makes it so clear that he is so tone deaf from growing up in a 99% white, suburban, private school upbringing. Due to all of these conversations we've been having here, I made it a point to ask about diversity in his son's new private high school (next to none, he guessed maybe 10 POC in his son's class of 150). And then I asked him how he planned to teach his kids about diversity if they're not exposed to it on a daily basis. He had no answer because he and his kids have never had to think about it before. I really hope that me asking about it made him think about it more.
I don't understand this concept of "I've been exposed to other cultures" or exposing kids to other cultures/ethnicities as though that's some magic bullet here.
People aren't animals in a zoo for whites to "teach" their kids about by "exposing" them to them.
Stop thinking of POC as some sort of "other" that our kids need to be "exposed" to.
Even this thought process is racist.
totally agree. Just another way for white people to pat themselves on the back and think they've overcome their biases.
Oh yeah, I'm white and incredibly aware of my privilege, but I grew up in an inner city neighborhood that is absolutely considered "sketchy" or "ghetto" to outsiders. I consider myself lucky to have gone to very diverse schools and been exposed to other races and cultures from a very young age, but that doesn't mean I'm any less privileged because I'm still a white woman in this world.
I have a coworker who has made comments in the past about where I grew up, in a joking fashion, but it makes it so clear that he is so tone deaf from growing up in a 99% white, suburban, private school upbringing. Due to all of these conversations we've been having here, I made it a point to ask about diversity in his son's new private high school (next to none, he guessed maybe 10 POC in his son's class of 150). And then I asked him how he planned to teach his kids about diversity if they're not exposed to it on a daily basis. He had no answer because he and his kids have never had to think about it before. I really hope that me asking about it made him think about it more.
I don't understand this concept of "I've been exposed to other cultures" or exposing kids to other cultures/ethnicities as though that's some magic bullet here.
People aren't animals in a zoo for whites to "teach" their kids about by "exposing" them to them.
Stop thinking of POC as some sort of "other" that our kids need to be "exposed" to.
Even this thought process is racist.
You're right. I'm sorry. I don't think it's a magic bullet at all. I used the wrong language by saying "exposed to". I wasn't intending for that to be an "I'm not racist, I have black friends!" kind of comment. But intent doesn't matter here. I'm sorry.
One other thing: if you are white, you are most likely racist and your entire existence is awash with the privilege of being white. Your every experience and thought and interaction. Accept that. Let that permeate your every thought. Remember that when you are discussing race or anything tangentially or slightly related to race. Remember it when you are interacting with POC. Let it check your every thought and word.
Then maybe you can learn to do better and not be racist.
Stopped at 26, pages behind, BUT every.single.word of this
I'm an occasional CEP poster. I'm another white woman who has selfishly benefitted from 8 years of regular exposure to CEP and P&CE before that. It's amazing & appalling in equal measure how much I've been made aware of. Hell, thanks especially to summer & NitaX even my H has benefitted immeasurably by proxy, finally seeing the ridiculously appalling Zwarte Piet tradition in his country for what it is. And this is a small fucking example and does nothing to elucidate the numerous daily ways in which he & I and all of us are fortunate to be exposed. It's vital. It's essential.
This much I know: awareness and internalization is where it starts; a daily dialogue with yourself and in your interactions.
My words mean nothing (and at this point, are probably way out of sync/stupidly redundant) but the onus is on me both individually & collectively. If we're not moving forward, we're moving backward.
I'll be the first to admit that I like shallow crap like shopping for my kid. Of course it's shallow! And I like some fluff topics, though not nearly as many as this board can produce, hence also hanging out on cep and ml, though overall I'm not here much anymore. But, damn, how can one consistently ignore ANYTHING that isn't just fluff and read all of this and pop in with "I have nothing to say?" Really? Like in the sticky, the price of admission to participate should be that you aren't a twatwaffle. And, yeah, maybe I'll say the wrong thing and get called on it but I'd rather that than nothing at all.
I love this. Much of this board is fluff and just "friends" talking. That's ok. I enjoy talking about kid clothes and getting new product ideas and other non-important topics. What's NOT okay is for half the board to go silent as soon as racism and more importantly, racism on HERE, becomes the discussion.
Yeah I mean, I don't think anyone thinks this board should never have a fluff topic on it, or that no one can ever ask a question about a car seat, or whatever (although the photo outfit posts are a bit um....excessive.)
but when things happen like have happened in the past week, past two weeks, continue to post on those same fluff topics like everything is just normal is not okay. It's just not. If someone in real life said to you, "I'm having a really bad week, can I tell you what happened to my child at daycare today, he was discriminated against by the teacher because of his skin color" and your response was "sure, tell me, but can you wait until I get my pumpkin spice latte, and oh, I need to order some new clothes on Carter's, what do you think of this outfit? And did you see the new Lu La Roe leggings? OOH I'm getting a text from Becky, hold on a sec." and then you walk away because frankly, you don't want to hear a story of a 4 year old being discriminated against, because it's really tough to hear, that would be really asshole-y of you. You would be a really crappy friend in that moment, and probably a crappy person overall.
Your friend wanted you to listen, be supportive, let them talk about it, etc. You know....be a friend. And you walked away because of PSLs and LLR and Carters. So then that friend isn't your friend anymore and you cant understand why.
This is pretty much the same thing. Your friend isn't saying you can never order a PSL again. Just don't make it a priority at that moment. Maybe today, you skip the PSL.
I don't know if that makes sense. It makes sense in my head, I promise.
Feel free to search for the Stellas thread on the April board. It was the final straw that ran off the last two AA women on that board. I don't know how to search or link on my phone but I'm sure someone can find it for you.
This shit is not new. Same shit, different board.
wait, is April 2012 on here (pandce)? Where is this shit storm mommyhell?
Under "communities" on the left side of the board if you're on a computer.
wait, is April 2012 on here (pandce)? Where is this shit storm mommyhell?
Under "communities" on the left side of the board if you're on a computer.
thanks. I'm on my phone because I'm at work but I saw the link upthread. I'm calling all the defenders in there out so people know. I think calling out is all I can do because this is some bullshit defending racism. The fuck?
And really the whole "oh I had no idea" about my parents living in Newark is a flashback to all the times I've heard "you are too nice/smart/well mannered/educated to be from Newark"
I can relate, sadly, born and raised in Camden. Guess what? I like my life too!
Eta: I figured it out, see me speaks right bc I only lived in Camden for the first 12 years of my life, and I went to catholic school. They teach us poor folk nice and right.
Warning to all: I still have family that lives in Camden, just so you are aware. In case you want to insult it or something like that or maybe you want a tour?
I went to Rutgers Camden. There is a special place in my heart for that city. Granted, I was usually in the bubble that is the university district, but I still love it. I know that this isn't the place for reminiscing, but damn, I miss South Jersey so much.
I know this won't undo the hurt, but I also want to apologize to @bettyhomewrecker for defending what stellas did to you. It was appalling, and for some reason I felt like I had to defend her because I considered her a friend. It's okay to admit your friends act shitty sometimes, and I need to stop being so afraid of losing friends like that that I won't speak out against them. It says a lot about me, a lot of not good things.
This is like, two years too late.
I don't really want to talk about this now. It's not the time and there are more important discussions to have at the moment.
I know this won't undo the hurt, but I also want to apologize to @bettyhomewrecker for defending what stellas did to you. It was appalling, and for some reason I felt like I had to defend her because I considered her a friend. It's okay to admit your friends act shitty sometimes, and I need to stop being so afraid of losing friends like that that I won't speak out against them. It says a lot about me, a lot of not good things.
Tambcats, come on now. It's one thing to be pissed and disappointed to realize that someone you considered a friend is not how you perceived them to be. It sucks to have those realizations and know that it's time to cut a friendship out. But that wasn't acting shitty sometimes, it was revealing her true character, that she was someone you could get along with in shallow topics but was awful as fuck when push came to shove. And isn't that was this is all about? That people are revealing their true characters and many would rather just be an ostrich rather than face an ugly truth.
Just b/c I can finally log on from a web browser and see things better. Here's another round of FUCK YOU to those who were caught red handed talking shit about TamiTaylor b/c she was standing up and pointing out how serious race discussions need to be taken on this board.
My first reaction to being called out is always anger and defensiveness. Last week when Tami posted I took it personally and I responded angrily, in that group chat, to TamiTaylor 's posts by calling names and I own that.
I am not sorry that this was made public. It should have been.
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Yay! Quite contrite!
FUCK YOU!
Both of these are well deserved. What I wrote was awful and inexcusable. I do apologize.
The April 2012 board is now finger wagging at MMM, because that board is totally known for its deep discussion of issues about race, especially when there are new Hannah SKUs and BOOTD to discuss.
LOL!
This reminds me of when everyone was all excited over that hideous pink flower clothing they sold a limited number of at Target. What was that shit called? And how the hell do I post a photo? And didn't someone get a hideous pink dress and one for her daughter so they could match or some shit?
umm yeah I did and it was fucking cute. I'm not white. Does that matter? @natariru was looking super cute in the LP stuff too. What does this even have to do with the issue at hand? You need to slow your roll and stop detracting from the very important race issues in discussion here. Flame me if you want. There are some people that have really fucked up and everyone has something to learn about their own racism and how to better treat and respect poc. I don't think it helps the conversation to just attack anything the majority of this board (albeit mostly white privileged women) were into in the past before all this shit blew up. Is it messed up that people are posting regular things now and that some very prominent regulars have avoided the conversation? Yes, of course. But I don't get people coming in here and dissing the board in general for talking clothes/sleep, rolling, diapers, wtv with absolutely no context to the racism issues and/or specific posters.
sj , SJ whatever the fuck the tag is, I'm really disappointed in that two-faced shit you pulled. It surprised me coming from you.
I know. Me too. It shouldn't have to come to something like this for me to see what I am capable of and how far that is from how I view myself. I deserve to be called out and every word that cubed and @kirkette and all of the others have had for me. I haven't responded to each one because I am sitting with them and absorbing the truth they speak, but I just went through the notifications and wanted to respond to the most recent.
I am deeply ashamed of both my words and my silence. My initial reaction was that it seemed like TamiTaylor was trying to keep score and make sure everyone was responding just to respond so that she could take roll call. Doing so felt hollow, but silence or posting about other topics felt shameful and trite. I did not examine why I didn't know how to respond or why I was uncomfortable with all the options, nor did I think through anything before running my mouth on and off the board.
I was utterly wrong. TamiTaylor truly has been a friend and champion when needed most, an area where I bitterly failed.
umm yeah I did and it was fucking cute. I'm not white. Does that matter? @natariru was looking super cute in the LP stuff too. What does this even have to do with the issue at hand? You need to slow your roll and stop detracting from the very important race issues in discussion here. Flame me if you want. There are some people that have really fucked up and everyone has something to learn about their own racism and how to better treat and respect poc. I don't think it helps the conversation to just attack anything the majority of this board (albeit mostly white privileged women) were into in the past before all this shit blew up. Is it messed up that people are posting regular things now and that some very prominent regulars have avoided the conversation? Yes, of course. But I don't get people coming in here and dissing the board in general for talking clothes/sleep, rolling, diapers, wtv with absolutely no context to the racism issues and/or specific posters.
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So I finally caught up on the posts that happened while I was still sleeping here on the west coast.
I realize we've moved on but I still have to say, if you're going to focus on the delivery of the message (e.g., the way TamiTaylor chose to highlight what was happening on the board last week), you're doing the exact same thing as the people who are pissed at the way Colin Kaepernick has chosen to protest. The method is not the point, the message is. Take a moment to reflect and figure out why it's making you so uncomfortable before you type out a dissent. It's embarrassing because it's seriously the least you can do. Stop using it as an excuse for your shitty behavior.
Post by winecheery on Sept 9, 2016 11:32:21 GMT -5
Ok, after some sleep, I thought of something else to add to this thread.
I like fluff posts. I like stupid random threads, in fact they are some of my favorites because it's a quick slice of people's life, and it's usually all I have time to read these days to try and keep up with the board.
BUT. I cannot in good conscience call myself a member of this community without jumping into the serious topics too. The threads about repeated pregnancy losses, the threads about someone's relative dying of cancer/dementia, the threads LIKE THIS ONE about the hate someone faces day in and day out, and the anger, frustration and pain it causes them on the regular.
It's baffling to me that we're supposedly all friends, and support each other here, but then certain people are treated so poorly. That is not how I would treat my friends IRL, but it would never occur to me to do it on a message board either! Just because I am safely hidden from face to face contact? That's practically the definition of cowardice; showing your boldness to the faceless internet...::slow golf clap::
I've said it before and I'll say again, I am not a leader here, no one gives a crap what I say or think, and even I can find something to contribute at least *sometimes* FFS (to try and further the discussions) in more meaningful board topics.