One other thing: if you are white, you are most likely racist and your entire existence is awash with the privilege of being white. Your every experience and thought and interaction. Accept that. Let that permeate your every thought. Remember that when you are discussing race or anything tangentially or slightly related to race. Remember it when you are interacting with POC. Let it check your every thought and word.
Then maybe you can learn to do better and not be racist.
sj , SJ whatever the fuck the tag is, I'm really disappointed in that two-faced shit you pulled. It surprised me coming from you.
I know. Me too. It shouldn't have to come to something like this for me to see what I am capable of and how far that is from how I view myself. I deserve to be called out and every word that cubed and @kirkette and all of the others have had for me. I haven't responded to each one because I am sitting with them and absorbing the truth they speak, but I just went through the notifications and wanted to respond to the most recent.
I am deeply ashamed of both my words and my silence. My initial reaction was that it seemed like TamiTaylor was trying to keep score and make sure everyone was responding just to respond so that she could take roll call. Doing so felt hollow, but silence or posting about other topics felt shameful and trite. I did not examine why I didn't know how to respond or why I was uncomfortable with all the options, nor did I think through anything before running my mouth on and off the board.
I was utterly wrong. TamiTaylor truly has been a friend and champion when needed most, an area where I bitterly failed.
I don't want or accept your apology. It's as real and useful as Monopoly money or as a sincere of Ryan Locthe's apology.
I still have a shitload to read, but cville and litebright put what I've been try to sort in my brain. What's happened here is appalling. But as a white person, I feel like we need to stop backpatting ourselves when we're not involved in the fuckery. Unless you're TamiTaylor, who we can all learn from. And I don't even know her, but damn. Well done.
This make me kind of uncomfortable. I do not want my actions to be read as I was doing this for accolades (which is what some have grossly said) (not implying that you thought that) because I definitely wasn't. I just don't have to personality to not say what I'm thinking especially if I think something is damn wrong. I feel like I'm still learning too.
Lol everybody's sorry but plenty of you are probably doubling down on security of your outside groups so you can keep on having your low rent racist convos
The two facedness is so typical
Oh to be a fly on the wall to view all the hand wringing. I bet I'm getting called a fucking bitch too, lol.
I doubt there will be hand wringing! Or if there is, it wifi only be because of being found out, not what was done or said.
I'm so far behind on this thread. Only on page 10/35 due to work and living my life...
But when I opened this post this morning my jaw hit the table with shock and disgust. I'm so ashamed to be a white person because it might link me to "them". I've posted here less and less in the last year or two because the fluffy stuff just wasn't relevant to real life. As a result I've missed a lot of important threads and discussions. However, it doesn't take long on any single day to identify the "15 year old clique" that has been here for a long time. I wasn't in the cool gang in school and I sure as hell amn't here!!
TamiTaylor @kirkette @natariru I admire each of you immensely and wish you luck, happiness, peace and love for the future. I'm not sure I want to hang around here anymore...
I'm glad this is your one and only contribution to this thread. Frankly, I'm shocked to see you in here at all. I know we're all waiting on pins and needles hoping you found your Murder Mystery party dress.
I didn't open the "do you think your kid is cute" thread because I didn't really care about it and assumed it was about cute kids when I posted my murder mystery thread post. If you have something else you want to say about me go for it. I am reading the discussion and liking posts I agree with but I honestly don't have anything to add.
Do you not see that the fact you don't have anything else to add is a huge problem?
I didn't open the "do you think your kid is cute" thread because I didn't really care about it and assumed it was about cute kids when I posted my murder mystery thread post. If you have something else you want to say about me go for it. I am reading the discussion and liking posts I agree with but I honestly don't have anything to add.
Do you not see that the fact you don't have anything else to add is a huge problem?
No it is. I agree. I didn't want to ignore the conversation but I'm struggling with what I can add right now. I don't want to state an empty promise but I have read the entire thread.
I just wanted to make it clear that while I did disagree a lot with TamiTaylor 's methodsmaking me feel guilty because I'm white and I did participate in conversations outside race during this time. I DID stand up for Natariru because I'm a glorious white savior you want to be friends with. I did shut it down when she was removed. Like most posters, who have relationships outside the board we discussed things outside the board, but I did not do so to exclude a person who was my friend in spite of her race.
This is the same point in the conversation Natariru screen shot yesterday, only she cut off my very important white woman comment that was mere seconds after the initial call out. If you want to see the less redacted names because I'm here, I'm white, and what I say is imporant, the first post shows all these comments in a less redacted form.
I know it won't matter to people who have their mind made up about me, but I just didn't think it was fair to show my comment from yesterday (making it seem like I did nothing) and not this one as well. Because again, I'm white and what I say is very important.
I have also since apologized to TT for everything as I get that while don't respond to that type of forced engagement, her intentions were right in spite of being not white enough... or enough about me.
Do you not see that the fact you don't have anything else to add is a huge problem?
No it is. I agree. I didn't want to ignore the conversation but I'm struggling with what I can add right now. I don't want to state an empty promise but I have read the entire thread.
So not being a racist asshole or someone who harbors racist asshole is too hard of a promise?
No it is. I agree. I didn't want to ignore the conversation but I'm struggling with what I can add right now. I don't want to state an empty promise but I have read the entire thread.
So not being a racist asshole or someone who harbors racist asshole is too hard of a promise?
No I won't be either of that. I don't want to make this about me (lol) but I was just talking to my therapist about how all white people are racist. I think I struggled to understand this initially and have acknowledged as much. I will try not to be an ass too. Please check me if I break that in the future. I mean it.
I still have a shitload to read, but cville and litebright put what I've been try to sort in my brain. What's happened here is appalling. But as a white person, I feel like we need to stop backpatting ourselves when we're not involved in the fuckery. Unless you're TamiTaylor, who we can all learn from. And I don't even know her, but damn. Well done.
This make me kind of uncomfortable. I do not want my actions to be read as I was doing this for accolades (which is what some have grossly said) (not implying that you thought that) because I definitely wasn't. I just don't have to personality to not say what I'm thinking especially if I think something is damn wrong. I feel like I'm still learning too.
I get that. And what I mean and didn't say well is that you're walking the walk. You don't have to congratulate yourself, but as someone who is falling short, you're showing me ways I can do better. I appreciate that. And hopefully we'll both keep learning, growing, pushing, helping, changing.
So not being a racist asshole or someone who harbors racist asshole is too hard of a promise?
Girl, it's probably for the best she stays quiet. Maybe she's actually gained some sense after trying to flip the story, and lead the charge against me to make it appear like I was harassing, bullying, being reverse racist, being mean to, whatever, to our only male poster, whom a I refuse to tag (only because his wife may just kick my ass).
That hella unnecessary white girl Savior shit was ridiculous. It was and AB conversation that she inserted herself iinto, and refused to C her way out of without a fiery blazing entourage of glory. So, please let @notquiteblushing continue to sit down somewhere quietly.
True true. I'm amazed at the jobs that some people have because it doesn't seem to match their critical thinking skills and basic intellect.
Just b/c I can finally log on from a web browser and see things better. Here's another round of FUCK YOU to those who were caught red handed talking shit about TamiTaylor b/c she was standing up and pointing out how serious race discussions need to be taken on this board.
TamiTaylor, You are right, you never did anything to me and I am sorry I hurt you. In addition, I am sorry that my reticence was hurtful to others as well.
shit I forgot to tell you the same thing I told SJ. Don't want or need your fake ass apology. Fake as fuck. So you can fuck right off.
I don't know most of you but I adore many of the women here who post on CEP. They are probably some of my favorite posters and truly valuable members of this community who bring so much to the table and aren't just basic, interchangeable UMC white ladies like the vast majority that populate GBCN. Y'all should be rolling out the red carpet for these wonderful women, yet you aren't. Why do you suppose that is?
This whole thread on CEP is worth a read, but if any of you really want to reflect and examine yourselves and try to change and do better, I specifically suggest a post of mine on this page about UMC white mothers and why they act the way they do. It's not pretty. It's not something that you will want to see yourself in...but even if you won't admit it out loud or to anyone but yourself, I bet very many of you see truth in it.
I am still making my way through these posts (current one and the one you posted), but this is resonating with me, so thank you for posting it here.
In the chat I did say that TamiTaylor's post was coming off as "self congratulatory" to me initially and mentioned that if people were ignoring the obvious race threads (obvious being the ones named as such so you couldn't think it was a thread about cute kids), a call out would not really bring substantive responses, but more "I'm here"s.
However, it is obviously not my place to say what the "right" way to have substantive conversations is, and to be annoyed with someone who was trying to bring out conversation about hard topics because of the way she chose to do so was nothing short of being an ass.
I was being an ass? Well shit. At least I wasn't showing my ass. How dare I try to bring real issues to light. GAWD IM SUCH AN ASSHOLE. THANK YOU FOR MAKING ME CHECK MYSELF. Hey @kirkette, sorry I was such an asshole. I'm listening and learning.
Post by noodleskooze on Sept 9, 2016 17:13:59 GMT -5
It's freaking hilarious that IN THIS THREAD there are people promising to listen and learn and do better, yet IN THIS THREAD more than a few racists have been revealed since the OP.
Girl, it's probably for the best she stays quiet. Maybe she's actually gained some sense after trying to flip the story, and lead the charge against me to make it appear like I was harassing, bullying, being reverse racist, being mean to, whatever, to our only male poster, whom a I refuse to tag (only because his wife may just kick my ass).
That hella unnecessary white girl Savior shit was ridiculous. It was and AB conversation that she inserted herself iinto, and refused to C her way out of without a fiery blazing entourage of glory. So, please let @notquiteblushing continue to sit down somewhere quietly.
True true. I'm amazed at the jobs that some people have because it doesn't seem to match their critical thinking skills and basic intellect.
which scares me about her because she is a lawyer, right? Eee=esh
My friend was told this week as she dropped her infant off to daycare to have another quickly so they both have the same father.
Oh. My. God!!! Your poor friend!! Who says shit like this???!!!?!? Reading crap like this makes me glad I don't live in the US. Is it perfect where I am? Hell, no! But we don't have centuries of hatred and biases based on the colour of a significant proportion of our citizen's skin. And mothers don't in general worry if their sons will safe as they walk or drive home at night.
My friend was told this week as she dropped her infant off to daycare to have another quickly so they both have the same father.
Oh. My. God!!! Your poor friend!! Who says shit like this???!!!?!? Reading crap like this makes me glad I don't live in the US. Is it perfect where I am? Hell, no! But we don't have centuries of hatred and biases based on the colour of a significant proportion of our citizen's skin. And mothers don't in general worry if their sons will safe as they walk or drive home at night.
Yeah, I hear the UK is super friendly to Muslims and immigrants from the Middle East and Africa. Oh wait...
Oh. My. God!!! Your poor friend!! Who says shit like this???!!!?!? Reading crap like this makes me glad I don't live in the US. Is it perfect where I am? Hell, no! But we don't have centuries of hatred and biases based on the colour of a significant proportion of our citizen's skin. And mothers don't in general worry if their sons will safe as they walk or drive home at night.
How do you know? The U.K. certainly isn't all that friendly of a place for brown and black people.
Yep, I agree with that. It's not always friendly for non-English white folk either.
My friend was told this week as she dropped her infant off to daycare to have another quickly so they both have the same father.
Oh. My. God!!! Your poor friend!! Who says shit like this???!!!?!? Reading crap like this makes me glad I don't live in the US. Is it perfect where I am? Hell, no! But we don't have centuries of hatred and biases based on the colour of a significant proportion of our citizen's skin. And mothers don't in general worry if their sons will safe as they walk or drive home at night.
Oh. My. God!!! Your poor friend!! Who says shit like this???!!!?!? Reading crap like this makes me glad I don't live in the US. Is it perfect where I am? Hell, no! But we don't have centuries of hatred and biases based on the colour of a significant proportion of our citizen's skin. And mothers don't in general worry if their sons will safe as they walk or drive home at night.
Yeah, I hear the UK is super friendly to Muslims and immigrants from the Middle East and Africa. Oh wait...
Oh to be a fly on the wall to view all the hand wringing. I bet I'm getting called a fucking bitch too, lol.
I doubt there will be hand wringing! Or if there is, it wifi only be because of being found out, not what was done or said.
I'm so far behind on this thread. Only on page 10/35 due to work and living my life...
But when I opened this post this morning my jaw hit the table with shock and disgust. I'm so ashamed to be a white person because it might link me to "them". I've posted here less and less in the last year or two because the fluffy stuff just wasn't relevant to real life. As a result I've missed a lot of important threads and discussions. However, it doesn't take long on any single day to identify the "15 year old clique" that has been here for a long time. I wasn't in the cool gang in school and I sure as hell amn't here!!
TamiTaylor @kirkette @natariru I admire each of you immensely and wish you luck, happiness, peace and love for the future. I'm not sure I want to hang around here anymore...
Seriously, nobody needs your smugness in here about how you don't want to be linked to the RACIST white people.
Because, you're not a racist white person.
And there's no racism in the UK. Sorry, Ireland. Point remains.
Oh, and also, your outrage over a "friend" whose husband just came out and is struggling, while you're spreading gossip.
BUT I think the broader point remains....that white people aren't really in a position to assess how POC feel in any given county. Unless your country has zero people of color, which would be a different issue.
ETA : and white people probably aren't the best judges of whether or not racism exists, or if something is racist, as evidenced by this thread.
My friend was told this week as she dropped her infant off to daycare to have another quickly so they both have the same father.
Oh. My. God!!! Your poor friend!! Who says shit like this???!!!?!? Reading crap like this makes me glad I don't live in the US. Is it perfect where I am? Hell, no! But we don't have centuries of hatred and biases based on the colour of a significant proportion of our citizen's skin. And mothers don't in general worry if their sons will safe as they walk or drive home at night.
Europe has racism. See burkas being banned. Or nations destroying entire continents. Again, smug ass privilege here. Are youfucking kiddi ng with this bullshit??
My friend was told this week as she dropped her infant off to daycare to have another quickly so they both have the same father.
Oh. My. God!!! Your poor friend!! Who says shit like this???!!!?!? Reading crap like this makes me glad I don't live in the US. Is it perfect where I am? Hell, no! But we don't have centuries of hatred and biases based on the colour of a significant proportion of our citizen's skin. And mothers don't in general worry if their sons will safe as they walk or drive home at night.
Just because you likely live in a tiny town that, through your eyes, has no issues does not mean that minorities haven't experienced hatred "where you are".