As a start, would centralizing school funding help? State-level funding, distributed equally among schools?
It might, at least, help reduce the "good schools" coded language. And hopefully help reduce the disparity in school funding.
(yeah, it would probably be a nightmare to actually make happen, but I'm trying to think of proactive things...)
It might help some, but I live in a county where all the schools get equal funding. There is still a rich part of the county and a "poor" part (the poor part is not really poor, compared to a lot of the country). There are still the good schools (the white rich neighborhoods) and the bad schools (the diverse "poorer" areas) and test scores back up that assertion. Getting rid of standardized test scores as a measure of school quality would be a start. But even if you have equal public funding for the schools you are still going to get certain schools with PTA budgets of a million and other schools with a PTA budget of 3K.
I truly don't understand the argument for more integration and getting white people to leave their white bubbles. Um, no thanks? I'm perfectly fine knowing that there are "safe" havens for them that I can freely avoid. And we don't need you all up in our schools either. Just run us the money and we can educate our own. This is just silliness.
I truly don't understand the argument for more integration and getting white people to leave their white bubbles. Um, no thanks? I'm perfectly fine knowing that there are "safe" havens for them that I can freely avoid. And we don't need you all up in our schools either. Just run us the money and we can educate our own. This is just silliness.
Great and how about the rest of us who can't avoid them? Because I live in a rural ass area bumped right up against a fairly intergrated city that's nevertheless unequal as fuck
I swear, black people are like Charlie Brown and the football sometimes. There is no way in the world I would be clamoring for more interaction with white people. Like, how is the solution to white folks treating us like shit MORE WHITE FOLKS??? We know how this turns out. White people eat this idea up too, like they have some kind of aura that will just make everything better. Lol. It's like hug a black person on steroids. Besides, having the cops called on us for breathing and shit is nothing new. That's kind of why the cops are there to begin with.
I do appreciate the couple of posters who admitted the anti-blackness they were taught as non-black POC. The fake POC solidarity train is another thing that's going to burn black folks in the end. No other racial group is expected to just accept everyone and hope for the best except us. That's another white supremacy lie.
I truly don't understand the argument for more integration and getting white people to leave their white bubbles. Um, no thanks? I'm perfectly fine knowing that there are "safe" havens for them that I can freely avoid. And we don't need you all up in our schools either. Just run us the money and we can educate our own. This is just silliness.
I didn't always feel like this, but the older I get and the boldness of people I work with has changed that. I love the safe haven of my county, where the majority of white people are scared to live. I have relationships with white people, but I really can't see adding more to that group because I would always be waiting for them to say the wrong thing. And it is just fact that many, many black schools were better before mass integration. The teachers were black, they were more involved because they lived in the neighborhoods with their black students, they knew their parents, and black kids were being educated. Let me have my black safe haven. I have never felt afraid in my county.
I grew up being told how much more valuable I was. I was the petite, blonde haired and green eyed cheerleader. If I wasn’t careful, I’d be abducted and raped and murdered and left to rot in the woods. It was not so vaguely suggested that white men didn’t do those things - the black men did.
My siblings and I were sent to the small parochial school in our city because the “riffraff” of the 2 public high schools just “wasn’t for our kind of family”. My father was a deputy sheriff who only appreciated black skin when it was on a boy who could run with a football. Mainly, we needed to stick to the other white, Catholic kids we were being taught were the types of kids who would be successful. Those other kids at the public schools... they were all going to be druggies and live in the “bad parts” of the city, work at the grocery store and live on welfare with their manicured nails and new cellphones. They were lazy and dangerous. My family was doing ok, but they “worked” for it, in their eyes.
And the successful black people in our city? That was Affirmative Action, taking spots away from deserving white kids. Wasn’t it just so unfair that I wasn’t accepted to XYZ College, because they had a quota of black kids to accept before me? I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that I was wholly unqualified to attend that University and didn’t have the test scores when I applied. But having so many people say that... it was easier to believe I had been unfairly declined because of AA than it was because of my own parochial educated college prep merits.
It wasn’t until college when I was forced to address my inherent prejudice. I lived in a suite Sophomore year with a black girl, an Asian girl, a Native American girl, and 2 other white girls. We’d discussed race and how they felt judged and needed to be extra smart, extra safe, extra good. It really hit me when my NA roommate and I took a woman’s studies class and did our homework together. Our professor called her out, saying she had clearly been copying my homework. It got to our Associate Dean before we could convince them that while yes, we did our homework together, there was no copying. It hit me that as we continued to defend my roommate, it was never once suggested that I had copied off of her. It was very obvious as to why.
After college, I moved to Dorchester, a section of Boston that is primarily black/ Vietnamese/ Hispanic. My mother damn near lost her mind. “Do you know there are *whispers* black people there??!!” No shit, Sherlock. I didn’t have a problem living amongst minorities. I don’t assume that every minority man looks at me as though I am a piece of meat - I’m not special. But you’d have thought I was telling her I was walking into a war zone. She still thinks that black neighborhoods mean gangs and guns and violence and drugs. It’s one of the main reasons why we’re completely estranged now. Meanwhile, my lily white brother has PTSD from Iraq and won’t leave home without his glock. Christ, he won’t SIT in his home without his glock being within reach. The paranoia is real.
I don’t pretend to be an ally. I don’t think any black person would want me, nor would I ask that of them. But I also think it’s really rich to pigeonhole yourself into living in all white communities and then being flabbergasted about why you don’t have any black friends and lament how hard it is to meet people. (Folks here, and in my real life as well) its that type of community that fosters that idea that a black person showing up is a mistake - that there’s no way they could enjoy Starbucks or renting a nice AirBnB or sleeping in a dorm or walking to school or being on an airplane. That’s for the WHITE folks in the neighborhood.
To add to the bolded..white resentment to Affirmative Action is very strong. PP above says she didn't have the test scores and qualifications to attend the schools she applied to and I am sure that is the case in many situations. But, the reality is because of the quotas imposed by affirmative action, many white kids with grades and test scores above and beyond are denied admission in favor of black kids with lower scores and poorer grades. I understand white privilege plays a part but I can understand the resentment a white family (especially a lower income one) would feel when their child worked hard, overcame their own adversity, and achieved academic success only to be pushed aside for a less qualified student due to their lack of melanin. To me, this is just repeating the shameful mistakes of the past.
Post by cookiemdough on May 15, 2018 10:23:07 GMT -5
I don't know that anyone is clammoring for more interaction. I do know that I should be able to sit in Starbucks, grill out by the lake, go on the wine train (cause I like wine) without having the police called on me when I am living my life. Mostly I worry because I am raising my children in a predominantly black neighborhood going to predominantly black schools and I don't know how to adequately prepare them when they have to leave the bubble. I didn't grow up in this life so I had a wealth of experiences to prepare me for what it is like dealing with the constant microaggressions in my professional life and even still, my stress levels are through the roof over nonsense.
And honestly, I don't expect much to change. On a lighter note, I DO want to know what possesses someone to spend their entire afternoon on the phone with police because some people were grilling. I mean they had a choice to enjoy a walk and do 50 million other things, and instead they waste hours, police resources and end it all gasping for air in tears, because some people were grilling. How do people end up that way??
I swear, black people are like Charlie Brown and the football sometimes. There is no way in the world I would be clamoring for more interaction with white people. Like, how is the solution to white folks treating us like shit MORE WHITE FOLKS??? We know how this turns out. White people eat this idea up too, like they have some kind of aura that will just make everything better. Lol. It's like hug a black person on steroids. Besides, having the cops called on us for breathing and shit is nothing new. That's kind of why the cops are there to begin with.
I do appreciate the couple of posters who admitted the anti-blackness they were taught as non-black POC. The fake POC solidarity train is another thing that's going to burn black folks in the end. No other racial group is expected to just accept everyone and hope for the best except us. That's another white supremacy lie.
Well, some of these folks are the children of/are married to white people so there's that..
I'm certainly not requesting that anyone disown their family! I'm more addressing the white folks who are saying the solution is to infiltrate black spaces. My point is that if you've lived a life so unexamined until now, why are we assuming it's a benefit to black people (who we are purportedly trying to help) for you to move next door? I thought the narrative on this board was that you need to get your own folks and house in order. I just want to be left out of it, that's all. I can't read pages and pages of people talking about the racism in their family that goes back generations, and how they still hold anti-black biases as a liberal person in 2018 and come to any other conclusion.
Maybe my Charlie Brown analogy was off, because that's directed at black folks. It's also not directed at anyone on this board in particular, because I don't know y'all. But, I do know some of us who feel this way, and they always end up sad and bewildered at the end of the day. Trust, white people know exactly what they're doing. They're not scared...they're trying to scare us.
I swear, black people are like Charlie Brown and the football sometimes. There is no way in the world I would be clamoring for more interaction with white people. Like, how is the solution to white folks treating us like shit MORE WHITE FOLKS??? We know how this turns out. White people eat this idea up too, like they have some kind of aura that will just make everything better. Lol. It's like hug a black person on steroids. Besides, having the cops called on us for breathing and shit is nothing new. That's kind of why the cops are there to begin with.
I do appreciate the couple of posters who admitted the anti-blackness they were taught as non-black POC. The fake POC solidarity train is another thing that's going to burn black folks in the end. No other racial group is expected to just accept everyone and hope for the best except us. That's another white supremacy lie.
So, let me say I'm not clamoring for more interaction with white folks. What I'm asking for here is to be able to 1) acknowledge where this overreaction comes from and 2) hope like hell my black ass isn't carted off to jail for waiting for a business associate in Starbucks.
Generally, I like to know just what the hell makes people tick and then have some discussion on why these things exist. Trust, I've certainly had some instances where I said Fuck All Ya'll Asses in a group of white folks and bounced because I was tired of racist shit. But, I can't do that in every single space and have a Marcus Garvey colony set up.
The thing is that someone has to ask. And someone has to confront some biases. You can't ask people to do the work if they don't recognize what work needs to be done inwardly.
I swear, black people are like Charlie Brown and the football sometimes. There is no way in the world I would be clamoring for more interaction with white people. Like, how is the solution to white folks treating us like shit MORE WHITE FOLKS??? We know how this turns out. White people eat this idea up too, like they have some kind of aura that will just make everything better. Lol. It's like hug a black person on steroids. Besides, having the cops called on us for breathing and shit is nothing new. That's kind of why the cops are there to begin with.
I do appreciate the couple of posters who admitted the anti-blackness they were taught as non-black POC. The fake POC solidarity train is another thing that's going to burn black folks in the end. No other racial group is expected to just accept everyone and hope for the best except us. That's another white supremacy lie.
So, let me say I'm not clamoring for more interaction with white folks. What I'm asking for here is to be able to 1) acknowledge where this overreaction comes from and 2) hope like hell my black ass isn't carted off to jail for waiting for a business associate in Starbucks.
Generally, I like to know just what the hell makes people tick and then have some discussion on why these things exist. Trust, I've certainly had some instances where I said Fuck All Ya'll Asses in a group of white folks and bounced because I was tired of racist shit. But, I can't do that in every single space and have a Marcus Garvey colony set up.
The thing is that someone has to ask. And someone has to confront some biases. You can't ask people to do the work if they don't recognize what work needs to be done inwardly.
I get you on the last point for sure. You're doing the Lord's work up in here. I'm not mad at it either! :-)
I just honestly don't care about their inward work or musings or whatever. I don't think that's a bad thing, and I know you're not saying that. I just always feel like I need to throw that out there, because most of the black people I interact with don't care either. It's a very comfortable place for me to be, and I'm all about my own comfort. I also acknowledge that a majority white message board is probably not the time or place for me to share my viewpoint. I always have to remind myself that the little red X exists for a reason, and that this is not really my space.
We would rather spend time policing “others” for made up non reasons than examining our own demons that lurk in our houses, marriages, neighborhoods, churches, and schools. Why did you marry the well meaning not a racist but kinda racist white man? Why is your white son stockpiling guns? Why are you letting your white uncle spew racist lies at Thanksgiving? Why are you not pushing back in your white mom’s group when a white mom complains about the black man riding his bike through the white neighborhood? We, or those of us who proclaim to care (the “listening and learning” contingent) have a duty to stay in our white spaces and push back against the the trash that happens under our noses and clean our own houses. But that actually takes work and I refer back to my first sentence.
I grew up being told how much more valuable I was. I was the petite, blonde haired and green eyed cheerleader. If I wasn’t careful, I’d be abducted and raped and murdered and left to rot in the woods. It was not so vaguely suggested that white men didn’t do those things - the black men did.
My siblings and I were sent to the small parochial school in our city because the “riffraff” of the 2 public high schools just “wasn’t for our kind of family”. My father was a deputy sheriff who only appreciated black skin when it was on a boy who could run with a football. Mainly, we needed to stick to the other white, Catholic kids we were being taught were the types of kids who would be successful. Those other kids at the public schools... they were all going to be druggies and live in the “bad parts” of the city, work at the grocery store and live on welfare with their manicured nails and new cellphones. They were lazy and dangerous. My family was doing ok, but they “worked” for it, in their eyes.
And the successful black people in our city? That was Affirmative Action, taking spots away from deserving white kids. Wasn’t it just so unfair that I wasn’t accepted to XYZ College, because they had a quota of black kids to accept before me? I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that I was wholly unqualified to attend that University and didn’t have the test scores when I applied. But having so many people say that... it was easier to believe I had been unfairly declined because of AA than it was because of my own parochial educated college prep merits.
It wasn’t until college when I was forced to address my inherent prejudice. I lived in a suite Sophomore year with a black girl, an Asian girl, a Native American girl, and 2 other white girls. We’d discussed race and how they felt judged and needed to be extra smart, extra safe, extra good. It really hit me when my NA roommate and I took a woman’s studies class and did our homework together. Our professor called her out, saying she had clearly been copying my homework. It got to our Associate Dean before we could convince them that while yes, we did our homework together, there was no copying. It hit me that as we continued to defend my roommate, it was never once suggested that I had copied off of her. It was very obvious as to why.
After college, I moved to Dorchester, a section of Boston that is primarily black/ Vietnamese/ Hispanic. My mother damn near lost her mind. “Do you know there are *whispers* black people there??!!” No shit, Sherlock. I didn’t have a problem living amongst minorities. I don’t assume that every minority man looks at me as though I am a piece of meat - I’m not special. But you’d have thought I was telling her I was walking into a war zone. She still thinks that black neighborhoods mean gangs and guns and violence and drugs. It’s one of the main reasons why we’re completely estranged now. Meanwhile, my lily white brother has PTSD from Iraq and won’t leave home without his glock. Christ, he won’t SIT in his home without his glock being within reach. The paranoia is real.
I don’t pretend to be an ally. I don’t think any black person would want me, nor would I ask that of them. But I also think it’s really rich to pigeonhole yourself into living in all white communities and then being flabbergasted about why you don’t have any black friends and lament how hard it is to meet people. (Folks here, and in my real life as well) its that type of community that fosters that idea that a black person showing up is a mistake - that there’s no way they could enjoy Starbucks or renting a nice AirBnB or sleeping in a dorm or walking to school or being on an airplane. That’s for the WHITE folks in the neighborhood.
To add to the bolded..white resentment to Affirmative Action is very strong. PP above says she didn't have the test scores and qualifications to attend the schools she applied to and I am sure that is the case in many situations. But, the reality is because of the quotas imposed by affirmative action, many white kids with grades and test scores above and beyond are denied admission in favor of black kids with lower scores and poorer grades. I understand white privilege plays a part but I can understand the resentment a white family (especially a lower income one) would feel when their child worked hard, overcame their own adversity, and achieved academic success only to be pushed aside for a less qualified student due to their lack of melanin. To me, this is just repeating the shameful mistakes of the past.
Even your comment here displays a shocking lack of understanding of how affirmative action and college admissions diversity policies work. Quotas are not permitted. There are tons of rules in place that schools need to follow legally in order to make race and ethnicity a factor in admissions. As long as white people continue to perpetuate misinformation about how this process works (as you did in this comment) there will continue to be white resentment about the admission of students of color to college. Which is racist, and wrong, and ridiculous and misinformed. Don't come here with this nonsense as a way to justify white supremacy as being "understandable." It's not understandable, it's based on absolute myths and an entitlement mindset.
Post by imobviouslystaying on May 15, 2018 10:45:00 GMT -5
I have no choice but to exist in white spaces so imma need white folks to do some work and get it together.
And stop lying to themselves.
Most of the navel gazing up in here are straight lies of self delusion. And people are really good at pointing the finger at other white folks are the problem.
To add to the bolded..white resentment to Affirmative Action is very strong. PP above says she didn't have the test scores and qualifications to attend the schools she applied to and I am sure that is the case in many situations. But, the reality is because of the quotas imposed by affirmative action, many white kids with grades and test scores above and beyond are denied admission in favor of black kids with lower scores and poorer grades. I understand white privilege plays a part but I can understand the resentment a white family (especially a lower income one) would feel when their child worked hard, overcame their own adversity, and achieved academic success only to be pushed aside for a less qualified student due to their lack of melanin. To me, this is just repeating the shameful mistakes of the past.
Even your comment here displays a shocking lack of understanding of how affirmative action and college admissions diversity policies work. Quotas are not permitted. There are tons of rules in place that schools need to follow legally in order to make race and ethnicity a factor in admissions. As long as white people continue to perpetuate misinformation about how this process works (as you did in this comment) there will continue to be white resentment about the admission of students of color to college. Which is racist, and wrong, and ridiculous and misinformed. Don't come here with this nonsense as a way to justify white supremacy as being "understandable." It's not understandable, it's based on absolute myths and an entitlement mindset.
Whoa! I missed this quote. But this is why my husband is constantly asked “how did you get into there” by “well meaning white people” when they hear about his undergrad. :/
I grew up being told how much more valuable I was. I was the petite, blonde haired and green eyed cheerleader. If I wasn’t careful, I’d be abducted and raped and murdered and left to rot in the woods. It was not so vaguely suggested that white men didn’t do those things - the black men did.
My siblings and I were sent to the small parochial school in our city because the “riffraff” of the 2 public high schools just “wasn’t for our kind of family”. My father was a deputy sheriff who only appreciated black skin when it was on a boy who could run with a football. Mainly, we needed to stick to the other white, Catholic kids we were being taught were the types of kids who would be successful. Those other kids at the public schools... they were all going to be druggies and live in the “bad parts” of the city, work at the grocery store and live on welfare with their manicured nails and new cellphones. They were lazy and dangerous. My family was doing ok, but they “worked” for it, in their eyes.
And the successful black people in our city? That was Affirmative Action, taking spots away from deserving white kids. Wasn’t it just so unfair that I wasn’t accepted to XYZ College, because they had a quota of black kids to accept before me? I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that I was wholly unqualified to attend that University and didn’t have the test scores when I applied. But having so many people say that... it was easier to believe I had been unfairly declined because of AA than it was because of my own parochial educated college prep merits.
It wasn’t until college when I was forced to address my inherent prejudice. I lived in a suite Sophomore year with a black girl, an Asian girl, a Native American girl, and 2 other white girls. We’d discussed race and how they felt judged and needed to be extra smart, extra safe, extra good. It really hit me when my NA roommate and I took a woman’s studies class and did our homework together. Our professor called her out, saying she had clearly been copying my homework. It got to our Associate Dean before we could convince them that while yes, we did our homework together, there was no copying. It hit me that as we continued to defend my roommate, it was never once suggested that I had copied off of her. It was very obvious as to why.
After college, I moved to Dorchester, a section of Boston that is primarily black/ Vietnamese/ Hispanic. My mother damn near lost her mind. “Do you know there are *whispers* black people there??!!” No shit, Sherlock. I didn’t have a problem living amongst minorities. I don’t assume that every minority man looks at me as though I am a piece of meat - I’m not special. But you’d have thought I was telling her I was walking into a war zone. She still thinks that black neighborhoods mean gangs and guns and violence and drugs. It’s one of the main reasons why we’re completely estranged now. Meanwhile, my lily white brother has PTSD from Iraq and won’t leave home without his glock. Christ, he won’t SIT in his home without his glock being within reach. The paranoia is real.
I don’t pretend to be an ally. I don’t think any black person would want me, nor would I ask that of them. But I also think it’s really rich to pigeonhole yourself into living in all white communities and then being flabbergasted about why you don’t have any black friends and lament how hard it is to meet people. (Folks here, and in my real life as well) its that type of community that fosters that idea that a black person showing up is a mistake - that there’s no way they could enjoy Starbucks or renting a nice AirBnB or sleeping in a dorm or walking to school or being on an airplane. That’s for the WHITE folks in the neighborhood.
To add to the bolded..white resentment to Affirmative Action is very strong. PP above says she didn't have the test scores and qualifications to attend the schools she applied to and I am sure that is the case in many situations. But, the reality is because of the quotas imposed by affirmative action, many white kids with grades and test scores above and beyond are denied admission in favor of black kids with lower scores and poorer grades. I understand white privilege plays a part but I can understand the resentment a white family (especially a lower income one) would feel when their child worked hard, overcame their own adversity, and achieved academic success only to be pushed aside for a less qualified student due to their lack of melanin. To me, this is just repeating the shameful mistakes of the past.
I grew up being told how much more valuable I was. I was the petite, blonde haired and green eyed cheerleader. If I wasn’t careful, I’d be abducted and raped and murdered and left to rot in the woods. It was not so vaguely suggested that white men didn’t do those things - the black men did.
My siblings and I were sent to the small parochial school in our city because the “riffraff” of the 2 public high schools just “wasn’t for our kind of family”. My father was a deputy sheriff who only appreciated black skin when it was on a boy who could run with a football. Mainly, we needed to stick to the other white, Catholic kids we were being taught were the types of kids who would be successful. Those other kids at the public schools... they were all going to be druggies and live in the “bad parts” of the city, work at the grocery store and live on welfare with their manicured nails and new cellphones. They were lazy and dangerous. My family was doing ok, but they “worked” for it, in their eyes.
And the successful black people in our city? That was Affirmative Action, taking spots away from deserving white kids. Wasn’t it just so unfair that I wasn’t accepted to XYZ College, because they had a quota of black kids to accept before me? I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that I was wholly unqualified to attend that University and didn’t have the test scores when I applied. But having so many people say that... it was easier to believe I had been unfairly declined because of AA than it was because of my own parochial educated college prep merits.
It wasn’t until college when I was forced to address my inherent prejudice. I lived in a suite Sophomore year with a black girl, an Asian girl, a Native American girl, and 2 other white girls. We’d discussed race and how they felt judged and needed to be extra smart, extra safe, extra good. It really hit me when my NA roommate and I took a woman’s studies class and did our homework together. Our professor called her out, saying she had clearly been copying my homework. It got to our Associate Dean before we could convince them that while yes, we did our homework together, there was no copying. It hit me that as we continued to defend my roommate, it was never once suggested that I had copied off of her. It was very obvious as to why.
After college, I moved to Dorchester, a section of Boston that is primarily black/ Vietnamese/ Hispanic. My mother damn near lost her mind. “Do you know there are *whispers* black people there??!!” No shit, Sherlock. I didn’t have a problem living amongst minorities. I don’t assume that every minority man looks at me as though I am a piece of meat - I’m not special. But you’d have thought I was telling her I was walking into a war zone. She still thinks that black neighborhoods mean gangs and guns and violence and drugs. It’s one of the main reasons why we’re completely estranged now. Meanwhile, my lily white brother has PTSD from Iraq and won’t leave home without his glock. Christ, he won’t SIT in his home without his glock being within reach. The paranoia is real.
I don’t pretend to be an ally. I don’t think any black person would want me, nor would I ask that of them. But I also think it’s really rich to pigeonhole yourself into living in all white communities and then being flabbergasted about why you don’t have any black friends and lament how hard it is to meet people. (Folks here, and in my real life as well) its that type of community that fosters that idea that a black person showing up is a mistake - that there’s no way they could enjoy Starbucks or renting a nice AirBnB or sleeping in a dorm or walking to school or being on an airplane. That’s for the WHITE folks in the neighborhood.
To add to the bolded..white resentment to Affirmative Action is very strong. PP above says she didn't have the test scores and qualifications to attend the schools she applied to and I am sure that is the case in many situations. But, the reality is because of the quotas imposed by affirmative action, many white kids with grades and test scores above and beyond are denied admission in favor of black kids with lower scores and poorer grades. I understand white privilege plays a part but I can understand the resentment a white family (especially a lower income one) would feel when their child worked hard, overcame their own adversity, and achieved academic success only to be pushed aside for a less qualified student due to their lack of melanin. To me, this is just repeating the shameful mistakes of the past.
1. This is not how affirmative action works. 2. How in the world can any white person claim that their family / friend was passed over in favor of a less qualified person of color? How would they POSSIBLY know the academic qualifications of that person?
Even your comment here displays a shocking lack of understanding of how affirmative action and college admissions diversity policies work. Quotas are not permitted. There are tons of rules in place that schools need to follow legally in order to make race and ethnicity a factor in admissions. As long as white people continue to perpetuate misinformation about how this process works (as you did in this comment) there will continue to be white resentment about the admission of students of color to college. Which is racist, and wrong, and ridiculous and misinformed. Don't come here with this nonsense as a way to justify white supremacy as being "understandable." It's not understandable, it's based on absolute myths and an entitlement mindset.
Whoa! I missed this quote. But this is why my husband is constantly asked “how did you get into there” by “well meaning white people” when they hear about his undergrad. :/
So many white people seem to ASSume that POC didn't earn their spots, but were less qualified than their white peers. I'm too lazy to look for it, but I'm pretty sure there's a ton of data that shows exactly the opposite. Mediocre white teens get into college all.the.time. using unearned and unfair structural advantages and no one blinks an eye. Completely qualified students of color are questioned like they don't belong, have the cops called on them while studying late at night in their dorms (!!!!!!!) and we're just going to keep spreading misinformation about this?! This mindset is a problem and it's SO incredibly pervasive and never seems to get challenged as long as twits like Abigail Fisher are out there crying crocodile tears about how wronged they've been that they didn't get what they thought they deserved and were entitled to based on being white and mediocre.
To add to the bolded..white resentment to Affirmative Action is very strong. PP above says she didn't have the test scores and qualifications to attend the schools she applied to and I am sure that is the case in many situations. But, the reality is because of the quotas imposed by affirmative action, many white kids with grades and test scores above and beyond are denied admission in favor of black kids with lower scores and poorer grades. I understand white privilege plays a part but I can understand the resentment a white family (especially a lower income one) would feel when their child worked hard, overcame their own adversity, and achieved academic success only to be pushed aside for a less qualified student due to their lack of melanin. To me, this is just repeating the shameful mistakes of the past.
Even your comment here displays a shocking lack of understanding of how affirmative action and college admissions diversity policies work. Quotas are not permitted. There are tons of rules in place that schools need to follow legally in order to make race and ethnicity a factor in admissions. As long as white people continue to perpetuate misinformation about how this process works (as you did in this comment) there will continue to be white resentment about the admission of students of color to college. Which is racist, and wrong, and ridiculous and misinformed. Don't come here with this nonsense as a way to justify white supremacy as being "understandable." It's not understandable, it's based on absolute myths and an entitlement mindset.
LOL. Try reading my comments again. I am not shocked at your lack of understanding.
Even your comment here displays a shocking lack of understanding of how affirmative action and college admissions diversity policies work. Quotas are not permitted. There are tons of rules in place that schools need to follow legally in order to make race and ethnicity a factor in admissions. As long as white people continue to perpetuate misinformation about how this process works (as you did in this comment) there will continue to be white resentment about the admission of students of color to college. Which is racist, and wrong, and ridiculous and misinformed. Don't come here with this nonsense as a way to justify white supremacy as being "understandable." It's not understandable, it's based on absolute myths and an entitlement mindset.
LOL. Try reading my comments again. I am not shocked at your lack of understanding.
I'm not the one having trouble understanding things, here. Doubling down when you write something factually incorrect isn't usually welcome on this board.
To add to the bolded..white resentment to Affirmative Action is very strong. PP above says she didn't have the test scores and qualifications to attend the schools she applied to and I am sure that is the case in many situations. But, the reality is because of the quotas imposed by affirmative action, many white kids with grades and test scores above and beyond are denied admission in favor of black kids with lower scores and poorer grades. I understand white privilege plays a part but I can understand the resentment a white family (especially a lower income one) would feel when their child worked hard, overcame their own adversity, and achieved academic success only to be pushed aside for a less qualified student due to their lack of melanin. To me, this is just repeating the shameful mistakes of the past.
1. This is not how affirmative action works. 2. How in the world can any white person claim that their family / friend was passed over in favor of a less qualified person of color? How would they POSSIBLY know the academic qualifications of that person?
You are probably right. I went back to the Duke Ellington discussion on DCUM and now it has taken a turn that the kids were also at fault, they had to know what their parents were up to and how no college will touch them for being cheaters and the whole lot of them are “crooks” and they hope the feds look into the boundary scandal. This is just...illogical. People want the feds to look into whether parents paid tuition at one performing arts high school? Like who types that and thinks “omg I am so right”. Except people are agreeing.
I need to remember to stay away from there.
Nothing good ever comes out of DCUM. I also need to remind myself to stay out of there. The school boards are exhausting.
Even your comment here displays a shocking lack of understanding of how affirmative action and college admissions diversity policies work. Quotas are not permitted. There are tons of rules in place that schools need to follow legally in order to make race and ethnicity a factor in admissions. As long as white people continue to perpetuate misinformation about how this process works (as you did in this comment) there will continue to be white resentment about the admission of students of color to college. Which is racist, and wrong, and ridiculous and misinformed. Don't come here with this nonsense as a way to justify white supremacy as being "understandable." It's not understandable, it's based on absolute myths and an entitlement mindset.
A smart but poor white kid is likely getting in, it's the mediocre UMC white kids who aren't making it in though they are going to be alright anyway, you wouldn't know it though the way folks scream and holler about AA and college admissions.
Also, funny how in most of the US most of the colleges are predominantly filled with white people but it's alwayssss the minority of minorities who took their seat?
I'm sorry but this is most certainly not the case.
Even your comment here displays a shocking lack of understanding of how affirmative action and college admissions diversity policies work. Quotas are not permitted. There are tons of rules in place that schools need to follow legally in order to make race and ethnicity a factor in admissions. As long as white people continue to perpetuate misinformation about how this process works (as you did in this comment) there will continue to be white resentment about the admission of students of color to college. Which is racist, and wrong, and ridiculous and misinformed. Don't come here with this nonsense as a way to justify white supremacy as being "understandable." It's not understandable, it's based on absolute myths and an entitlement mindset.
LOL. Try reading my comments again. I am not shocked at your lack of understanding.
It's not her; it's you. Explain yourself if you feel like you've been misunderstood.
A smart but poor white kid is likely getting in, it's the mediocre UMC white kids who aren't making it in though they are going to be alright anyway, you wouldn't know it though the way folks scream and holler about AA and college admissions.
Also, funny how in most of the US most of the colleges are predominantly filled with white people but it's alwayssss the minority of minorities who took their seat?
I'm sorry but this is most certainly not the case.
1. This is not how affirmative action works. 2. How in the world can any white person claim that their family / friend was passed over in favor of a less qualified person of color? How would they POSSIBLY know the academic qualifications of that person?
I have been thinking about this all day. I was having trouble articulating my thoughts on it. These white women aren’t calling the police because they are scared, they are calling the police because they think that black people are most likely criminals. They don’t believe that systemic racism exists. They think black people are just more likely to engage in criminal activity. When push comes to shove, though, they blame it on their gut, or suspicious behavior because they can’t admit it has to do with racism, they just *know*
This is shy these white women make a point in calling the police, talk calming to the police and wait around for them to come. They are some vigilante justice crusaders saving their community from black crime.
Yes, but the question here again is WHY? To think that black folks are inherently criminal and then act upon that thought requires you to ask - "what have I been taught, heard, seen etc. to make this my first thought."
That's what I need white folks to confront. Because two men waiting for a business associate is no different and looks no different across all races. So, I need folks to dig and say - where did I first get that message.
Then, you've got to say - ok - how do I make sure I don't unconsciously continue that teaching.
This is actually something I'm struggling with as I don't have kids and I don't know that H and I will. Calling out the older generations is great, but it needs to really worked into our youth ... which I'm not contributing to. I can, will, and do impart my world view as much as possible into my nieces and nephews, but my ability to influence is pretty limited. (The oldest is 10 and most of them are not even elementary school age, and mostly we don't see them very often.)
It seems fairly obvious that white people are reacting to a fear of a power shift when a Black man became president.
Observed comments that support this: Since Obama was elected, Black people are walking around like they own the place
Obama is not the first Black President. He is half white. Why doesn’t he ever claim his whiteness since he is just as white as he is Black?
Race relations were fine until Obama started stirring things up with his rhetoric about continued injustices. He never should have injected himself in the Trayvon Martin and Ferguson issues.
White people feel threatened. We may not be in charge of manifesting our own destiny for much longer. What the fuck will we do when we are the minority?
Also a lie. This is and always has been standard behavior for white folks.
You were programmed not to say it for about 20 years but Trump is in office so you guys are opening your mouth again.
But you sure as hell didn't stop thinking it or acting on it.
I am not attributing it to trump, though he doesn’t help. Those comments about Obama and Black people were going on during President Obama’s presidency. I am sure you are right that white people already felt threatened but a bunch of people started showing their true colors when President Obama was elected. Implicit bias became very very explicit.
A smart but poor white kid is likely getting in, it's the mediocre UMC white kids who aren't making it in though they are going to be alright anyway, you wouldn't know it though the way folks scream and holler about AA and college admissions.
Also, funny how in most of the US most of the colleges are predominantly filled with white people but it's alwayssss the minority of minorities who took their seat?
I'm sorry but this is most certainly not the case.
So, are we trolling or are you going to actually add a lil something to the convo here? As the creator of this thread, I did not intend for it to be one of open hostility or trolling. It's one for dialogue.
Now, either you can have some stats or you can say "this is anecdotal because it happened to me."
But, I'm not interested in having this thread derailed with Foolishness.
Yes, but the question here again is WHY? To think that black folks are inherently criminal and then act upon that thought requires you to ask - "what have I been taught, heard, seen etc. to make this my first thought."
That's what I need white folks to confront. Because two men waiting for a business associate is no different and looks no different across all races. So, I need folks to dig and say - where did I first get that message.
Then, you've got to say - ok - how do I make sure I don't unconsciously continue that teaching.
This is actually something I'm struggling with as I don't have kids and I don't know that H and I will. Calling out the older generations is great, but it needs to really worked into our youth ... which I'm not contributing to. I can, will, and do impart my world view as much as possible into my nieces and nephews, but my ability to influence is pretty limited. (The oldest is 10 and most of them are not even elementary school age, and mostly we don't see them very often.)
I'm in a similar position. One small way I try to have some influence is in my gift-giving; for example, I'll give my nephews and nieces books that feature non-white protagonists.