I think it's interesting that there is no 'if' statements today from any D's, like there were with Moore and R's. But Franken isn't offering to step down, much like Moore isn't offering to either, so there's that.
How many fantastic women have forgone their dreams of entering politics because of having to deal with men like this? Countless! I will say this every time we are asked to give some man a second chance. The world is full of too many great women waiting for their first chance. Bub bye Franken, et al.
If Schumer doesn’t come out against this and demand Franken’s resignation it’s going to kill any legitimacy to the ‘Moore doesn’t deserve to be in the Senate’ narrative going on in AL right now. Frankens seat is safely D if he resigns, Schumer needs to make that happen.
The fact that his seat is safe shouldn't even matter.
It doesn’t I just meant there is literally no downside to Schumer doing this.
Post by georgeglass on Nov 16, 2017 12:53:52 GMT -5
I'm fascinated to watch the congressional responses to this and to see if there is a group push for resignation because SO MANY OF THEM do/have done messy shit. I wonder if they're willing to set the precedent.
I'm fascinated to watch the congressional responses to this and to see if there is a group push for resignation because SO MANY OF THEM do/have done messy shit. I wonder if they're willing to set the precedent.
I imagine that 80% or more would need to resign. The rot goes deep, men have gotten away with this type of thing always.
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i will say, on some level, it is weirdly eye-opening to see all of these reports coming out and sometimes the tiniest part of them makes me realize, "oh yeah, that thing that always bothered me from back then? that wasn't okay. i wasn't crazy to think so. i can be angry. i didn't invite that. i am not to blame."
this cycle we're in is liberating and tortuous all in one.
hugs to all of you, i know so many of us are having a rough go this last month or so.
I have had this same experience. It is freeing, in a weird way, to realize that there's nothing wrong or damaged about me that invited this type of behavior. It is quite literally every woman, everywhere. That does not make me feel good, of course, but it's like I can take a deep breath and process it properly now.
I will say that there are very few men in this world that I’d be surprised to hear these types of allegations about. It is so ingrained in our societal fabric (for men and women) that I think almost every man is a bad guy to someone out there. I’m not sure what that means going forward (I’d love for women to just be in charge, but don’t think that’s realistic), but I am glad women are feeling more comfortable speaking out. And Franken should step down.
The fact that the senators are not calling for his resignation suggests that they are both tone deaf and interested in protecting other people in the party who have done much worse.
Al Franken has been given a golden opportunity here. We are in the middle of a moment. He can either weaken that moment by staying in his seat, or he can do the right thing, resign, and allow the momentum to build and for new standards to be set. If he is truly sorry, if he truly wants to be an ally to women, and if he truly wants to see justice done, he can show that right here, right now, by giving up his seat. So that when the next asshole gets outed, and the next one, and the next one, they can all be judged against this bar.
He needs to do it before the party realizes that mere ethics investigations are not enough. He needs to do it before an ethics investigation turns up anything else. He needs to do it before the GOP tries to re-occupy the moral high ground.
Post by W.T.Faulkner on Nov 16, 2017 13:08:54 GMT -5
Any time we even attempt to remotely excuse this type of behavior on the part of a Democrat, we lose credibility. Franken needs to resign the same way that Moore needs to drop out.
The fact that the senators are not calling for his resignation suggests that they are both tone deaf and interested in protecting other people in the party who have done much worse.
Al Franken has been given a golden opportunity here. We are in the middle of a moment. He can either weaken that moment by staying in his seat, or he can do the right thing, resign, and allow the momentum to build and for new standards to be set. If he is truly sorry, if he truly wants to be an ally to women, and if he truly wants to see justice done, he can show that right here, right now, by giving up his seat. So that when the next asshole gets outed, and the next one, and the next one, they can all be judged against this bar.
He needs to do it before the party realizes that mere ethics investigations are not enough. He needs to do it before an ethics investigation turns up anything else. He needs to do it before the GOP tries to re-occupy the moral high ground.
Could you move to Minnesota so Dayton can appoint you to Franken's I-hope-soon-to-be-vacant senate seat? Please and thank you.
I'll buy you a winter coat and boots as a welcome gift.
Ya know, if he'd resign in his statement, I'd pay attention to his apology and statement about "making it up" to women. Resignation is a great place to start in making those amends, Al.
eta because I didn't finish my thought: But because that statement doesn't include resignation, he can head on over to the bullshit department.
The fact that the senators are not calling for his resignation suggests that they are both tone deaf and interested in protecting other people in the party who have done much worse.
Al Franken has been given a golden opportunity here. We are in the middle of a moment. He can either weaken that moment by staying in his seat, or he can do the right thing, resign, and allow the momentum to build and for new standards to be set. If he is truly sorry, if he truly wants to be an ally to women, and if he truly wants to see justice done, he can show that right here, right now, by giving up his seat. So that when the next asshole gets outed, and the next one, and the next one, they can all be judged against this bar.
He needs to do it before the party realizes that mere ethics investigations are not enough. He needs to do it before an ethics investigation turns up anything else. He needs to do it before the GOP tries to re-occupy the moral high ground.
Could you move to Minnesota so Dayton can appoint you to Franken's I-hope-soon-to-be-vacant senate seat? Please and thank you.
I'll buy you a winter coat and boots as a welcome gift.
I think Franken will resign. It may not have been his first response, but I bet you either by the end of today or tomorrow he will submit his resignation.